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Group B: Team info exchange

Since the draw was made last week I've naturally become very interested in the make-up of Croatia's opponents in Euro 2008. I'm particularly interested in Austria and Poland as the average fan doesn't get to see these teams too often as they don't get anywhere near as much media coverage as the supposed powerhouses of Europe. I'm pretty certain we all know the German team very well but fans of that team are also welcome to contribute in this thread.

I'll get the ball rolling with some info on the Croatian team. I hope Austrian and Polish fans join in and give us an oppotunity to properly follow the progress of their players over the next 6 months.

IDEAL LINE-UP AND FORMATION

Pletikosa
Ćorluka-Šimić-R.Kovač-Šimunić
N.Kovač
Srna-Modrić-Kranjčar
Eduardo-Petrić

Stipe Pletikosa (8/1/79, 193cm) Spartak Moscow
Vedran Ćorluka (5/2/86, 191cm) Manchester City
Dario Šimić (12/11/75, 179cm) AC Milan
Robert Kovač (6/4/74, 182cm) Borussia Dortmund
Josip Šimunić (18/2/78, 195cm) Hertha Berlin
Niko Kovač (15/10/71, 176cm) Red Bull Salzburg
Darijo Srna (1/5/82, 182cm) Shakhtar Donetsk
Luka Modrić (9/9/85, 173cm) Dinamo Zagreb
Niko Kranjčar (13/8/84, 185cm) Portsmouth
Eduardo da Silva (25/2/83, 177cm) Arsenal
Mladen Petrić (1/1/81, 183cm) Borussia Dortmund


REPLACEMENTS

Goalkeepers
Vedran Runje (9/2/76, 184cm) Lens
Mario Galinović (15/11/76, 195cm) Panathinaikos

Runje is the undisputed no.2 and is the only other GK to have played a part in the qualifiers. A lot fans don't have faith in him so expect a lot of nervous Croatian fans should Runje find himself in goal come Euro 2008.

Defenders
Dario Knežević (20/4/82, 184cm) Livorno
Hrvoje Vejić (8/6/77, 191cm) Tom Tomsk
Dino Drpić (26/5/81, 188cm) Dinamo Zagreb
Marko Babić (28/1/81, 186cm) Real Betis
Igor Tudor (16/4/78, 192cm) Hajduk Split

Knežević is the logical replacement for one of the centrebacks in case of injury even though he only played one game in qualifying. Igor Tudor has spent the last year recovering from serious injury and is a long way from the NT. However, he may become an option if a crisis arises providing he is fit and healthy. The chances are slim but still there.
Vejić and Drpić are purely there for cover.

There are no natural replacements for the fullbacks so Babić (usually a left-sided midfielder) has played some games at LB in the qualifiers. Should anything happen to current RB, Ćorluka, Croatia would be forced to play someone totally out of position or put Darijo Srna there (he plays there for his club).

Midfielders
Jerko Leko (9/4/80, 187cm) Monaco
Danijel Pranjić (2/12/81, 172cm) Heerenveen
Ivan Rakitić (10/3/88, 184cm) Schalke
Ognjen Vukojević (20/12/83, 183cm) Dinamo Zagreb
Jurica Vranješ (31/1/80, 186cm) Werder Bremen

Leko and Vranješ are fighting for the role as successor to N.Kovač as the next defensive midfielder. Leko was the man in the qualifiers, coming on as a sub in a lot of games, starting in a couple and even playing on the right wing in emergencies (ie injury to Srna). Vukojević came onto the scene late and even made a sub appearance late in the campaign but the more experienced guys still have the advantage over him.

Pranjić didn't play too big a role in the campaign but seems to have become the no.2 for the wide left role. I suspect we'll see a lot of him in the tournament coming on as a sub for Kranjčar. Rakitić also didn't play a big part in qualifying but will definitely also get minutes in the tournament. He can play on either side of midfield, just behind the strikers or even as the second attacker himself. His versatility alone makes him a valuable member of the team even though he's still only 19 years old.

