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post #1 of 33 (permalink) Old June 18th, 2009, 04:27 Thread Starter
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Ben Sahar Official Thread

We have already a thread regarding one of our main talents, Ben Sahar, but after his recent move it is better to open an official thread.
Today it was announced in the media that Chelsea will sell the Israeli striker for one million euros to Espanyol from the Spanish La Liga. The player will sign a contract of five years.

The perspective of playing a Barcelona derby against Messi and co. is very entertaining.

Good move IMO, a mid table team with chances to play in Europe and a place where he could develop his football and be a starter.

Good Luck Ben!!
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post #2 of 33 (permalink) Old June 18th, 2009, 16:24
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Yes Indeed, good luck Ben....
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yep! i can't wait for the start of the season!

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Should be a good form...

I mean, you cant expect him to play in the top top teams in SPain... He will have a good chance to prove himself and be more flexibile with the team.

I like Espanyol. They are a good fit and I have walked around their stadium while in Barcelona last summer... the stadium is very nice and modern (made in 1992) and best of all the stadium is on Mount Juic.... i dont know if it means Jew Mountain or Mount Jupiter...but hey..lets show some magic

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Should be a good form...

I mean, you cant expect him to play in the top top teams in SPain... He will have a good chance to prove himself and be more flexibile with the team.

I like Espanyol. They are a good fit and I have walked around their stadium while in Barcelona last summer... the stadium is very nice and modern (made in 1992) and best of all the stadium is on Mount Juic.... i dont know if it means Jew Mountain or Mount Jupiter...but hey..lets show some magic
Yeah....Montjuic is "mount of the jews" in catalan. Apparently there is a jewish cemetery nearby the stadium, consequently meaning there was a jewish community in Barcelona or in the region. But don´t know if it dates from the time of the inquisition or if it is more recent.

Anyways it is a good club to play in and Ben Sahar is expected to succeed ovethere. They have good players and they also signed Japanese Nakamura from Celtic. A good duo IMO, technical and good finishing.
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Yeah....Montjuic is "mount of the jews" in catalan. Apparently there is a jewish cemetery nearby the stadium, consequently meaning there was a jewish community in Barcelona or in the region. But don´t know if it dates from the time of the inquisition or if it is more recent.
I was in Barcelona.
I went to a synagogue near the main street of Barcelona where it was dubbed the oldest synagogue......

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Anyways it is a good club to play in and Ben Sahar is expected to succeed ovethere. They have good players and they also signed Japanese Nakamura from Celtic. A good duo IMO, technical and good finishing.
Wow?
Someone purchase the team recently?

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I was in Barcelona.
I went to a synagogue near the main street of Barcelona where it was dubbed the oldest synagogue......



Wow?
Someone purchase the team recently?
Not that i know. But they are medium size team in Spain, they have some cash and also they are in a rich city.

In Barcelona, did you see many jews?
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Not that i know. But they are medium size team in Spain, they have some cash and also they are in a rich city.

In Barcelona, did you see many jews?
Rich, eh?
I mean..they are a Spanish side...
They are atleast better than say.......Racing Santander and Getafe..but they are ranked with teams like Villareal, Real Betis and so forth....not one of the top teams like Valencia, Real Madrid, Barcelona and Athletico Madrid..... :thmbdown:

Jews in Barcelona???
I overheard alot of Israelis chatting......
When i was in the synagogue i met a Spanish Jew, who was born in Spain and who speaks hebrew and was doing a tour in the synagogue...
I didnt see any other Jews living in Barcelona. However from what i was told, there is like 4000 Jews living in Barcelona on a good calculation, since there is alot of Israeli, Jewish Expats from around the world and a few vintage Jews in the city...

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Rich, eh?
I mean..they are a Spanish side...
They are atleast better than say.......Racing Santander and Getafe..but they are ranked with teams like Villareal, Real Betis and so forth....not one of the top teams like Valencia, Real Madrid, Barcelona and Athletico Madrid..... :thmbdown:

Jews in Barcelona???
I overheard alot of Israelis chatting......
When i was in the synagogue i met a Spanish Jew, who was born in Spain and who speaks hebrew and was doing a tour in the synagogue...
I didnt see any other Jews living in Barcelona. However from what i was told, there is like 4000 Jews living in Barcelona on a good calculation, since there is alot of Israeli, Jewish Expats from around the world and a few vintage Jews in the city...
Espanyol is a mid table team in Spain, but they are respected and always manage to find a spot in European competition. They don´t have obviously the money to buy players like Real Madrid did, but they have enough to buy good players like Sahar and Nakamura for example.

