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Nexus 4: 8GB for $299; 16GB for $349; available unlocked and without a contract on 11/13 on the Google Play store in the U.S., U.K., Australia, France, Germany, Spain and Canada. The 16GB version will also be available through T-Mobile for $199, with a 2-year contract

Nexus 7: 16GB for $199 and 32GB for $249; available in the U.S., U.K., Australia, France, Germany, Spain, Canada and Japan, and also through our retail partners Gamestop, Office Depot, Office Max, Staples and Walmart.

Nexus 7 with 32GB and mobile data: $299 and unlocked, on sale 11/13 in the Google Play store in the U.S., U.K., Australia, France, Germany, Spain and Canada.

Nexus 10: 16GB for $399; 32GB for $499; available on 11/13 in the Google Play Store in the U.S., U.K., Australia, France, Germany, Spain, Canada and Japan.
Google does it again. Android 4.2 right out of the box. Awesome 10 inch tablet that can easily compete with the iPad 4. And on top of that $300 on a quad-core unlocked cellphone with no contract. Yeah the phone has only 8GB and no LTE support, but for the price? :drool:
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what about SG Note 10.1 compared to this? (and ipad)
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I got the nexus 7 16 Gb and it really is very nice for that money. Very fast and smooth, good little tablet when I'm just surfing or taking it easy.

Only negatives for me are no expansion slot for an SD card and no flash support is very annoying so far, hopefully something will be done about this.
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Ewwwww, LG. Why Google, Why??? The update cycle is tempting, but I think I'll probably get the HTC J Butterfly/Incredible X/DNA with the 5" 1080p screen since I'll be rooting the thing anyway.

Google really missed out with this hurricane business. Are they going to reschedule the press event?

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I was hoping for Nexus S3 variant and I'm still hoping. But at this price point I'll bite, though I'll wait for the reviews first.


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what about SG Note 10.1 compared to this? (and ipad)
SG Note has a quad-core. The Nexus 10 has a dual core. Also it has a better screen, gorilla glass and just about everything else is either the same or better than SG Note.

Ipad 4 has a dual core as well.
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Only negatives for me are no expansion slot for an SD card and no flash support is very annoying so far, hopefully something will be done about this.
Flash was removed from Google Store. But you can install it manually. I believe it is still possible to download from the Adope Flash site.
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LG makes good hardware, their main problem was always their UI.
But with pure Vanilla Android, this is taken care of 100%.

4.2 seems to have some sick features, like Photo Sphere.
It sounds REALLY wicked.

Btw, the Nexus 4 comes in the 8GB and 16 GB variant.
I know, it would be nice to have an sdCard slot, but so far I have been doing OK with 16GB.

I have currently the Galaxy Nexus. Great phone, but it seems I will pass it over to my mother and I will get myself a Nexus 4. That S4 Pro is gonna be fast supposedly, wonder if will in fact beat the A6 or Exynos.

Also the Nexus 10 tablet looks sick, and will probably cop me one too later on though. To me, if you want android, Nexus is the way to go.

I had an HTC Amaze 4G (CRAP!) and HTC MT4GS (FAIR), And couldn't stand HTC Sense and I always has issues with their terminals. DONE!

Can not talk about Touchwiz but it seems much better.

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LG has crap hardware and support for its devices. I will probably never buy anything directly manufactured by that company again. My G2x completely died after just 8 months of use, I couldn't even recover it via usb. I use it as a paperweight now, it's a piece of junk.

Ideally, I would want to get a device with an Exynos 5 chip, but I don't think one will be released within the next month. The S4 pro will have to do I guess. I will probably be getting this phone when it is released for Verizon: http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/17/3...phone-in-japan

+bigger & better display (resolution/pixel density)
+LTE
+made by a quality manufacturer (HTC)
+microSD slot

-Slower updates than a Nexus device

The only thing going for the Nexus 4 is the Google support imo. You get the updates first and OTA, which some people value over everything else. I will be rooting and installing custom ROMs, so it doesn't bother me that much tbh. The display, LTE, and microsd slot do it for me tbh. Otherwise, these two phones are very similar hardware-wise.

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I think you are being way too harsh but I guess it all comes down to experiences. I personally only had issues with HTC for example.

I will wait and see how people rate the Nexus 4, but it seems LG did a good job so far, and is past the G2x days. Samsung used to make some cheap crappy phones, and now they rule the market. The first Galaxy when it first came out was nowhere near as the Galaxy devices of now, so, I would give LG a chance too.

I, for example, do not care for custom ROMs, and I prefer GSM networks.

PS: Sure, the HTC J Butterfly seems to have a 440ppi, but you do know that these huge numbers matter only to a certain point, since our eyes are only capable of perceiving only so much of the resolution, right?

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I see what you're saying. I still don't trust LG one bit. They completely screwed over their customers in the US by not supporting the upgrade to 4.0. The shotty build quality may have been due to their inexperience, but they should have worked out the kinks instead of rushing a product to the market like that just to be the "first phone with a dual-core processor".