Forwards
Boško Balaban (15/10/78, 180cm) Dinamo Zagreb
Igor Budan (22/4/80, 185cm) Parma
Nikola Kalinić (5/1/88, 187cm) Hajduk Split
Mario Mandžukić (21/5/86, 187cm) Dinamo Zagreb
Ivica Olić (14/9/79, 182cm) Hamburg SV
Ivan Klasnić (29/1/80, 186cm) Werder Bremen

At the moment the obvious 3rd choice attacker is Olić who has been in form for both club and country over the past few months. However, the mantle of 3rd choice striker was held by Budan before his injury and even by Balaban earlier in the year. Personally, I believe it will be Olić who the coach will opt for off the bench mainly because of his pace and work-rate even though Budan was praised greatly for his target man play earlier in the campaign. The emergence of homebased youngsters like Kalinić and Mandžukić might mean Balaban misses out on the squad altogether, even if only one of the youngsters makes the final squad.

The wildcard here is Klasnić who has only recently returned from serious illness. He will really have to start scoring goals to come into consideration as just before his health problems began he lost his spot in the XI to Petrić.

Team Captain: Niko Kovač
Other Influential players: Robert Kovač, Dario Šimić, Stipe Pletikosa
Hotheads: Josip Šimunić, Darijo Srna
Team Engines: Niko Kovač, Darijo Srna, Luka Modrić, Mladen Petrić
FK Specialist: Darijo Srna
Other FK/CK Takers: Niko Kranjčar, Mladen Petrić, Ivan Rakitić, Luka Modrić
Playmakers: Luka Modrić, Niko Kranjčar
Penalty Taker: ? (was Darijo Srna)
Deadly Finishers: Eduardo
Long Range Threats: Niko Kranjčar, Mladen Petrić, Ivan Rakitić
Aerial Dangers: Josip Šimunić, Igor Budan, Mladen Petrić
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great post. Hopefully the other teams' fans do the same, not just for group b, but for all groups.

I would have liked to see some info on the starting players, like you provided for the replacements.
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great post. Hopefully the other teams' fans do the same, not just for group b, but for all groups.

I would have liked to see some info on the starting players, like you provided for the replacements.
From a previous post on the Israel Forum (before our match v Israel). Some of the info is a little outdated but it should generally be alright.

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1.Stipe PLETIKOSA, 28, 193cm, Spartak Moscow
Our No.1 GK, he didn't play in Tel Aviv. He has conceded only one goal in these qualifiers (v MKD). He is solid although some people consider him insecure and prone to errors.

5.Vedran ĆORLUKA, 21, 191cm, Manchester City
Right back. In Zagreb expect him to push forward a lot and play like a second winger at times.

3.Josip ŠIMUNIĆ, 29, 195cm, Hertha Berlin
Left back. Never likes to waste possession and is always looking to play the ball out of trouble. Can cause a lot of nervous moments for fans but is always full of confidence. Dangerous at corners and set pieces.

2.Dario ŠIMIĆ, 31, 179cm, AC Milan
Centre back. Rarely plays for his club AC Milan and hasn't recently been on form with the NT. Usually a tight man-marker who gives very little away.

4.Robert KOVAČ, 33, 182cm, Borussia Dortmund
Centre back. The key to Croatia's defensive organisation. He's currently in the biggest form slump of his club career and has shown patchy form in the NT. Usually reliable in big games and he will be crucial again.

16.Jerko LEKO, 27, 187cm, Monaco
Central midfielder. Responsible for the defensive duties behind three attack-minded midfielders. Will look to close down the space for guys like Benayoun. Usually picks up a yellow card so will have to be careful early.

14.Luka MODRIĆ, 22, 173cm, Dinamo Zagreb
Central midfielder. The motor of the Croatian NT. He covers a lot of ground; equally as dangerous in open spaces running at defenders or in small, confined areas. He loves to control the tempo of the game. Shutting him down will go a long way to taking this game from Croatia.

11.Darijo SRNA, 25, 182cm, Shakhtar Dontesk
Right winger. Free-kick specialist who plays the game at 100m/ph. Plays exclusively down the right flank and will almost always use his right foot. He has excellent delivery into the penalty area and has developed a very good passing game. Tends to dive too much which earns the ire of opposition fans.

19.Niko KRANJČAR, 23, 184cm, Portsmouth
Left winger. His natural position is central midfield and he tends to do his best work cutting into the middle. Excellent technique and great vision means he is always dangerous with the ball at his feet. Not as mobile as the other midfielders which can be exploited.

21.Mladen PETRIĆ, 26, 183cm, Borussia Dortmund
Striker. A tireless worker who occasionally drops into midfield. Will often look to work the ball onto his left foot for a shot or a lay-off. Although not the tallest of players, he is dangerous in the air.

