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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old February 13th, 2007, 01:53 Thread Starter
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No Citizenship for Tamuz

The Interior Minstry has refused to grant Toto Tamuz full citizenship. The Ministry said; "The fact that Toto Tamuz plays for Israel does not grant him the right to citizenship." The reason the ministry gave was that, Irit Tamuz(Toto's mother) didn't legally adopt Toto. The Interior Ministry offered to extend Toto's temporary residency visa, but Tamuz's representatives broke off contact with the ministry because of their refusal to grant citizenship. Toto Tamuz's position is that he wants to be a full citizen and and not a temporary resident.

There is obviously a reason why they refuse to grant him citizenship. If they wanted to, they would grant citizenship, but there are other factors at play here. I smell the IFA in this. Their stench in powerful.

There is a real possibility that Tamuz will not be playing for the NT, for a while. And I doubt if he stays in Israel after this season.
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post #2 of 17 (permalink) Old February 13th, 2007, 03:07
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a real shame if he won't play for our NT...we know what he's capable of, but he's already stuck with our NT since he already made his debut for us. Still a waste that he won't be with us for England or the rest of the Euro 2008, he's probably the best Israeli striker in the current moment, his form has been consistant and lethal.
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Another stupid move by Israel....
i mean, seriously...the guy has family in Israel and lived here all his life. he is also planning on serving in the IDF....what is the matter with them....jeeeze....

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post #4 of 17 (permalink) Old February 14th, 2007, 19:19
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Unlucky lads. I was really hoping he would play against England, because he looked good against us (Croatia) when he came on in the second half. I don't understand how he is unable to play due to citizenship problems when he was allowed to pla only 3 months ago. Strange.
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post #5 of 17 (permalink) Old February 15th, 2007, 03:28 Thread Starter
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Unlucky lads. I was really hoping he would play against England, because he looked good against us (Croatia) when he came on in the second half. I don't understand how he is unable to play due to citizenship problems when he was allowed to pla only 3 months ago. Strange.
He has temporary residency, which allowed him to represent Israel. What the interior ministry did was deny him an expediated citizenship. Tamuz will have to wait 3 years to apply for citizenship.

I could see if Tamuz was in some Israeli youth academy for 2 years, but he has lived in Israel since he was 3 years old.

Tamuz should have never played for Israel until he got his citizenship. He has no leaverage now. At least he could have threaten to play for Nigeria(where he was born), but since he has 3 caps already, its either Israel or nothing.
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the Tamuz affair has hit the international media:


Israel striker boycotts national team

JERUSALEM (AP) - Toto Tamuz wants to be an Israeli citizen, and he's going to withhold his soccer talents from the country's national team until he becomes one.

Tamuz, who was raised in Israel and speaks fluent Hebrew, is the son of illegal Nigerian immigrants. But he has become famous in the Middle Eastern country because of his soccer skills, which have made him the top scorer in the Israeli league and a member of the national team.

The only thing the 18-year-old striker is missing is a passport.

"As someone who represents the country with pride, I'd like to get the same treatment from the country," Tamuz said before meeting his lawyers, who are taking his case to the Israeli Supreme Court.

"I'm not willing to compromise on the basic issues. I want to be recognized as an Israeli, like everyone else."

Tamuz, who has fought a lengthy and unsuccessful bureaucratic battle to win citizenship, had been able to represent Israel because of his temporary residency status. But that has expired, and he rejected a two-year extension offer because he wants citizenship.

The Beitar Jerusalem forward began his strike from the national team last week by skipping a friendly against Ukraine.

Israel's hopes of qualifying for the 2008 European Championship - the team came within a point of reaching last year's World Cup - could rest on the Supreme Court's decision. No date has been set for the ruling.

Until just over a year ago, Tamuz was illegal. On Dec. 27, 2005, he was given the residency permit that allowed him to play on the national team. Tamuz does not have Nigerian citizenship and does not seek it.

