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Euro 2012 Qualifiers: Israel Vs. Croatia

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COMPETITION: Euro 2012 Qualifiers

KICKOFF: October 9th 2010, 21:00 (Local Time)

VENUE: Ramat Gan Stadium




Current Group Standings:

1. Croatia 4 points
2. Israel 4 points
3. Latvia 3 points
4. Georgia 2 points
5. Greece 2 points
6. Malta 0 points

Other round games:

Georgia Vs. Malta
Greece Vs. Latvia

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The game is in nearly two weeks time, but guess we could already begin discussing about this critical game for Israel in the Euro 2012 qualifiers. The NT comes from a decent start with a win over Malta and a draw away in Tblisi against Georgia which was considered by a large part of media and fans as a very bad result.

This time we face the strongest team in the group which currently leads the group alongside Israel. Croatia maybe isn´t in its best form of some years ago, but is certainly a dangerous team with a lot of quality and if we wish to win this game we must play much better than the two previous games.

Luis Fernandez has been watching carefully Gal Alberman and the defensive midfielder who recently joined Maccabi Tel Aviv after a spell in Grmany with Monchengladbach, could be one of the gambles of the Frenchmen. If Fernandez received some good news of Albermans return of form, Israeli fans will once again be worried since captain and star player Yossi Benayoun got injured in a Chelsea game and is in serious doubt for the game.

What are your expectations for the game?
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I want us to win, I want us to play beautiful football, however that being said, Croatia is a strong team. I don't think Alberman should play, he has been out for so long that I think he will be blown away by the pace of the international game. I think Benayoun being out might come with a silver lining. We need to play as a team, I feel that Yossi holds onto the ball for too long, and gives it away too much. We need to be prepared for life after Yossi.

I want Fernandez not to play defensively. Almog Cohen had really good games and should probably start again. Tamir Cohen and Biram Kiyal should not play. Lineup I would like to see.

------------Shechter----------
Buzaglo------Barda--------Vermouth
---------Natcho----Cohen--------
Sahar-----------------------Ghadir
--------Ben-Haim--Keinan---------
--------------Dudu----------------
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Yossi is injuried!?!? Oh no!

Israel will win 3 points.
And Lativa will win against greece!!! Lativa have to win against greece!

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------------Shechter----------
Buzaglo------Barda--------Vermouth
---------Natcho----Cohen--------
Sahar-----------------------Ghadir
--------Ben-Haim--Keinan---------
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Ben Sahar....and Mohammed Ghadir...two FORWARDS as left/right backs? BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what kinda mushrooms did u eat, ur fu(king crazy...
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Ben Sahar....and Mohammed Ghadir...two FORWARDS as left/right backs? BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what kinda mushrooms did u eat, ur fu(king crazy...


Indeed a very offensive lineup which certainly will take us to concede many. But guess Golasa wrote down some names and ended up with this lineup.
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As for the game, I seriously have my doubts we could beat Croatia. We will have to play much much much much better than the previous games in order to dream with the 3 points. Croatia will lead this group so whoever takes more points from them will be in a very good advantage.

As for the lineup, I also would include Buzaglo and Natkho. Benayoun is our best player of course and we will miss all he represents for us. When things look bad he is the one who always saves us, so I am worried of course.

My partial lineup for now:


----------------------------------Aouate----------------------------

----Malul-------------Ben Haim-----------Keinan-------Rami Guershon--

-----------------------Natkho---------Kiyal------------------------

----------Vermut----------------Buzaglo---------------Refaelov-------

-------------------------------Shechter-----------------------------



I guess it a balanced lineup, since we would have Malul who is offensive and marks well on the right. On the left, Rami Guershon who is more a defender than a leftback, but knows how to advance. If in the middle of the game if there is a necessity Israel could play with three defenders and place Malul as a winger.

Natkho and Kiyal as defensive midfielders would be a perfect duo, one is the best passer we have in this position, someone that in the absence of Benayoun would think our game. The other one is real watchdog who will take care of the hard work tackling and marking the Croats.

In attack, Shechter MUST start. He is currently by far our best forward and he is in another level. He will cause headaches for the Croats that don´t know much about him. Vermut, Buzaglo and Refaelov are a good trio to start in offensive midfield, technique and speed would be great here. Maybe I would be in doubt if Elyaniv Barda would enter in Refaelov´s place.

Other than this Aouate is undisputed in goal and currently our best pair of central defenders are Ben Haim and Keinan, so probably no surprises there.
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We don't have any decent left or right backs. so let me have my fun.
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Were lucky if we can get a tie out of this game...it will be the best option...in all seriousness.... I dont think we will stand a chance with Croatia or Greece now that Benayoun is out...who will fill in? Fernendez loves to put Haifa and Tel Aviv players while their team struggles

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Were lucky if we can get a tie out of this game...it will be the best option...in all seriousness.... I dont think we will stand a chance with Croatia or Greece now that Benayoun is out...who will fill in? Fernendez loves to put Haifa and Tel Aviv players while their team struggles
If fernandez played for a draw @ Georgia, you have to think he is playing for a draw here. Without Yossi, we a up sh*t's creek without a paddle.