22.Eduardo DA SILVA, 24, 177cm, Arsenal
Striker. A natural goalscorer. Can often go unnoticed for long periods and pop up with the winning goal. Apart from that he has excellent technique and is very sharp around goal; a true predator. Has 9 goals in 9 games in these qualifiers.

Other possible starters/substitutes:

8.Marko BABIĆ, 26, 186cm, Real Betis
Left back/Left winger. When he starts it is usually at left back. He is also used as a substitute on the left wing. A solid player with sound technique and good physical qualities. Has lost his starting XI place at the start of this campaign.

24.Danijel PRANJIĆ, 25, 172cm, Heerenveen
Left winger. Very pacey and skilful winger who made his debut in this campaign in the 6-0 win over Andorra. Could come on for Kranjčar in the second half.

7.Ivan RAKITIĆ, 19, 184cm, Schalke
Left winger/Central Midfielder/Striker. The Golden Boy of Croatian football and can play in a variety of positions. Will most likely come on as a sub, but could start the game as the second striker. Has wonderful long range shooting and is always looking to attack.

18.Ivica OLIĆ, 28, 182cm, Hamburg
Striker. Is in the squad for his pace. A technically weak player who has a very poor goalscoring record in the NT. All things being equal, Croatia's 5th choice attacker. Due to other injuries, could be in the XI on Saturday.

??.Nikola KALINIĆ, 19, 187cm, Hajduk Split
Striker. Could make his debut in this match. Scored 7 goals for his club in the Croatian First Division and has a good record for various Croatian youth NTs. Comfortable on the ball and can hold it up well, he is a tireless worker on the pitch.
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the aussie temper boy is the tallest in the team,didnt know that 195 is massive...
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Considering no other Polaks are stepping up and your polite request, I will do my best to answer your questions. From the outset it doesn’t seem like the Polish section of xtratime.org or other internationally focused forums have the highest amount of posters compared to some of our other EE friends. However, I suspect the reason for this is that most Poles stick to Polishsoccer.com/forum (I’m deyna199 on there). It’s a pretty popular site among our clan, so you are welcome to check it out. It’s a much more active forum than the Polish sub-forum here of course, and we discuss the NT lots and our opponents as well. We usually get posters of different international allegiance around draw time for various tournaments, so of course you are more than welcome to join - it would be good to have regular Croatian updates . If not that is alright as well, its an easy way to be up do date on our players as we have a special section for that.

Anyways, this is the rundown, its long, so you may read it in parts – again be careful what you wish for, lol, it’s a long read. I am bit hesitant to give you a prediction on the lineup, or which exact 23 players are going because I of course have my own biases. Also the manager said the team/starting 11 may look different than used in qualifiers, but i dont expect more than 3-4 changes with respect to outfield players. The last 2 tournaments we have totally flopped because of using players that were only on form in qualifiers and burned out by the time the actual tournament started; they were usually out of form as well. I don’t think beenhakker will make the same mistakes, but he is a loyal coach, so we’ll see. Although the lineup isn’t totally set, I can pencil in certain players who have excelled in qualifiers and barring injury are sure to start. This is the best I can do I guess…..but at the same time, these are the players you should probably focus on when leading up to the tournament.

Out of the 11 starting positions, I think 7 of these you can pencil in:

GK
Artur Boruc – 1980 – 193 cm – Celtic FC (Scotland)
played the most in qualifiers, excelled, and Beenhakker really likes him. Cannot see anyone taking his spot because he has become accustomed to the defenders. Its really his spot at euro 2008.

We play with a 451, or a 4411, that is what we have used in qualifiers and I don’t expect that to change. We use 2 defensive midfielders, and some of our attackers don’t have set positions and float around to mix things up.

I’ll start with 2 Defenders I think are sure to start.

Marcin Wasilewski – 1979 – 186 cm - RSC Anderlecht (Belgium) Usually plays as a rb for us, but I guess in desperate times he could be used as a cb. I expect him to start at Rb for us.

Michał Żewłakow - 1976 - Olympiacos (Greece)
Playing in Greece and plays as a cb for them. I expect that he will play this postion for the nt at euro 2008, although he has played different roles in defense for us before.

Defensive Midfielders


Mariusz Lewandowski – 1979 – 185 cm - Shakhtar Donetsk (Ukraine) – he is going to be one of our 2 defensive midfielders for sure. Has cemented his place in the 11.

