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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old November 4th, 2000, 20:02
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Jupiler Liga - Eredivisie | Time for a BeNeLiga ?

I've thought about a one problem recently. Why so many good Belgian players go to Holland, to weaker clubs? A good example here is Stefaan Tanghe, who left Excelsior Mouscron and went to FC Utrecht, which isn't as good as Mouscron in my opinion. Is the financial condition of Belgian club so bad, that a generally worse Dutch teams can offer Belgian players much better contract terms?

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post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old November 4th, 2000, 20:11
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I think their are 2 big reasons for that problem:

1) Yes, the financial situation of Dutch teams is way better than those of the Belgian clubs. Therefore you see that the better players choose average Dutch teams. A lot of players choose fast money instead of a well balanced and built carreer whioch would bring in more in the long run.

2) On the other hand mostely young players choose to go to Holland. Soetaers, Van de Paar, De Witte, Caluwé... These are the biggest talents Belgium has, but still they didn't get a real chance in the Jupiler League. In Holland youngsters get a chance even if they are better than the experienced stars. In Belgium we rather buy third-rated foreignors instead of gioving our own youth a fair chance.
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post #3 of 14 (permalink) Old November 5th, 2000, 00:10
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Generally I know that financial status of the Dutch clubs is better that Belgian ones. But let's think about, why it is so? Belgium and Holland are similar countries, also when we are comparing the economic situation. So why do the Dutch clubs have more money?

I agree absolutely with you, that there are too many foreigners in the Jupiler Ligue. But why the situation should be better if there are no foreigners restrictions in Belgium? And why doesn't URBSFA/KBVB make such restrictions?

Particurarly interesting is now the situation with Anderlecht and Roda JC Kerkrade. 3 players have moved from RSCA to Roda recently and all of them were substitutes only in Brussels: Anastasiou, Sonko and Soetaers. Will Roda JC be a "branch-club" for RSCA?

 
post #4 of 14 (permalink) Old November 5th, 2000, 10:51
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Good question PolBelg !

I think Dutch boards are much smarter and professional then ours. We aren't as broad-minded as the Dutch ones..

Few years ago there was a study about people and football in Europe and Belgian football attracts a lot of people so that's a fact.
But have you seen the difference between our accomodations and the ones in Holland ? They are years ahead of us ..
Also in merchandising for example the Belgian teams are nowhere. In Holland teams think more about the future and have a clear idea about that, in Belgium most of the teams live from year to year. In Holland a lot of money they get are from TV-rights, sponsors, .. Much more then we get here.

Most teams in Belgium are just there to survive and at the end of the season they have to sell their best players to clear the debts ? There is something wrong if you have to do that every year...

I totally agree with you about the fact we have too many foreigners ! I think we should have a rule about that here too !
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Unfortunately such rules aren't allowed due to European laws.

Personally I don't think such rules are needed. We just have to change that stupid mentallity. There is absolutely no logic in lineing up a third-rate foreignor if you have a decent youngster of your own. Sure he will make mistakes, but so will that foreignor ('cause he isn't talented) and your youngster will improve.
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I On the other hand mostely young players choose to go to Holland. Soetaers, Van de Paar, De Witte, Caluwé... These are the biggest talents Belgium has, but still they didn't get a real chance in the Jupiler League.
Was reading this by coincidence ...


Funny if you see what happened to these "talents"

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Not completely related to the topic, but have Standard definitely has to be the strongest side in Benelux at the moment. This when Ajax Feyenoord, PSV, Anderlecht and Club Brugge probably have more fans. Certainly not bad going by them. Will be interesting to see whether they'll be able to keep it up after next summer when folks like Defour or Witsel will be leaving


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The difference?

In Holland they have stadiums, fans and decent football players

So not that big

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There will be no combined Dutch-Belgian league. This was unveiled by Henk Kesler, Director of Professional Football at the Dutch FA.

UEFA President Michel Platini recently promoted the idea of combining the two leagues, and was later supported by Dutch FA Chairman Michael van Praag.

But in an interview with Dutch newspaper Telegraaf, Kesler ended all speculations: "The decision was made after talking to the clubs, who are not at all interested in the idea," he said.

"That Platini and Van Praag wanted to investigate the possibilities, doesn't matter. They're not in charge. We and the clubs are, and this league won't happen."
So, what are the opinions in here about a BeNe-Liga ?

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Against, as a fan

Besides, Belgium and Holland have completely different football cultures. I really don't think we'd match well together

Not even talking about our shameful accommodations ...

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These talks are absurd and waste of time simply because of the fact that it is against UEFA rules. A rule clearly says every league must have its own national team and vice versa, with Liechtenstein being the only UEFA member granted an exception. Wales even created its own league solely for the purpose of not losing its independent national team. So if you merge leagues, you must merge national teams by UEFA rule. And nobody in Belgium or Netherlands will want a merged national team. Simple consequence is that a BeNe liga is impossible.

I am surprised Platini isnt aware of this, or isnt aware of the mess he creates if he allows a single consequence. Because if he does, other countries will also look to merge leagues to strengthen their leagues. Next would be a Scandinavian league, a combined league for Switzerland and Austria would be possible, a Baltic league, a new Czechoslowakian league, ... Before you know you are in total chaos when you grant one exception, because others will use this exception as a precedent.

Besides, apart from the fans of less than 10 clubs in the entire Benelux, NOBODY is benefitting from a BeNe Liga. It would only make things even more elitist than they are now, and like Blue Angel says it is merging two different football cultures. The whole idea is ridiculous and unrealistic from A to Z. If Belgian clubs want to mean something in Europe again reforms or merging leagues are no solution, tackling the issue from the youth education on is the solution. With the exception of a handful of clubs (the youth education program of FC Bruges comes into mind) Belgian clubs dont invest in youth centers like it is done in Holland and France. Hence why Dutch and French clubs are more succesful and with more local key players in the top teams. This is what must change in Belgium, reforms and merging leagues is trying to cure a symptom instead of curing the actual disease.
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Even if we has a similar level of accomodations, etc ...

Personally: Anderlecht - Mechelen or Anderlecht - Lierse says me so much more then Anderlecht - Utrecht for example, or Anderlecht - Heerenveen.

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Besides, Belgium and Holland have completely different football cultures. I really don't think we'd match well together
In which way do you mean?
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I think a mixed league won't be a option in the future although Platini was given the question about such a fusion recently and he said he kept the door open for such a idea. If you think about it; teams like Anderlecht, Club Brugge and Standard are welcomed additions to the Eredivisie and to my opinion better opponents than teams like FC Volendam/De Graafschap which would naturally result in a better league. But again, it won't happen because the Dutch and Belgians aren't that interested in it anyway.

Maybe they could create instead a new cup tournament first, the Benelux Cup where Dutch and Belgian teams all participate. It would be a nice test to see if those matches interest crowds and what the outcome of such a tournament would be. Would the Dutch teams dominate or aren't the Belgian teams not that bad in comparison at all.

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