The story of the black player raised in Israel has captivated the imagination of the country. His teammates and coaches have pleaded with authorities on his behalf and private petitions to grant him citizenship circulate on the Internet.

"He is a player with a lot of speed and power. He has the potential to reach Europe," former Israel coach Shlomo Sharf said. "But regardless of whether he is a soccer player, he should get citizenship. He is Israeli. He's been here almost his entire life and he knows no other country."

Tamuz was 2 years old when he arrived in Israel from Nigeria with his biological parents.

His father, Clement Temile, played for a local soccer club, but when the family encountered financial difficulties, Tamuz was placed in the care of one of his dad's Israeli teammates. Tamuz's parents lingered in Israel for years, working illegally at odd jobs, before leaving.

His parents only attempted to renew contact following Tamuz's rise through the ranks of Israeli soccer, but he has rejected the gestures.

When he was 8, Tamuz moved in with Orit Tamuz, a single Israeli woman whom he calls his mother. Though Tamuz declined to say exactly how he met the woman, she never formally adopted him but she raised him, put him through school and he took her family name.

Within a few years, Tamuz emerged as a huge soccer talent in the central Israeli city of Petah Tikva, and quickly moved into Israel's top division.

Orit Tamuz declined to comment until the Supreme Court case is resolved.

Tamuz was Hapoel Petah Tikva's leading scorer last year, finishing fifth in the league with 11 goals in his first season in the top league. He was also the star player on Israel's under-19 and under-21 teams, leading the latter to a berth in this year's European championship.

Now with Beitar Jerusalem, Israel's most famous club, Tamuz has only gotten better. Last week, he scored two dazzling goals to help his first-place team beat three-time defending champion Maccabi Haifa. He leads the league with 10 goals.

With the national team, Tamuz scored a goal in a 4-1 win over visiting Andorra in September, and a month later in a European Championship qualifier he set up the equalizer in a 1-1 draw at Russia.

Israel, which is tied for third place in Group E with England, faces the English team on March 24, and Tamuz hopes his ordeal will be resolved by then.

"Playing against England would be one of the greatest moments of my life," he said.

But that will depend on the Supreme Court. On Monday, Israel's Interior Ministry rejected a final appeal from Tamuz.

"The fact that the plaintiff is a known and promising soccer player who played for the national team does not grant him privileges in attaining Israeli citizenship," the government said.

Israel has tens of thousands of illegal African workers, many of whom are married and have children, and the government is wary of setting a precedent in the case of Tamuz.

Interior Ministry spokeswoman Sabine Hadad declined to comment on the case, citing the pending court ruling. But regardless of the outcome, she said there was no chance Tamuz would be deported.

Tamuz's lawyer, Maxim Lipkin, said the striker is being discriminated against because he is a celebrity.

"If he was anyone else, this would not be a problem," Lipkin said.

Despite his unusual upbringing, Tamuz said the first time in his life where he felt "different" was when his friends were drafted into the army - which is compulsory for most Israeli citizens.

The court's decision could give the country a new soldier, and a chance to qualify for Euro 2008.



Does Israel feel it doesn't get enough bad media? Why can't interior ministry just give this kid his citizenship, which he deserves, instead of looking like assholes.
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Seriously....
Mr. Rosso got his israeli passport.... this was after the whole frenzy of 04 Euro.... so why is this happening. I mean..come on now.... The interior ministry should be fair and i agree...but seriously now..... this guy has been in Israel in 16. He is serving in the IDF and is more Israeli than i am, yet..i have an Israeli passport and he doesnt?!?!? This is ludacris.

He is doing good than harm, basically..

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Seriously....
Mr. Rosso got his israeli passport.... this was after the whole frenzy of 04 Euro.... so why is this happening. I mean..come on now.... The interior ministry should be fair and i agree...but seriously now..... this guy has been in Israel in 16. He is serving in the IDF and is more Israeli than i am, yet..i have an Israeli passport and he doesnt?!?!? This is ludacris.