The national team faces a potentially serious blow to its European prospects with the possible loss of its captain. Yossi Benayoun is doubtful for the crucial Euro 2012 qualifiers next month against Croatia and Greece after being forced off with a calf injury during Chelsea's Carling Cup defeat to Newcastle Wednesday night.

The English team announced after the game that Benayoun would miss tomorrow's match against Manchester City. Team doctors in England are working in parallel with Israel's national team physician Dr. Mark Rosnovsky. An MRI yesterday revealed that the Israeli captain is suffering from a torn gastrocnemius muscle.

After an initial examination, the Chelsea doctor ordered Benayoun to rest three weeks and sent a copy of the MRI to Rosnovsky. Benayoun is scheduled to meet with his doctor and Chelsea coach Carlo Ancelotti today. He will undergo another exam in London on Sunday and a follow-up MRI next week. The midfielder is looking into the possibility of returning early to Israel to be treated by Dr. Rosnovsky.

Three years ago Benayoun suffered a tear in his quadriceps just before a qualifier against Russia in Moscow under then-coach Dror Kashtan. Dr. Rosnovsky succeeded after much effort to ready Benayoun for that match, which ended in a 1-1 draw.

Luis Fernandez, Israel's coach, took the news hard according to national team sources, and plans to speak by telephone with Benayoun. The two are expected to coordinate the captain's return to Israel regardless of whether he is fit enough to play in the first game against Croatia on October 9. The initial assessment is that the captain will be on the roster even if he is not 100 percent fit.
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Benayoun is of course our key player, but in all honesty we need to field in some 100% fit in the game. We can`t have Yossi in terrible physical conditions and afraid of making fast moves.

We have players who could decide a game as well and we must believe in ourselves. If we don`t we will enter the pitch defeated.
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Fernandez will call up the squad tommorow and their are expectations for some surprises in the team.

Amit Ben Shushan and Ali Ottman are two players that could appear in the list tommorow. With Benayoun´s injury another spot in midfield should be filled in and Dor Malul who is in excellent form at Maccabi Tel Aviv could also be a good surprise.

The good news is the return of Elyaniv Barda who in the first two games of the campaign didn`t play due injury. The Genk forward scored two goals and gave an assist in his team last game in the Belgian league.
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Alroee Cohen will be called too apparently.
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Alroee Cohen will be called too apparently.
If these guys have access to this information why not publishing the full list already?

This should leave Fernandez or any other coach mad. I mean he wants to keep the privacy of his work and someone is passing the information.
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No way Yossi will miss this match, I think he should be back in time. Worst time to be out to man. Tough game coming up, 3 pts and you might give yourselves a chance to qualify.

Hey I was just in Israel, awesome trip btw, and realized how many Russian speaking people actually live there! So I was wondering how come there aren't any in the NT? have there been any in the youth teams? and Maccabi and Hapoel TA didn't seem to have any either, I got to go to a game it was pretty sweet!
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No way Yossi will miss this match, I think he should be back in time. Worst time to be out to man. Tough game coming up, 3 pts and you might give yourselves a chance to qualify.
It has been a constant unfortunately that Benayoun always comes injured for the qualifiers (at least in the past years it has been this way). We all know his potential and what he could produce and how important he is for us. But IMHO if he is not at least 80% fit he shouldn`t play. We will have a tough and physical game against Croatia and they will man mark him for sure. He will be limited by injury and won`t take too many risks even though we all know how he dedicates himself in the NT games.

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Hey I was just in Israel, awesome trip btw, and realized how many Russian speaking people actually live there! So I was wondering how come there aren't any in the NT? have there been any in the youth teams? and Maccabi and Hapoel TA didn't seem to have any either, I got to go to a game it was pretty sweet!
Good you enjoyed the trip. Many people end up saying this after they get to know Israel. A bit different from what the mass media reports eh?

Yes, indeed we have many citizens with Russian background. In late 80´s and early 90`s with the collapse of Soviet Union many Jews from those countries migrated to Israel in order to search for better life and have more contact with Judaism (or at least have freedom to express their faith that was repelled in socialist regime in Eastern Europe).
Some of them weren`t exactly Jews (many had ancestors, but no connection at all and simply went to have better life) and ended up not adapting so well into Israeli society and forming Russian neighborhoods (they have their own nespapers, supermarkets, tv channels etc...) in which we could compare as "little Russia". Many have come to contribute, but some also brought bad habits such as mobs, gang fights, steeling and so on.

