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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old June 9th, 2008, 07:19 Thread Starter
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Dutch press the self destruct button again?

Well we know the Dutch have a habit of doing this during/before tournaments.


Arsenal's Robin van Persie and Real Madrid star Wesley Sneijder clashed in training ahead of the Netherlands' Euro 2008 game with Italy. (Daily Mirror) (as well as other foreign media)
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Aren't they both out injured? What the hell they doing in training?
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nothing about it in the Dutch media

A case of the Daily Mirror trying to make us look like a bunch of lunatics and yes, there might have been trouble in the Dutch camp in the past but it doesn't happen every single time.


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it just shows they have spirit

and they need training beat-ups before they face Materazzi

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During GolTV's previews of the tournament on Friday, they mentioned how many players in the Dutch camp don't get along with one another. Problems galore, many egos.

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The Dutch do create unnecessary problems for them. Every major tournament there's something.

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During GolTV's previews of the tournament on Friday, they mentioned how many players in the Dutch camp don't get along with one another. Problems galore, many egos.
Names please.

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The Dutch do create unnecessary problems for them. Every major tournament there's something.
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like the offside call.

it's such an un-necessary problem they created last night. the way they were playing they would've routed Italy anyways p

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Please elaborate.

There's either a conflict between players, between the coach and the players, between current and former coaches or coach/players and the media.

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AKAIK, racisim was a huge problem that affected Holland's performance, especialy in WC 1990;
We've had all sort of incidents but I don't recall a racism problem. We had the "kabel-issue" in 96 but that was a problem between groups. One of which consisted of dark players (de kabel), but it nothing to do with racism. Could've been between young players and old players just the same.

In 1990 we had the problem with the coach. The players wanted Cruijff but they got Beenhakker. I don't see how that had anything to do with racism.

In 1992 there were no problems afaik. Except that our most experienced penalty taker missed the decisive penalty in the semi's.
In 1994 we had the problem with Gullit leaving the team just before they went to the US.
In 1996 we had the problem with the coach putting his head in other player's asses (and being eliminated by penalties in the quarter's).
In 1998 we didn't have any problems, except for being eliminated by penalties again in the semi's.
In 2000 we missed about a dozen penalties in the semi's again. And of course the criticism about Rijkaard being an too inexperienced coach.
In 2002 we forgot to qualify for the wc.
In 2004 we had a coach who subbed his best player.
In 2006 we had some problems between van Basten and van Nistelrooy and again the criticism of van Basten being too inexperienced.
In 2008 we had the problems before the tournament with van Bommel and Seedorf refusing to play for van Basten. But we forgot all about that after the first match...p

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We've had all sort of incidents but I don't recall a racism problem. We had the "kabel-issue" in 96 but that was a problem between groups. One of which consisted of dark players (de kabel), but it nothing to do with racism. Could've been between young players and old players just the same.

In 1990 we had the problem with the coach. The players wanted Cruijff but they got Beenhakker. I don't see how that had anything to do with racism.
As I recall; Ruud Gullit and Frank Rijkaard had some serious problems with the coach (I forgot his name). They accused him of being racist. Media reported that Gullit himself assumed the role of coach for Holand's last game in qualification.

The FA appointed Beenhakker because the coach lost his athority.

That's what has been reported back then.

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I don't buy this self destruct crap. Van der Vaart jumped on Van Basten after Van Persie's goal. Robben, Van Persie and Sneijder all hugged. Ruud got props from Robben.

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Is it not just the media looking for reasons why hugely talented Dutch squads just don't win anything? That racism thing seems like media nonsense, looking for a tasty angle to sell copy. "There's some white guys, and some black guys, let's make a story".

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That's not a self destruct button, that's a nuke button lol

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So, who has self destructed so far? 3-0, 4-1.... 1988 -- 2008 -- 20 years, its our time
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So, who has self destructed so far? 3-0, 4-1.... 1988 -- 2008 -- 20 years, its our time
Number 8 That's what I was thinking about yesterday. Too bad there were no Euro in 1998!

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