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Are you a libtard, or do you believe in state intervention and overregulation @alchemist

Just answer the fekin question, Alch.
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https://balkaninsight.com/2019/03/14...a-a-hard-sell/


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Libertarian Enthusiasts Find Serbia a Hard Sell

Srdjan GarcevicBelgradeBIRNMarch 14, 2019


Avowedly free-market and individualist ideologies struggle to make headway in communitarian Serbia – but a couple of upfront libertarians are determined to find a space for their ideas in the country.
US writer John Rogers once compared the effects of Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings and Ayn Rand’s seminal pro-libertarian novel Atlas Shrugged on bookish teens.

He called one of them “a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world”.

The joke, of course, was that the book with the supposedly pernicious effect on society was not the one about orcs and elves.

Sitting in an office in Belgrade, the leaders of the Serbian Libertarian Club, Libek, Milos Nikolic and Petar Cekerevac, seem quite in tune with Serbia’s political realities.

Both are aware that the gospel of free markets and free society is a tough sell in a country where the only experience of capitalism is of the crony sort, and where many look back with nostalgia to the Socialist past.

“The point is not to force [libertarianism] into Serbian culture but to recognise the elements that are compatible with it here … and then see how those ideas are best adapted to Serbia,” Cekarevac, Libek’s executive manager, says.

A cross between a club and a think tank, Libek has no ambitions to become a party. It was founded in 2008, while Nikolic, its current president and one of the three founders, was at Belgrade University’s School of Political Science.

Nikolic found the atmosphere at the university oversaturated with “leftist, egalitarian, collectivist” ideas.

In 2009 they film a documentary about libertarianism that focused on education, and organised courses on liberalism and against totalitarianism – a catch-all term controversially covering both fascism and socialist governments like Yugoslavia – to draw in like-minded people.

The wider political climate at the time also helped draw in supporters: the public was increasingly disillusioned with Serbia’s quick recovery from the effects of Slobodan Milosevic’s disastrous reign, which ended in 2000, and the country would soon enter an economic and debt crisis.

Cekerevac, who joined almost at the start in 2008, was drawn to Libek because he found the options on the political scene at that point unsatisfactory.

They ranged between the then nominally socially liberal pro-EU government, which had failed to deliver long-promised prosperity or the rule of law, and the discredited, nationalist parties, with their roots in the 1990s.

Although the power dynamics on Serbia’s political scene changed when Aleksandar Vucic’s Progressive Party took on the pro-EU reformist mantle, and combined that with their nationalist appeal, Serbian politics has remains heavily polarised, between roughly the same pro- and anti-Milosevic camps.


Petar Cekerevac. Photo: Courtesy of Libek

It is there that Nikolic and Cekerevac see an opportunity for the further expansion of libertarian thought in Serbia.

Libek-organised education courses and policy proposals to political parties and the government on topics such as public debt and primary education already gave them niche appeal among politically minded youth. Now they see an opportunity in the current environment to engage a wider audience.

Last year, Libek launched Talas.rs , an online portal that seeks to provide a platform for debate across the political spectrum, a rarity given the declining diversity in the mainstream media in Serbia.

“We want to pierce [ideological] bubbles, be provocative and politically incorrect… and push a narrative that is meta-ideological: the narrative of freedom,” Nikolic says.

“People are always saying that they want more freedom and would fight for freedom… but they tend to always provide you with a manual of how they expect you to behave to be ‘free’. That’s the paradox inside even much of our ‘liberal’ public”, Nikolic adds.

He describes their core audience as those who are thirsty for in-depth criticism and discussion, but also those who want to hear more critical analyses of the Serbian economy, a major talking point of the current government.

While he places most of the blame for the lack of serious political debates on the government and on the media close to them, Nikolic thinks the opposition is not serious about engaging in debate, especially on economic topics, where they often lack expertise.


Milos Nikolic. Photo: Courtesy of Libek

“They are just waiting for Vucic to deal with Kosovo and then to step in more seriously,” he sighs, referencing the ongoing talks between Serbia and its former province.

The topics on Talas are diverse: from commentary on transitional justice and recent political developments to YouTube videos about success stories of countries such as Estonia and Chile.

“These are small movements and people are responsive [to our messages],” Nikolic notes. He explains that many Talas readers and contributors are prominent members of political parties who use the portal to find information for their policy agendas.

The birth of Talas and Libek’s attempts to spread libertarianism more widely in Serbia match the rising profile of libertarian movements around the world.

The US Libertarian party announced it almost doubled its membership in 2018, while prominent public figures including tech billionaires Peter Thiel and Elon Musk, as well as star podcaster Joe Rogan, align themselves with the cause.

Libek’s wish to spread libertarian thinking in Serbia is helped by that fact that Students for Liberty, a global youth organisation with whom they are partnered, is organising LibertyCon in April in Belgrade.