As for sports insertion, I believe little by little in next generation we will have more players of Russian background. We actually have one which is Dani Bondar (his official name is Bondarev which his family adopted in Russia, but now in Israel he is called the original name). There is a player at Beitar Jerusalem Shmuel Kozokin which is also from Russian origin.

In Israel there is also a kind of dispute between Ashkenazic Jews (Jews from central, northern and Eastern Europe) and Sepharadic Jews (Jews from southern Europe, middle east). The first group are considered to have better positions in society, more the cultural and intelectual sectors of the country while the second group are more involved in the commerce and other parts of society. This is actually a long debate, but it reflects in sports.
Since football is a more popular game we have more players from Sepharadic origin (who in average are poorer than Ashkenazic Jews). In our current NT about 90% of the squad is Sepharadic.
If we go to other sports thar are a bit more elite in Israel such as tennis and basketball we could see that the percentage of Ashkenazic players increases.

Russians (and when I mean by Russians are the ones who came from mass migrations of Soviet Union in early 90´s) are somehow in the middle of this comparison and in sports this what happens as well. Many Ashkenazic Jewish players such as Nir Davidovich, Eyal Berkovic, Ben Sahar are from Polish/Russian background, but in Israel they are already considered Ashkenazic, Russians are a term for the ones who haven`t really adapted themselves to Israel or as I previously mentioned the ones who came from Soviet Union.

Hopefully I could help you with your doubt. Maybe a bit off the initial idea you had, but guess it could be useful.
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Luis Fernandez announced the squad for the Croatia and Greece game with some surprises.


Keepers: Dudu Aouate (mallorca), Ohad Levita (RKC Waalwijk), Ariel harush (Beitar Jerusalem)

Defenders
: Klemi Saban (Maccai Tel Aviv), Dani Bondar (Hapoel Tel Aviv), Tal Ben Haim (West Ham), Dekel Keinan (Blackpool), Oshri Roash (Hapoel Haifa), Rami Guershon (Kortrijk), Dedi Ben Dayan (Hapoel Tel Aviv), Yoav Ziv (Maccabi Tel Aviv).

Midfielders: Tamir Cohen (Bolton), Almog Cohen (Nurenberg), Biram Kiyal (Celtic), Dor Malul ( Maccabi Tel Aviv), Bibras Natkho (Rubin Kazan), Eran Zahavi (Hapoel Tel Aviv), Gili Vermut (Hapoel Tel Aviv), Lior Refaelov (Maccabi Haifa), Eyal Golasa (Maccabi Haifa), Yossi Benayoun (Chelsea).

Forwards: Itay Shechter (Hapoel Tel Aviv), Amit Ben Shushan (Beitar Jerusalem), Elyaniv Barda (Genk), Omer Damari (Maccabi Petah Tikva), Elroy Cohen (Kiriat Shmona), Roberto Collauti (Maccabi Tel Aviv)


Benayoun even injured and without many chances of playing was called up, the surprise calls were from Elroy Cohen, Omer Damari and Oshri Roash. Malul and Ben Shushan aren´t a surprise to me since they are all in great form. Strange to see Sahar out of the list even though he is not playing so well at Hapoel.

Good to see Natkho back in the squad, hopefuly he could play. IMO it is a balanced squad. Many have criticized the call up. I just think Eliran Atar and Maor Buzaglo should have been there and Collauti is not on his best form as well.

What do you guys think of the call up?
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i like it....less the Saban part


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--------------------Awat

--Bondarv---Ben Haim---Keinan---Gershon

-------------A.Cohen---Natkho

--Vermouth---------------------Rafaelov

------------Shechter------Barda



ohhhh and btw Berko our NT is NOT 90% sefardic...Jesus it bust my balls when u ashkenazi think mizrahi and sefardi are the same....WE ARE NOT THE SAME, ashkenazi and falashas are the same? NO, so as we are not the same than mizrahi...!!!
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---------------Aouate---------------

-------Ben Haim-----Keinan----------
Bondar-----------------------Gershon

------A. Cohen------Natkho----------
Vermouth--------------------Refaelov

--------Shechter----Barda-----------

I'm assuming Benayoun will miss this match, although I wouldn't be surprised to see him playing(even in a wheelchair). Sahar and Arbeitman weren't called up (WTF!?!), so I would go with Barda. Colautti is the only other realistic option.

This is a must-win game at home. In a group with no powerhouse team, you MUST win all your home games. No excuses. Otherwise, you just don't deserve to qualify.

Israel apparently can only win competitive matches against stronger opponents(Russia) WITHOUT Benayoun, so I'm actually feeling pretty good about this match... :hopeful:
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The lineup really does pick itself, I'd be surprised if Fernandez went with something different than what you guys have out there.

I would have brought in Eliran Atar and Maor Buzaglo, for Tamir Cohen and Omer Damari, but I don't think either of those players will start or play anyways.

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