It's all preference, like you said. But, I prefer performance and quality. Verizon's CDMA network is superior to all other GSM networks in the United States in terms of speed, reliability, and coverage. I'm so glad we'll be switching from T-Mobile within a month. I don't regularly travel abroad, so GSM doesn't matter at all to me. I think a lot of Verizon's new LTE phones come GSM unlocked nowadays as well though.

The 440 ppi is incredible man, and it sure as hell is perceivable. Put the Nexus 4 next to the J Butterfly and I guarantee you everyone can and will tell the LCD on the J Butterfly is superior. Give me greater resolution/pixel density any day of the week. It's crazy that this phone is going to have the same resolution as my monitor. This is the pixel density standard that LCD manufacturers like LG should be going for, but in everyday computer monitors. I want 4k x 2k monitors and TVs. We've already reached (and even surpassed) these pixel density standards on the small scale (smartphones & tablets). It's a shame that monitors and TVs aren't even getting close to these standards yet.

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I never placed the phones side to side, so I can not judge.
But the point about the human eye only being able to perceive so much resolution is science, not something I came up with.

I travel very much on the other hand.
And while I agree that Verizon is better on average, it also depends where you live. I see you are in the East Coast, well here in the West Coast, they all work fairly similarly.

Hey, all we can do is wait and see how this LG Nexus 4 will turn out.
And as we said, to each their own.

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Nexus 4 is definitely the more economical and widely available choice, it's true. The $300 unlocked price is definitely the superior value. I think the J Butterfly will be $200-$250 on a 2 year contract, and I can't wait to perceive :dat1080p:.

At least we can all agree on one thing though: **** Apple and its piece of shit iphone.

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That is the other thing, I dislike being under contract.

I agree 100%. Apple are a sneaky bunch, and they know how to play with stupid people's mind IMO, the clueless people who buy Apple products and rave about them like there is no better (when they now nothing else) you know? Especially when it comes to the iPhone. My god, the idiotic ignorant things I hear or read are astounding.

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I might give iPhone a shot when they come AT LEAST on par with a Nexus device. Until then, I am not spending $216 dollars and up (I am including taxes) on contract for a lesser device.

The one that I am curious about is WP8 even if they need to crank their app selection. And I am sadden by how RIM went down the drain. I had the 9700 when it came out back in 09, LOVED that phone. I tried the 9900 for a couple months. Just... did not do it for me AT ALL.

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Yeah man, we have an Apple sapik in the Turkish section. All he does is talk about how his iphone/macbook looks so good and works "just right".

To each his own though I guess..some people would rather look cool or fashionable than have a technically superior device. I'm kind of sad that Google had to cancel its event though. I hope it doesn't impact Nexus sales.

WP8 looks interesting, yeah. It just doesn't have the app support or customization that Android provides. I haven't had any experience with RIM devices either, so I can't comment too much on them.

I remember when I got my first smartphone, I made a choice between a Blackberry curve and the HTC G1. I'm so glad I picked the G1 4 years ago, Android has grown so much since then.

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The 440 ppi is incredible man, and it sure as hell is perceivable. Put the Nexus 4 next to the J Butterfly and I guarantee you everyone can and will tell the LCD on the J Butterfly is superior. Give me greater resolution/pixel density any day of the week. It's crazy that this phone is going to have the same resolution as my monitor. This is the pixel density standard that LCD manufacturers like LG should be going for, but in everyday computer monitors. I want 4k x 2k monitors and TVs. We've already reached (and even surpassed) these pixel density standards on the small scale (smartphones & tablets). It's a shame that monitors and TVs aren't even getting close to these standards yet.
Adding onto the point of crap monitor resolutions: https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorval...ts/ByVPmsSeSEG

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So with even a $399 tablet doing 2560x1600 pixel displays, can we please just make that the new standard laptop resolution? Even at 11"? Please. Stop with the "retina" crap, just call it "reasonable resolution". The fact that laptops stagnated ten years ago (and even regressed, in many cases) at around half that in both directions is just sad.

I still don't want big luggable laptops, but that 1366x768 is so last century. Christ, soon even the cellphones will start laughing at the ridiculously bad laptop displays.

And the next technology journalist that asks you whether you want fonts that small, I'll just hunt down and give an atomic wedgie. I want pixels for high-quality fonts, and yes, I want my fonts small, but "high resolution" really doesn't equate "small fonts" like some less-than-gifted tech pundits seem to constantly think.

In fact, if you have bad vision, sharp good high-quality fonts will help. #noexcuses

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Linus and his geek rants

That said, I wonder if I could put a 1080p display into my laptop :hopeful:
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Yeah, I enjoyed the one he did regarding Nvidia not too long ago.