Speakers at the pan-European conference will include author and libertarian guru Nassim Nicholas Taleb and Branko Milanovic, a Serbian economist who focuses on global inequality.

Speaking of Ayn Rand, Cekerevac, who Nikolic recalls as “an expert for the topic” is circumspect.

“It was not her who made me go into libertarianism. But she provides an ethical defence [of capitalism], while others just defend it in terms of efficiency,” he says.

“Her framework is also a good filter for the tricks used to draw people into collectivism. They are … not a blueprint for society, but it’s good that her books are making their way around Serbia.”

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Are you a libtard, or do you believe in state intervention and overregulation @alchemist

Just answer the fekin question, Alch.
the older I get, the less interventionist I am, the less into regulation I am... however, and although I am not really into economics, there is a place for regulations (eg. the Global Financial Crisis)… the social safety net is important but with controls... immigration is not a right --> you can go thru the proper channels like those before you... not into guns and gun rights... identity politics and intersectionality is just an excuse not to have any substance to your positions --> moreover, it galvanises those you wish to set as your victimiser to see themselves as a group too and you undo any advantage your minority status may have given you... awareness of climate change and looking to move to a more green status is a good thing but please know what you are talking about, how it can be achieved, what consequences it will have, and how much it cost or you just come across as some twerking twit on a rooftop... any politician that speaks of religion in anything other than an individual and personal respect should be disqualified from running for office... I was a fan of trying to reduce the costs of higher education but since I spent years paying mine off, now everyone else can too ... the media sucks across the board and hence, why those that would be schmucks in any other environment are now respected alternative media figures on YouTube etc

Capello beamed: "From Savicevic you came to expect these unthinkable plays of brilliance, because from the position he was in most players would have just taken the ball in stride and gone a little further with it, instead he went for this spectacular attempt which has gone down in history and is shown over and over again. It was simply.... Una cosa da Savicevic [the way of Savicevic]."
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Was blocked in the lounge forum by some leftist cuck who hates that Ante follows the Croatian NT, supports Trump, is a WWEr, is an "Easter worshipper", and uses the hashtag #MBGA at times.

This thread is an outpouring of support which I appreciate.

We won't stop until the leftist apologizes to Ante for the name calling as well and reinstates his posting access to ALL forums.

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The Trump thread isn't the same without @Ante .

FREE ANTE JCam!

For the love of God, do you want to end this whole forum and with it, your privileges? Do you want to revert back to bullying randos in forums where you have no authority to threaten or satisfy your leftist authoritarian impulses? I didn't think so!
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the older I get, the less interventionist I am, the less into regulation I am... however, and although I am not really into economics, there is a place for regulations (eg. the Global Financial Crisis)… the social safety net is important but with controls... immigration is not a right --> you can go thru the proper channels like those before you... not into guns and gun rights... identity politics and intersectionality is just an excuse not to have any substance to your positions --> moreover, it galvanises those you wish to set as your victimiser to see themselves as a group too and you undo any advantage your minority status may have given you... awareness of climate change and looking to move to a more green status is a good thing but please know what you are talking about, how it can be achieved, what consequences it will have, and how much it cost or you just come across as some twerking twit on a rooftop... any politician that speaks of religion in anything other than an individual and personal respect should be disqualified from running for office... I was a fan of trying to reduce the costs of higher education but since I spent years paying mine off, now everyone else can too ... the media sucks across the board and hence, why those that would be schmucks in any other environment are now respected alternative media figures on YouTube etc
Jesus alch, just say you're an anti-theist environmentalist socialist nut who wants to take people's guns and save us the read.
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Was blocked in the lounge forum by some leftist cuck who hates that Ante follows the Croatian NT, supports Trump, is a WWEr, is an "Easter worshipper", and uses the hashtag #MBGA at times.

This thread is an outpouring of support which I appreciate.

We won't stop until the leftist apologizes to Ante for the name calling as well and reinstates his posting access to ALL forums.

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blocked from the lounge or the basement isn‘t so bad though. most of the threads are merely namedropping of anglo-american names I have never heard of anyway.

imagine you were barred from a relevant forum like the WWE
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Well I’ve been blocked from the Croatian and Bosnian forum since 2005. Nobody did a thread for me.

And I’ve changed.
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These Libtard dudes from Serbia tho. A libertarian society is only possible beyond the Ottoman state boundaries, which is Zemun and westwards.
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Not possible in Slavonia either.
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Hey I resent that! There's nothing "alt" about my right


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These Libtard dudes from Serbia tho. A libertarian society is only possible beyond the Ottoman state boundaries, which is Zemun and westwards.
I have the feeling your attempts here go mostly unnoticed. never mind, I'll follow you on this one.
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