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Former Serb Leader Radovan Karadzic sentenced to life in prison

For Genocide and Crimes against Humanity



Final Sentence increased to life from previous sentencing
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A Serb protestor gets scared away after threatening Bosnians outside the Hague Tribunal:



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Radovan Karadžić has been sentenced to life in prison at an appeal court in The Hague for his role in mass killings of civilians in the conflict that tore Bosnia apart a quarter century ago.

Five judges at the UN-mandated court upheld the 2016 verdict at the former Bosnian Serb leader’s first trial almost in its entirety, dismissing all but one of Karadžić’s appeals as “mere disagreement” with the court’s conclusions rather than valid legal objections.

By a majority of three to two, the judges decided to increase his original 40-year jail term to life in prison, saying the trial chamber had “abused its discretion” in passing sentence.

One element from Karadžić’s 2016 conviction involving illegal detentions of civilians was overturned because he was not allowed to cross-examine witnesses, but the appeal court confirmed his guilt for his role in the worst massacres of civilians in Europe since the 1940s.

The chief prosecutor at the tribunal, Serge Brammertz, said the verdict sent an “important message that justice can prevail over evil”.

“Today, the victims of his crimes finally saw him answer for what he did,” Brammertz said. “Opponents of the tribunal will claim that this judgment is a verdict against the Serbian people. I reject that in the strongest terms. Karadžić’s guilt is his, not his community’s.”

Karadžić, 73, listened to most of the verdict sitting impassively in a dark suit, his white hair swept back. He was told to stand to hear his sentence being extended. At that moment, a cheer went up from the public gallery, separated from the courtroom by bullet-proof glass.

He has been held at The Hague since his capture in Belgrade in 2008, and his appeal is one of the last war crimes cases from the Bosnian war to be held in The Hague.

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A joke of a court when all is said and done. RIP to the victims of aggressive expansion and ethnic cleansing.


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Hopefully this final verdict can somehow be used to dismantle his genocidal creation, the so-called RS. It's not real justice if the Serbs aren't forced to return the proceeds of crime.

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Hopefully this final verdict can somehow be used to dismantle his genocidal creation, the so-called RS. It's not real justice if the Serbs aren't forced to return the proceeds of crime.
as much as I enjoy discussions as to "who did what, whose is what etc." regarding BiH and forcing the Serbs of BiH to simply acquiesce to the dictates of our Bosniak, Croatian and Western betters against our own interests, it would be simpler for all involved to accept RS as a reality that it is and either look to work past what divides us for a better future together or just move the f*%# on separately

just curious, considering the highest echelons of Croatian war time leadership were judged by the Hague to have been in a joint criminal enterprise to seize control over claimed territory in BiH, forcibly displacing Bosnian Muslims with the goal of unifying Croatian people in Croatia and BiH, what do you propose returning? constituent rights? representational Government? Western Mostar?

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as much as I enjoy discussions as to "who did what, whose is what etc." regarding BiH and forcing the Serbs of BiH to simply acquiesce to the dictates of our Bosniak, Croatian and Western betters against our own interests, it would be simpler for all involved to accept RS as a reality that it is and either look to work past what divides us for a better future together or just move the f*%# on separately

just curious, considering the highest echelons of Croatian war time leadership were judged by the Hague to have been in a joint criminal enterprise to seize control over claimed territory in BiH, forcibly displacing Bosnian Muslims with the goal of unifying Croatian people in Croatia and BiH, what do you propose returning? constituent rights? representational Government? Western Mostar?

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Yes, Serbs in Bosnia who support war criminals, justify ethnic cleansing and genocide as well as issue threats promising more killings in the future should peacefully **** off to the lands of Serbs: Serbia. They have no business living in a country that they hate anyways.

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Yes, Serbs in Bosnia who support war criminals, justify ethnic cleansing and genocide as well as issue threats promising more killings in the future should peacefully **** off to the lands of Serbs: Serbia. They have no business living in a country that they hate anyways.
really? so a Serb of BiH deemed undesirable should simply have to leave the land of the Bosniaks and go to where they belong... and yet autonomy within BiH for Serbs (and Croats I assume) is the controversial opinion

let's apply that thinking elsewhere... for example, there were thousands, millions even of ex-Yugoslavs that were not enamoured with the former Yugoslavia... it could be generational in places... but does that mean each and every Greater Serbian nationalist, Ustashe sympathiser, Iranophile in Sarajevo, separatist in Kosovo etc. prior to 1991 should also have been disenfranchised from their then country of Yugoslavia?

Capello beamed: "From Savicevic you came to expect these unthinkable plays of brilliance, because from the position he was in most players would have just taken the ball in stride and gone a little further with it, instead he went for this spectacular attempt which has gone down in history and is shown over and over again. It was simply.... Una cosa da Savicevic [the way of Savicevic]."
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really? so a Serb of BiH deemed undesirable should simply have to leave the land of the Bosniaks and go to where they belong... and yet autonomy within BiH for Serbs (and Croats I assume) is the controversial opinion

let's apply that thinking elsewhere... for example, there were thousands, millions even of ex-Yugoslavs that were not enamoured with the former Yugoslavia... it could be generational in places... but does that mean each and every Greater Serbian nationalist, Ustashe sympathiser, Iranophile in Sarajevo, separatist in Kosovo etc. prior to 1991 should also have been disenfranchised from their then country of Yugoslavia?
Bosnia is not the land of the Bosniaks, it is the land of the Bosnians. A lot of Serbs do not consider themselves Bosnians and refuse to live among non-Serbs, they proved that in the war and they are continuing to prove it to this day through their fascist behavior and rhetoric. In the normal world, people within a country work for the betterment of their country, they don't issue threats of genocide, deny the existence of the country they live in while glorifying convicted war criminals that the whole world condemns. Serbs that are willing to work for the betterment of Bosnia and that condemn chetnik fascist ideology are more than welcomed in BIH and I will personally make sure they feel at home every single day but the others need to **** off to Serbia and live there among their own. The fact that I have yet to see you clearly condemn the likes of Karadzic and Mladic is troublesome to say the least.

