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View Poll Results: Which forwards should play for Israel in the next campaign?
Elyaniv Barda (Genk) 6 75.00%
Omer Golan (Lokeren) 3 37.50%
Barak Itzhaki (Beitar Jerusalem) 3 37.50%
Amit Ben Shushan (Beitar Jerusalem) 2 25.00%
Ben Sahar (Espanyol) 8 100.00%
Shlomi Arbeitman (Maccabi Haifa) 6 75.00%
Itay Shechter (Hapoel Tel Aviv) 6 75.00%
Toto Tamuz (Beitar Jerusalem) 3 37.50%
Pini Balili (Sivasspor) 1 12.50%
Yuval Avidor (Maccabi Tel Aviv) 1 12.50%
Roberto Collauti (Borussia Monchengladbach) 5 62.50%
Eliran Atar (Bnei Yehuda) 3 37.50%
Shimon Abuhatzira (Larissa) 0 0%
Mohamed Ghadir (Maccabi Haifa) 2 25.00%
Tal Ben Haim (Maccabi Petah Tikva) 2 25.00%
Roy Dayan (Hapoel Acco) 0 0%
Lior Asulin (Hapoel Beer Sheva) 1 12.50%
Other (Specify) 0 0%
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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old November 28th, 2009, 02:42 Thread Starter
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Israel NT: Forwards

Maybe it is still early since we aren`t participating in the World Cup, no firendlies scheduled until late Ferbuary and the Euro qualifying draw will only be held in three months time.

But here in xtratime, differently from Luzon and IFA we are trying to figure a solution for our senior NT, the new coach and the best picks up

We are having a good generation coming up and i am curious to know what do you guys think which players Israel`s next coach should pick.

I will be starting with keepers.

Pick two keepers you guys think should be called up in the next friendlies and in the next campaign.

Pick 5 forwards and strikers.
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My picks were. Sahar, Barda, Arbeitman, Shechter, Atar.

All of them have good scoring instincts and that is what we need. Just think maybe in this case we lack an option of playing as a center forward like Abuhatzira or Collauti, but i would still keep my first five.

Barak Itzhaki would be my immediate option in case one of the five picks were injured or couldn`t play.
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Sahar, Barda, Arbeitman, Collauti, and Ghadir for me

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post #4 of 17 (permalink) Old November 30th, 2009, 21:19 Thread Starter
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Sahar, Barda, Arbeitman, Collauti, and Ghadir for me
Not my choices, but anyways it is a good choice.

The forward position has plenty of options and this is very good.
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Other than Sahar, all the rest should be based on who's in good form at the time.
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Other than Sahar, all the rest should be based on who's in good form at the time.
Indeed, Sahar is our very special striker and he should be there in all squads. The poll shows this aswell, Ben Sahar was in everyones option.
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Indeed, Sahar is our very special striker and he should be there in all squads. The poll shows this aswell, Ben Sahar was in everyones option.
Except Kashtan's.
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Except Kashtan's.


Yeah he opted for Omer Golan instead.

Opinions should be respected every coach has its own way of working, but the truth is that like you said Ben Sahar is our best striker and he shouldn`t be left out.
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I actually picked more than 5...:blushing: but i will break it down...

Barda, Golan, Itzhaki, Ben Shushan, Sahar, Scechter, Coalluti, Ben Haim

I basically put it in 2 groups:

Old school: (Barda, Golan, Itzhaki, Ben Shushan, Coalluti)
New School: (Sahar, Schecther, Ben Haim)

The way I want it to be broken down is simple...if we needed 5 forwards at any given time, id want to start with one group and then take away the weakest forward and add from the other group...

Barda, Golan and Coalluti are going to exit my opinion soon because i think there days are numbered. Barda's highlight was in the WCQ, but i never really heard from him since then.
Golan is good, but he is inconsistant sometimes and I have seen him play since 2003. I think there is room to allow younger players to play.
Coalluti was good for us but he's highlight came in 2006 when Euro qualifiers happened. He was key to our goal scoring. He got injured and never really bounced back.

Now the old school which i added can go into the new school group if they do better.
Itzahki - he got talent, but its either him wanting to go to Europe or him being stuck in Beitar that is the problem. He can do really well if he wanted to, but he doesnt really push himself and seems like a player who did good, wants results (him in europe) but will falter in the process.

Ben Shushan - is in the similar characteristic as Itzahki. He along with Bruchayan are bound to exit Beitar in search of glory in Europe. I wouldnt count them being young, but they arent old as well. They still go a good 10 years of play in their shoulders before they get thrown in no mans leauge fighting for promotion.

From the new school i picked:

Sahar - personally a fine player who needs to develop his key. Moving and not finding his true play hurts his stemena as a NT player a lot. Greece was scared of him in game one and he could have done damage in game 2. I like to believe that he wouldnt act like an inconsistant player, but he is only 20 now...so its hard to judge. He got a long way to go in terms of impressing me.

Schetcher - has been dynamic player for Hapoel TA in the leauge and also in the Europa Leauge. This is a player who can transform himself whenever his team needs and create goals. I will seriously go bazurk if he is not on the starting line up in next NT friendly. The man proved himself....

Ben Haim - he is a wildcard. New to everything. I think being in MPT is not the best place for someone who can turn out to be phenomenal. Sometimes he does stupid mistakes but most of the time he can deliver and i think he can get a start sometime soon...but i think he is what Itzhaki-Ben Shushan-Golan-Barda were and would eventually be....in and out for the NT....... and not someone who makes a dynamic spot on a regular basis..

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Intresting analysis. It has some logic.

We have options, but i don`t agree with some points. Barda was our best scorer in the qualifiers and on his first season with Genk he was the second best scorer of the Belgium league. On his second season he was the teams best assister if i am not mistaken. I would surely pick him in front of Golan, which i believe with all these options we have shouldn`t be in the NT.

Regarding Ben Shushan, he is talented, but on the the senior NT he hasn`t produced much. I don`t think he should be in the squad with all these options available. On the other hand Itzhaki has played good matches in the senior squad and surely could be in the next campaign. Since we could have only picked 5, he wasn`t on my list, but he certainly would be an immediate option.

Arbeitman and Shechter are needless to say, both of them are in great form, especially the Hapoel forward. both of them should be in the squad.

Sahar is our best striker is our starter and this is common sense. Hope that our next coach agrees with this.
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Why is Sahar not getting minutes and why is Espanyol horrible this season?

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Why is Sahar not getting minutes and why is Espanyol horrible this season?
Well, the expectations were to fight for a Europa League spot and nothing more. I agree they are a bit far from this objective right now, but i am pretty much sure they will recover in the end.

Sahar should be having more minutes.

Even more dissapointing than Espanyol, is Atletico Madrid. With plenty of superstars, the team was near relegation zone. (BTW they beat Espanyol last weekend).
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Yea 4-0...

was Sahar even a benchwarmer for Espanyol?

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Yeah he comes on basically every game for Espanyol but only plays for around 20 minutes. I don't know what's expected of someone who only plays for 20 mins a game...

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I don't understand how people aren't voting for Golan. He was the team's leading scorer for most of the qualifiers until Barda came on at the end. When in good form, Golan is excellent.
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Golan to me is like Katan...
Inconsistent player who sometimes gives 100% and 10% the game after...

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Golan, is good, but comparing to the other options he wouldn`t be in the squad IMO.

For example, ahead of him currently, definitely Sahar, Shechter, Barda and Arbeitman are all in better form.

And then we have Itzhaki and Atar who are more technical IMO.
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