He is doing good than harm, basically..
I think we are all in agreement...... Kappa, give Toto your passport p
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this article just kills me. Bad for Israel, losing a player, if the ministry doesn't wake up and just give him a passport then I hope people start revolting...this is worth a revolt my friends. REVOLUTION! Tamuz wants to serve, is a great player, is Israeli, and will give Israel a great image as a diverse country....what the hell are these people thinking?!!?
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I think we are all in agreement...... Kappa, give Toto your passport p

Oo my precious Israeli passport...gets me into israel and out. And when a hijacked plane is taken...they move me in the bin where the enemies of g-d are....


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this article just kills me. Bad for Israel, losing a player, if the ministry doesn't wake up and just give him a passport then I hope people start revolting...this is worth a revolt my friends. REVOLUTION! Tamuz wants to serve, is a great player, is Israeli, and will give Israel a great image as a diverse country....what the hell are these people thinking?!!?

i read somewhere that they dont wanna give tammuz the passport and nationality cause many other goyim inmigrants will start revolting for the same thing....
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Yes, that was what i was going to post here. Toto Tamuz deserves it, but the problem is if they open an exception here many other foreign workers will ask the same like shnorer said.
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Well I'll be very direct about it. He's an amazing footballer and there should be an exception to him because he's techinically representing and serving for the country when he plays for the NT. I actually think the exact opposite, that because this guy is a celebrity then the government will not be willing do give him the citizenship because all eyes are on him. If he was some footballer who wasn't well known then I believe they would give him the passport by now.

On a side note. Guy Levi has invited toto to come practice with the U-21 in preperations for the summer....he's optimisitc I suppose and hopes that Tamuz will be legible to play in Holland
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look at it this way:

Today, Toto does not have a home other than Israel. He technically has Israeli foster parents and he also lived in Israel long enough. This is not a soccer player and this is not a media frenzy. This is a person who simply does not have any form of connection with Nigeria.

besides..he already registered a Cap with Israel. So i dont get why or why not he needs the Israeli passport.
In either case...its just an embarrasing process..

When he serves in the IDF, for sure theyll give him...

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what I don't get is that the IFA will be breaking absolutley no rules by playing Tamuz so why don't they just pick him. Or is it a case that he wont represent Israel untill given full citezenship? How come Ben Sachar who has also not served yet and probably wont serve is allowed to play in the full NT and Toto cant. Its total madness. I also fall into the category of someone who has never served, speaks basic ivryit and yet I have full citezenship and a passport-Toto's situation seems really unfair to me. In England once you are born here your English. Anyhow, I think Toto would have been the secret weapon against England, know one in England knows about him and I think he could have hurt the English backline. Guess we will never find out.
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what I don't get is that the IFA will be breaking absolutley no rules by playing Tamuz so why don't they just pick him. Or is it a case that he wont represent Israel untill given full citezenship? How come Ben Sachar who has also not served yet and probably wont serve is allowed to play in the full NT and Toto cant. Its total madness. I also fall into the category of someone who has never served, speaks basic ivryit and yet I have full citezenship and a passport-Toto's situation seems really unfair to me. In England once you are born here your English. Anyhow, I think Toto would have been the secret weapon against England, know one in England knows about him and I think he could have hurt the English backline. Guess we will never find out.
Tamuz won't play until he gets citizenship. And he was born in Nigeria, not Israel.

The IFA has an agenda here, and I don't know what it is.
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Tamuz won't play until he gets citizenship. And he was born in Nigeria, not Israel.

The IFA has an agenda here, and I don't know what it is.
i tough in the end they would give tammuz the citizenship, seens like they dont wanna do it, this history is becoming a soap opera, the guys in the goverment are taking this very seriously cause if they do it the african emigrants will want this also and maybe some revolts will happend
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