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Bosnia is not the land of the Bosniaks, it is the land of the Bosnians.
Dude, stfu. I'm not a bosnian and neither were my ancestors who've lived there since before your prophet rode his first camel.
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Dude, stfu. I'm not a bosnian and neither were my ancestors who've lived there since before your prophet rode his first camel.
I don't care how you personally feel about this, people who reason like you regularly falsify history to suit their own interests.

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I don't care how you personally feel
I don't personally feel anything, facts are facts Mahmoud.
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Bosnia is not the land of the Bosniaks, it is the land of the Bosnians.
you will have to whitewash much of what is written in the history books then... for example,

from -->

"U plamenu pravednog oslobodilačkog rata iskiva se bratstvo Srba, Muslimana i Hrvata, i time se udara siguran temelj slobodne i zbratimljene BiH, ravnopravne federalne jedinice u Demokratskoj federativnoj Jugoslaviji. Prvi put u historiji Srbi, Muslimani i Hrvati Bosne i Hercegovine, ujedinjeni u Narodno-oslobodilačkom pokretu, stupili su na isti put, počeli da izgrađuju svoj zajednički dom, u čije su temelje uzidane kosti njihovih najboljih sinova. Prvi put u historiji oni su postali kovači svoje sudbine, čvrsto riješeni da jednom zauvijek sahrane vijekovnu mračnu i tešku prošlost i da izgrade državnu zajednicu u kojoj će živjeti u ravnopravnosti, slobodi, miru i blagostanju."

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"the Republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina: No Serbs allowed"

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A lot of Serbs do not consider themselves Bosnians and refuse to live among non-Serbs, they proved that in the war and they are continuing to prove it to this day through their fascist behavior and rhetoric.
considering we were the most widespread of the three ethnic groups within BiH at the outbreak of the war, your proposition that we have refused to live with the other 2 ethnicities in BiH is hard to believe... of course, the war changed everything and led to great transfers of populations within and also out of BiH and the post-war system has simply just entrenched those divisions... just curious, are we Serbs also to blame for the divisions and/or refusals to live with each other we see between Croats and Bosniaks in places like Mostar as well?

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In the normal world, people within a country work for the betterment of their country, they don't issue threats of genocide, deny the existence of the country they live in while glorifying convicted war criminals that the whole world condemns. Serbs that are willing to work for the betterment of Bosnia and that condemn chetnik fascist ideology are more than welcomed in BIH and I will personally make sure they feel at home every single day but the others need to **** off to Serbia and live there among their own.
does this apply to all forms of nationalistic and/or extremist thought in BiH or just the ones that allows you to rid yourselves of the Serbs in BiH?

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The fact that I have yet to see you clearly condemn the likes of Karadzic and Mladic is troublesome to say the least.
a post of mine from last year

"when it comes to Srebrenica, it is a subject matter with:

(1) intense complexities (prelude to the attack, had the town been demilitarised, the role of the Bosniak forces within the 'safe haven', Serbian attacks previously and in July 1995, planning, chain of command, alleged complicity, the nature of the executions of Bosniak POWs, the Bosniak break out, punishment of the perpetrators, legal tests and fact finding as to what the executions are to be properly characterised as with regard to the rules and conventions of war, crimes against humanity, genocide, the politicisation of the massacres, the international legal ramifications of the West's intervention as a result, reconciliation etc.) and;

(2) evident simplicities --> being that it was the single worst atrocity committed during the Bosnian War, it was committed by Serbian forces, it involved the executions of unarmed and captured Bosnian men and boys (and although the exact number of executions is the subject of contention, we are still talking in the thousands), and that any and all involved should never see the light of day again... truly shameful

it is probably unrealistic to explore the abovementioned complexities sufficiently on such a board but i am happy to discuss further if you wish"

https://www.xtratime.org/forum/310-w...l#post22505890

I dare you to find me one post from a Bosniak or Croat poster on XT acknowledging specific wrongs and crimes committed by their own, and in particular, against Serbs [to be fair, I remember a post of Yashimi's criticising Alija and Suho begrudgingly once noted the gruesome methods of the Ustase]

Capello beamed: "From Savicevic you came to expect these unthinkable plays of brilliance, because from the position he was in most players would have just taken the ball in stride and gone a little further with it, instead he went for this spectacular attempt which has gone down in history and is shown over and over again. It was simply.... Una cosa da Savicevic [the way of Savicevic]."
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I wonder what will lead to the destruction of mankind first:

Nationalistic Extremism, Biowarfare, Corruption or ALL of the Above

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