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http://www.xda-developers.com/androi...uality-issues/

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Several pictures of the LG-built Google Nexus 4 have been showing up across the Internet. The featured image in this article really caught my eye because it shows the internals of the device relatively well. While this device has not yet been released, a lot can be said (and judged) about a device’s hardware, even without full board shots. Overall, it appears to show that LG’s build quality is considerably lower than that of the Samsung Nexus devices in the past. In this article, I intend to write about the design pros and cons of the highly anticipated Nexus 4.

Design Pluses
Large external speaker - One of the biggest complaints with Samsung’s designs is the low powered/small sized speaker. While it delivers a trade-off in battery life versus sound quality/quantity, the Nexus 4′s larger speaker should suffice to produce adequate sound.

Good speaker placement - The speaker placement on the Nexus 4 places the speaker at the corner of the device rather than the center, where your palm blocks it in portrait mode. While the Galaxy Nexus forces you to hold the device in an odd position to bounce sound from your palm to your ear while in portrait mode, the Nexus 4 will not have this problem. The corner orientation places the speaker in a optimal position for both landscape and horizontal palm redirection while watching movies. This same orientation can be seen on the Meizu MX.



Design Minuses
Bolted in battery - The defining line between “Operator Replaceable” and “Qualified Service Technician” is the use of tools. The Nexus 4 not only requires a screw driver, but the plastic tabs on the edges will break if removed improperly. Once those tabs are broken, signal quality will be lost from the connection with the Spring Antenna Connections.

Spring Antenna Connections - The problem with Spring Antenna Connections or simply Spring Connections in general is: When tension is lost, signal is lost. Loss of tension between the back plate and the board can occur when a tab breaks or the back plate is warped. Warping of back plates can occur easily, and is quite frequent as devices age from stress, dropping, impact, or even a day in a hot car. You may notice some old devices such as remote controls or phones will squeak and creek when you press on them. This noise is generally attributed to warping or breakage of tabs, which would be critical for the WiFi/NFC/data/GPS/Bluetooth connections on the Nexus 4.

Lack of impact zones - Many current devices including Samsung’s entire lineup include impact areas around the bolts and the edge of the device. This allows the device to sustain impact without altering the physical structure of the board, causing components to come lose. The absence of impact areas causes a device to be more fragile and less resistant to impacts. This also increases a device’s warpage risk, which can alter device dimensions and cause the Spring Connections to fail.

Tape used instead of structure and shielding - A well designed device will use its own structure to hold components in place. Tape is a disposable part. Disposable parts have no place inside of a properly designed device. The disadvantage here is tape can take components off the board when removed. Tape is also messy, and leaves residue on a board and other components. There is never a situation when using tape instead of physical structure is required, and the use of tape is often a harbinger for other build quality problems.

Recommendations for next revision
Make the speaker grill bigger - A speaker grill is designed to keep the operator’s fingers out, not to keep water out. The small size of the speaker grill on the Nexus 4 will impede speaker sound and motion, and thus the overall dB level. This physical obsturction means the speaker wastes power on compression of air rather than audible sound creation.

Replace the battery tape - Instead of using tape for the battery, a slight overhang at the bottom of the metalized battery section will suffice to keep the battery from moving around inside the device. Another way is to place glue or double-sided tape on the bottom of the battery.

Replace the communications tape - Instead of metalized tape on the communications section of the board, use a physical shield cap, which makes it serviceable and more tidy.

Use impact zones - Impact zones prolong device life.

Use a physical connector and a film substrate for the back cover - The back cover of the device consists of several separate connections spread across the entire device. This means warpage anywhere in that area can cause the device to lose connectivity. The primary focus of a mobile device is connectivity, and that should not be trusted to spring connections. The spring connections should be replaced with a physical connector of some sort. A physical connector would also save space.

Do not bolt down batteries - Batteries should be easily removable in the event of a problem. Getting the rear cover off is enough work. The compression method has been trusted across the spring connectors on the board, which are held in place solely by pressure. A proper connector holds itself in place. A slight bit of foam-rubber would do the same job as a spring, save space, save tools and remove the need for “tools” when replacing the battery.

Do not put the IMEI on the back cover – There will surely be aftermarket accessories for the device or people who want to replace the back cover, or add an extended battery. The IMEI should be on the board, or at least bolted to the device.

At first glance, the Nexus 4′s hardware appears to be a quality downgrade from the Galaxy nexus which we reviewed previously. After release we hope to be able to give a much better analysis.
Perhaps LG/Google could have done a better job here.

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Some of these issues did exist with the galaxy nexus and gnex. Anyway not saying that it won't have issues with lg and everything, but this guy is pulling stuff out of his ass it seems. The glass back cover can break easily. That's why I use a damn rubber cover unless the phone is made of steel.

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LG has crap hardware
You're wrong.

LG has had good hardware for years...the problem was software. They have never realized the importance of software. LG Nexus 4 is Vanilla android so software is sorted now and LG's hardware can shine...
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