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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old June 22nd, 2008, 13:41 Thread Starter
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One thing I can't understand is big nations like Netherlands and Italy hiring totally inexperienced coaches for such big tourneys. Coaching plays a big part in football and I can't believe these nations would not go for the best (proven).

In Netherlands case, you have Van Basten who wanted to play a certain system but then his players made him change the system back to the original. What kind of coach is that? He doesn't have the ability to communicate why his system is better? That's a sign of a bad coach.

Then you have Donadoni, who made what, 5 or 6 changes, after the opening loss where Italy looked horrible. I don't think I've ever seen that before and there is a reason for that. It seems he is just testing different things, trying to light a fire, but he has no real knowledge. Basically guessing..trying different things to see if they work.

Last night watching Russia beat Netherlands confirmed this. In the end, a good coach (Hiddink) was able to make Russia execute, both offensively and defensively, at a very high level. They beat Netherlands in their own game. While Netherlands, with all that skill, was not able to transition well, they had poor execution, and there was a lack of support. That is all coaching.
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post #2 of 15 (permalink) Old June 22nd, 2008, 13:45
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One of the problems is a lack of good coaches that are available.
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I think coaching a national team is a real pain in the ass. You have 1 big tournament every 2 years and the qualification is usually a breeze for the big teams (Please dont mention England or ill smack you p). So you prep 2 years for this tournament and if you fail you are a bad coach or if you go far you are a master tactician. Plus you get very limited time with the players and although the core is the same the squad always changes. It is much harded to be a national team coach in my opinion so not many are willing to take the job. Especially in Italy's case as they were world champions so the pressure was huge.

BTW if Italy lose today I have great fear that Donadoni will go and will be replaced by....... Mancini
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BTW if Italy lose today I have great fear that Donadoni will go and will be replaced by....... Mancini
Maybe Lippi. Be optimistic...
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BTW if Italy lose today I have great fear that Donadoni will go and will be replaced by....... Mancini
Please god no, never thought of that scenario
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post #6 of 15 (permalink) Old June 22nd, 2008, 14:22
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Every coach starts off unexperienced at some point... Mourinho had only a couple of years experience with first team coaching and never coached any big club before he took over at Porto. Two seasons later he had won two European trophies and became a hot topic in the whole of Europe.

There's more examples of young coaches who immediately reach for the highest. Experience obviously helps but it is no guarantee for success.

van Basten is heavily criticised by many Dutch fans anyway, lot of them hate him for mainly the poor football during the qualifiers, but meanwhile he did get some good results and may even have proven his critics wrong. So I am not sure if you consider him a failure, would an experienced coach really have gotten more out of the team?
Bilic is another example, still very young but didn't Croatia get fantastic results with him in charge? They were very unlucky against Turkey but meanwhile had beaten England twice, won against Germany, ...
Mourinho was only 39 or 40 when he already won everything he could possibly win with Porto...
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I don't think a coach needs experience, but the things these guys have done, make it easy to question if they know what they are doing. In Bilic's case, its hard to question. He seems to know his stuff. But overall, its a much bigger risk.

It just seems too, these guys got the job based on their playing career. But as we all know..being a good player does not make you a good coach.
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post #9 of 15 (permalink) Old June 23rd, 2008, 08:14
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Hey Bilic is 39 and he's the best coach we have ever had!
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post #10 of 15 (permalink) Old June 24th, 2008, 06:30
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Well, van Basten was the Dutch coach since '04. So this was his second major tournament. Although when he was first hired, his only experience was with the Ajax B team. Hard to blame them for sticking with him through Euro '08, but he might not have been the greatest initial hire in '04.

However, I would agree with Donadoni. Probably has no business being the Italian NT coach.
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To be a successful coach you need a vision of what success is, a good philosophy, great communication & motivation skills, a sense of humour, and respect. I would say humilty, but i don't see any coaches with that in the top level, maybe Ancelotti.

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Hey Bilic is 39 and he's the best coach we have ever had!
I was just about to mention him. There are positives of a young coach as well. He is very very motivated and can translate that to his players and there are coaches who are tactically gifted at a young age too.
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post #13 of 15 (permalink) Old June 25th, 2008, 14:08 Thread Starter
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This is about rookie coaches, not young coaches. (guys that lack good club experience..for whatever reason) As mentioned, I do think Bilic is a good coach, but then again Croatia doesn't' exactly have a lot of choices. Italy, Netherlands, and some of these top nations do have more choice.
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post #14 of 15 (permalink) Old June 25th, 2008, 14:25
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there's a lack of good coaches in our country right now. Hiddink, Beenhakker, Rijkaard and Van Gaal all have been national coach in the past and they won't go for it again. Cruijff won't do it because of health reasons. Van Basten was chosen because he's a huge name and there was nobody else left. now Van Marwijk will be the coach who's won the UEFA Cup once. not really an impressive coach but there just aren't any other options. Stevens, Jol, Verbeek and Rutten are future candidates.

Van Basten only trained a youth team for a year and it showed in his reign as national coach. he didn't have the experience to make it work. only when the players asked for a tactic change things started to go well.... only to get defeated by Russia with a smart coach who knew exactly how to stop that tactic.
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Basically cos our FA doesn't want to stump up the cash. I'm sure Hiddink would come back were we to offer 3 million a year so what our head of FA does is phone up Cruyff and ask for which one of his young disciples he thinks is best at taking over hence Rijkaard and van Basten.


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