Attackers, Strikers


Jacek Krzynowek – 1976 – 180 cm – Wolfsburg (Germany) – subject to several transfer rumours in January, most likely will end up at Olympiakos.
Krzynowek scored 4 goals in qualifying and some what revived his nt career. Very strong shooter, left footed, but he can wire the ball with either foot – check youtube.com, dangerous on free kicks. Important player for us and played well in qualifiers. He either plays on the left side of midfield or fades into the middle.

Jakub Blaszczykowski (Kuba) – 1985 – 175 cm – BVB (Germany) – this player will probably be the easiest to follow as he plays with Petric, and has given him a couple of nice assists if I am remembering correctly. Plays as a RB for Dortmund right now, but is a Right sided midfielder/winger for us and plays well there for the nt, he looks better at RB for BVB though. He is a speedy tricky winger for us and creates a lot.

Ebi Smolarek – 1981 – 178 cm – Racing Santander (Spain)
Scored 9 goals for us in qualifying, pretty much our MVP. He has been awarded Polish player of the year for the last 3 years. The first year he got it because he scored like 13 goals in 16 games in the 2005 fall round for BVB. The following 2 years he won it because of his nt exploits in qualifying. Right now he is playing for Santander, but not scoring like expected. He has looked lively in games, but he was brought there as a striker. His position or time for the club could change come transfer window, but to be honest he wasn’t really listed as a striker when he played for our nt – he just faded there and switched positions sometimes and here we are. So judging him by goal tallies for either club or country is probably not the best way to rate him.

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Candidates to fill out the remaining 4 starting positions

Defense –
For LB we have been using Grzegorz Bronowicki regularly – 1980 – Red Star (Serbia). I would of penciled him in as a starter, but I don’t think he is set in stone. Although I guess I would expect him to be in those role as of today.

CB – well right now its between Jacek Bak and Arkadiusz Radomski, both of whom play at FK Austria Wien. Bak use to be our captain before qualifiers started and has been part of the nt for some time, he is getting up there in age though. He will be 35 when the tournament rolls around and has been fouling more and more as he is losing a step. I think he will be part of the squad, but I have a hunch he wont be starting even though he has in qualifers. Radomski played a big role in our win against Portugal but has been out of action since May of this year with a serious leg injury. He is suppose to be coming back early next year, but its hard to say if he will be able to refind his form right before euro 2008. The coaches are in constant contact with him, and he seems eager to play, but its still up in the air with him.

Defensive Midfielders

Lewandowski has a defensive midfield partner, and there have been a couple options, but right now this role is up in the air. Last game it was Radoslaw Sobolewski (Wisla Krakow), but he just retired from the nt. (He is the one that was sent out of the game against the Germans at the wc. Good servant for us, but he is done. The other usual partner, was Dariusz Dudka – 1983 – 183 cm – Wisla Krakow (Poland). He is injured as of now, but he will be back next year. Personally I think this guy needs to improve lots to be a solid nt player, as some of his passes are quite bad and he makes some bad decisions at times. He has done well at times, but I am not sold on him. The coach plays him though, and likes him it seems, so he may partner Lewandowski in the middle. But with his injury, and others I don’t think he is sure to start. We have a player at FC Porto named Przemysław Kaźmierczak – 1982 – fc Porto , who plays as a d-mid as well. He may be an option as he has done well for Porto when called upon. But for the nt he has been played out of position thus far, and will probably need more club time to fit the bill. We will see, there may be an unexpected starter or another option beenhakker looks at as the other d-mid.