Regarding the Jews in Barcelona, well the inquisition around 400 years managed to persecute and wipe them from the Iberian peninsula. So i guess there wouldn´t be a lot of descendants around.

Even those who had Jewish great grandfather were still persecuted and many times even as Christians sent to the fire.

But we certainly have many Spaniards who have some Jewish blood and maybe without knowing some family tradtions which are heritage from their Jewish forefathers.

Some names aswell. For example...Ruben Baraja ( could come from the word Beracha in Hebrew and so on).

Anyways, 4000 members is a considerble number. Are the syangogues pretty?
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The synagogue was a basement....

not pretty....but heavily secured...
there is also skinheads around Barcelona....

Baraja?!?!?
I know a baseball player thats name Baraja
more like Bara-haa

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The synagogue was a basement....

not pretty....but heavily secured...
there is also skinheads around Barcelona....

Baraja?!?!?
I know a baseball player thats name Baraja
more like Bara-haa
I am not confirming i am just suggesting it is a possibility. Most of the Sepharadic Jews today are the ones who instead of staying in Spain and Portugal and converting to Christianity, left mainly to Mediterranean countries.
The ones who stayed were the so called "marranos" ( a depreciative of the Iberians to call the Jewish converts at that time, as pigs). Some really abandoned Judaism and didn´t want any more contact with it after so many persecutions, others converted, but secretly at home still practiced Judaism. And these were the ones who during 400 years were persecuted and explored by the Catholic church of the Iberian peninsula, including in their colonies. Many of them adopted Hispanic and Portuguese names to assimilate and hide their Jewish identity, but to keep track of their forefathers they adapted their names, like the example given of Baraja (from Hebrew word Beracha) or Piccioto (Portuguese jews who`s name was Dagan, translated to portuguese Peixoto and then fled to Italy and adapted to the local language Piccioto) and many other examples.
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mmmmm interesting...

You know, Obama said that the first latino supreme court judge was that newley formed lady.
Thats not true. Back in the 1800's this Portuguese jew who's family came from Portugual was infact the first Jewish/Latino Supreme court judge.... Poor Barack...

anyway, Barajas Jewish
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Rod Barajas - Toronto Blue Jays

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I was just pondering and has anyone else noticed how Ben Sahar is almost ALWAYS on blue and white teams?

Israel NT
Chelsea
QPR
De Graafschap
Espanyol

Kind of ridiculous, no?

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Blue and white are quite common team colors in any sport actually...

what do you want him to be at? a team that has pink and orange next?

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I was just pondering and has anyone else noticed how Ben Sahar is almost ALWAYS on blue and white teams?

Israel NT
Chelsea
QPR
De Graafschap
Espanyol

Kind of ridiculous, no?
Very well observed.
Next time we have a rumour regarding a transfer on Sahar always tend to believe on the team that has blue
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He'll probably end up at Man City after he goes on and scores 40+ goals in La Liga...

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Israelis are too skinny to survive the EPL...

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Israelis are too skinny to survive the EPL...
yossi proves you wrong...very wrong! plus, ben sahar is built well...its all about the kind of weights they have these guys life. C. Ronaldo came to england a slanky skinny portuguese kid and after Man U finished with him he looked like a beast of a man, practically unbreakable and not very prone to injury...but i think the spanish league is less concerned with players building muscle and more on their agility.
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yossi proves you wrong...very wrong! plus, ben sahar is built well...its all about the kind of weights they have these guys life. C. Ronaldo came to england a slanky skinny portuguese kid and after Man U finished with him he looked like a beast of a man, practically unbreakable and not very prone to injury...but i think the spanish league is less concerned with players building muscle and more on their agility.
Look how they teased Ronaldo in the EPL.

Benayoun is different, but he proved me RIGHT with his debacle season in West Ham a while back.....

anyway, Spanish Leauge is more about as you said...Agility and footwork, rather than aggression and nasty tackles...

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Berkovic is another example of a not so physically strong player that had a good spell in England and Scotland. Actually he played almost his entire career over there.

IMO, in England the secret is not being physically strong, but having a good pace. Both Benayoun and Berkovic have that, plus thy play with their heart and are above all very intelligent players.
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