Attackers/Strikers

The other player that may fill the other striker role, is either hated or loved it seems. Lots of people have a strong opinion about Maciej Zurawski – 1976 – Celtic fc – subject to lots of transfer rumours, either going back to Poland or la galaxy. Zurawski was crucial for us last qualifying campaign, for wc 2006, scoring 7 goals along the way, including against England. But at the WC, just like in 2002, he has a bad time. In 2006 he had a really bad tournament, so that is 2 in a row he did not do well at. Although his role in 2002 was a bit different. Regardless, he is one of those players that seems to have more issues with mentality than actual play. He gets depressed and plays bad, etc….his weakness is the mental aspect of the game. He has really strong technical ability coming out of our program, considering we haven’t really catered to that in the last 2 decades…..but this guy is up and down. He had only 1 goal in qualifying, but his role changed since beenhakker took over, he usually faded into midfield and plays as a set up man. He is out of favour at celtic, because he plays as a striker there….also it seems he has kind of lost a step judging by his last game against Milan. Still could be dangerous, and I am a fan of his ability, but I am unsure if he will start despite being our captain. Beenhakker really likes the guy, but for some fans he is a player who doesn’t have the mentality at the highest level. For others, his skill over compensates for that and they believe he will be able to overcome that and are willing to give him another go. Another potential striker would be Radoslaw Matusiak – 1982 – 184 cm – Heerenveen (Holland). Matusiak had about 4 goals in 8 games for the nt when he started. He was still in Poland at time and the sky seemd the limit. He was tall, fast, had some flair and was scoring well in Poland. He scored against Belgium and Serbia early in qualifying and was on a mental high. He moved to Palermo in Italy shorty after in January, and in 3 games he had 1 goal in Serie A. It was less than 180 minutes of play in the entire round for him and he requested a transfer to get back to form and ended up at Heerenveen. As of right now he is struggling there too, not because of time, but he is on a mental low and doesn’t look the same player he was just 10 months ago. He had 3 goals in qualifying with the limited time he saw because of his club situation, but if he recovers club wise before euro 2008 he could be a candidate to start. Right now I see him making the squad, but I would not pencil him in for a start. Beenhakker is a big supporter of his, so we’ll see.
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The rest of the 23/notables:

Goalkeepers that have taken part in qualifying:

Artur Boruc – 1980 – 193cm – Celtic FC
Wojciech Kowalewski – 1977 – 189cm – Spartak Moscow
Jerzy Dudek – 1973 – 185cm – Real Madrid
Lukasz Fabianski – 1985 – 190cm – Arsenal
Tomasz Kuszczak – 1982 – 190cm – Man Utd.

Well these are the 5 guys that have played various roles on the team. The clubs they play for look impressive, but aside from Boruc they are 2nd choice or even 3rd in some cases.

Artur Boruc has played the most during qualifiers and barring injury I really do not see anyone taking his spot. Not only does he play week in and week out, but he has become accustomed with our defenders. I do not see him being dislodged even if say for instance Kuszczak starts getting first team time at man utd. because of an injury to VDS or something. The backup keepers for the most part have been Kuszczak and Fabianski, because they are younger and have shown good skills when called upon for their clubs. Kuszczak has received a lot more time for Man Utd. than Fabianski has for Arsenal, and even got some champions league experience, but against Serbia our gk coach gave the game to Fabianski. Kuszczak was already kind of unsettled in terms of his NT spot, so this is adding drama to the fire as who is really our second choice etc.

Both Kowalewski and Dudek have played games in actual qualifiers, and it was actually Kowalewski in net when we got our big win against Portugal. But a lot has happened since then, like Kowalewski losing his Spartak spot – he’s been riding the pine for some time and I don’t think he will get out of his deal or find a new club before Euro 2008. And Dudek played for us in our 1-3 loss to Finland at the beginning of qualifying. Given that he made a huge blunder in that game, I really don’t see him coming back into the fold despite what he has been quoted as saying in the papers lately. I don’t think the anyone would respect the fact he wants to jump back to the nt after we’ve qualified.

Again, Beenhakker really likes Boruc.

I think the pecking order will end up being like this:

Boruc
Kuszczak
Fabianski
– against Serbia he started well, made some big saves, but also made some miscalls. I really believe Kuszczak should have been given the last game against Serbia


Other Defenders
cb - Mariusz Jop – FK Moscow ,
Robert Golanski, 1982 - FC Steaua Bucureşti - i think he has played as lb for us, but has been injury prone ..... several younger Polish based defenders, like Bartczak and Warrzyniak. Maybe an older Polish defender as well may be added, but I prefer younger ones if Bak is coming as a back up. There are a few options beenhakker will be testing this Saturday against the Bosnians in a friendly.

Midfielders

MF Rafał Murawski - 1981 - Lech Poznań à did well against the Serbs in the last game, scored a goal, needs further testing, but looks like an option.

Łukasz Garguła - 1981 - GKS Bełchatów à He was suppose to take over for zurawski as the set up man eventually, but got injured during the middle of qualifiers, but has come back to form recently. Beenhakker really likes him but he is untested at the highest level.

Wojciech Łobodziński – 1982 – Zaglebia Lubin. Plays on the right wing, and usually a back up for Kuba. Untested at the highest level, and I think his overall potential is probably weaker than say Gargula. So far he has looked only good against weaker teams in qualifying, but not against anyone respectable. But may surprise, I have been wrong before. I would hope beenhakker would test other wing options in addition to him.

Forwards –
I think we may see some surprises here. Peronally I think a guy like Ireneusz Jelen – 1982 – Aj Auxerre may work his way back into the squad. He scored well in ligue 1 last year, and is on similar pace this year. He is a very quick player and can play on wing or stiker, but beenhakker does not prefer him. He usually gets named into the reserve squad but there is strong pressure to have him back in the squad from the media – he’s a bit of a favourite I feel. Beenhakker says he is not crossed off at all, but we will see. Just for fun http://youtube.com/watch?v=TTnxXVTf-Qw
Anyways I think he may work his way back into the squad. But again thay maybe personal bias. I think he is definitely better than some players in the 23 roster that have been part of qualifiers all along. Problem is he has chronic back problems, which maybe a reason why beenhakker doesn’t favour him. We will see.

Others are Łukasz Piszczek - 1985 - Hertha Berlin. Has been part of the set up without any real time, if he continues to get time for hertha he will probably come back into the fold. I think he may play as a winger for hertha, switching from striker.

Pawel Brozek – 1983 – Wisla Krakow. This guy has been a prospect for us ever since Poland won the u18 uefa championship in 2001. he is having a career year for Wisla but hasn’t lived up to the hype that he was first billed with. Played well and scored well in the uefa cup last year. Could be a late addition to the squad, has a chance this Saturday, and maybe be leaving wisla in January.

Tomasz Zahorski - 1984 (age 23) - Górnik Zabrze Played against Serbia in the last qualifier, and played well on the wing. He is a taller player, and beenhakker insists have a target man. He is more of a set up guy, but beenhakker has turned to like him.

During qualifiers we had 2 players from Southampton regularly as part of the setup, but they did not do great in my opinion (Rasiak 1979 – and Saganowski 1978) – it was more of a sense that they were part of the setup and beenhakker didn’t want to mix things up or try new things when we haven’t qualified yet. It wasn’t the time to experiment in his mind. And it maybe bias from me, but I really don’t think they will be going to euro 2008. instead I think beenhakker will look to zahorski and one of the other players to fill out the 23. saganowski got sent home and didn’t get any time against Serbia when we already qualified and rasiak was subbed at halftime for bad play, matusiak came in and scored.

Surprises –
We have a young striker named Dawid Janyczk at CSKA Moscow - 1987. When the season starts in 2008 in Russia he may get more time there, and if he plays good I can see him maybe being part of the squad. But it would be a real surprise, he has lots of potential, but he really has to establish himself at CSKA first. Its kind of hard with Vagner Lova and Jo to compete with, but we will see what happens there. He scored against Spartak in the Russian league and gotten some CL time for them. We will see. He maybe one for later down the road though.

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From a previous post on the Israel Forum (before our match v Israel). Some of the info is a little outdated but it should generally be alright.
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^ I really didn't think anybody would be as thorough as Suho. I think he even outdid you!
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^ I really didn't think anybody would be as thorough as Suho. I think he even outdid you!
you should have quoted him, this way it looks like you are talking about me. I am anything BUT thorough. p
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Great post Suho! I just wanted to add Balaban to "Other FK takers". But doesn't really matter as I think he will miss out on the EC party to Kalinic or Mandzukic. Budan is not in the best of forms atm, but he's still important to the sqaud as he's the only real target player of our forwards.
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The rest of the 23/notables:

Goalkeepers that have taken part in qualifying:

Artur Boruc – 1980 – 193cm – Celtic FC
Wojciech Kowalewski – 1977 – 189cm – Spartak Moscow
Jerzy Dudek – 1973 – 185cm – Real Madrid
Lukasz Fabianski – 1985 – 190cm – Arsenal
Tomasz Kuszczak – 1982 – 190cm – Man Utd.


You had 5 different goalkeepers in the qual campaign!? ...must be some kind of record.
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well of those 5 gks, 4 have played in official euro 2008 qualification matches. only kuszczak hasnt, but they have all been part of the set up is what i meant.
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Four having played in a campaign is xtreme and unusual aswell.
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Suho, you're not going to let this Pollack outdo you? Look at how thorough he was, are you going to sit there and take it?


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