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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old August 11th, 2012, 23:45 Thread Starter
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Apple v Samsung

Currently on trial, both suing each other for infringed patents.

I'm personally quite annoyed at Apple's blatant bullying in trying to destroy competition in the market. In this trial, Apple are basically arguing only they can sell smartphones/products as they originally produced them and that Samsung have copied their iphone/ipad product designs.

I've never owned an Apple product. I've owned plenty of Samsung products and always find them to be of high quality. Anyone who confuses an iphone for a Samsung Galaxy (that's what Apple are arguing in court) is a complete idiot.

Point is, this trial is ridiculous and Apple need to be taken down a peg or two. Read a story where they suspected this old man of having in his possession a design of an earlier iphone so they raided his house upside down, with the support of the police. The end result, the old man didn't have the design. This kind of overinflated opinion of themselves and arrogance needs to be punished.

Hopefully the court does the right thing and rules in favour of Samsung, for the simple reason that one company shouldn't be allowed to dominate the market.
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post #2 of 24 (permalink) Old August 12th, 2012, 01:05
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Apple and the patents they've been taking out are absolutely ridiculous.

For a company that provides itself on innovation, it's sad to see them resort to such tactics.
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This is not the most current but shows the mess, Apple being a new version of what MS was accused of years ago

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Basically, what they're doing is the equivalent of one car company suing another for using wheels in their cars. Then taking out patents on steering wheels and doors.

All the while, they still get the majority of their screens from .. drum roll please .. Samsung!
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All the while, they still get the majority of their screens from .. drum roll please .. Samsung!
Correct.

Also the chip
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Yeah that's the most hilarious part of it. Both need each other.

Apparently, Apple provide Samsung with the largest amount of business with the chips etc.
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This article sums it up best

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8/6/2012 8:01 AM EDT

There’s enough greatness and pettiness to go around in the cramped courtroom of Judge Lucy Koh of San Jose Federal Court where Apple and Samsung are suing each other for patent infringement.

Apple deserves some kind of acknowledgement for creating something unique with the iPhone, a distinctive looking handset that put Web access in your pocket along with a phone and music wrapped in easy to use software. In its own way, the equally distinctive iPad also was different from tablets that went before in its clear focus on consumer Web browsing with really easy-to-use software.

But how do you express that in the arcane language of a patent? The patent system is encrusted with obtuse procedures and stiff, vague language. It needs a course with Strunk and White, the masters of crisp writing and thinking. As many have noted, patents have become a quantity game, not a quality metric.

Apple did a reasonable job trying to write patents on all the neat little ideas it put into its casings and coded into software. But they should not have been written as a few dozen patents, rather they should have been written as a few dozen claims in one iPhone patent.

Imagine an iPhone patent with claims on the shape of the device, the metal bezel, the big screen, the colorful, well-lit icons on a black background that bounce back and snap to the screen. Imagine them written in plain English rather than fusty patent-ese.

There would be no problem for a jury of average San Jose Joes and Janes determining whether or not such a patent was violated.

Excuse me, now, while I proceed to take Apple off its holier-than-thou pedestal. I am as touched by anyone by the emotional language of Steve Jobs that still lives on at Apple and has been invoked often in Judge Koh’s courtroom, but let’s tell the other side of that story.

The lofty language of Steve Jobs also acts as a drug to dupe talented Apple employees into overworking and living unbalanced lives. It has been used to brainwash Apple employees into believing they are somehow better than other people that put their pants on one leg at a time.

Get real, Apple! You don’t own the rectangle with rounded corners. You didn’t invent the smartphone, capacitive touch screen displays or browsers on handsets.

You aren’t the only creators of beauty on Planet Earth. Compared to Samsung you don’t do much work on forwarding the fundamental technologies that give us the LCDs, batteries, communications networks and microprocessors we need to make cool gadgets of all kinds.

That said, you used all those components damn well. So give yourself a pat on the back, and take that chip off your shoulder while you are doing it.

And while you’re getting humble, let’s hear a little more candor about how the electronics industry uses low-cost labor. It didn’t start with you by any means, but maybe you can use your clout and fat bankroll to bring some meaningful reforms to labor practices. After all, your complex designs that require lots of hand assembly have certainly pushed the edge of this dark side of the Industrial Revolution 2.0.

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The thing that irritates me the most is that Apple are insulting the intelligence of Samsung customers by insinuating that we're so stupid we can't tell the difference between Samsung and an Apple product.
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Those court cases annoy the shit out of me but Apple has a point when it comes to the looks of the phones. Samsung seemed a bit short on ideas when designing these phones:

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An Apple laptop looks the same as an Acer. It has a rectangular screen and a keyboard. Every laptop has a similar design.

As the article above said "Get real, Apple! You don’t own the rectangle with rounded corners. You didn’t invent the smartphone, capacitive touch screen displays or browsers on handsets."
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Currently on trial, both suing each other for infringed patents.

I'm personally quite annoyed at Apple's blatant bullying in trying to destroy competition in the market. In this trial, Apple are basically arguing only they can sell smartphones/products as they originally produced them and that Samsung have copied their iphone/ipad product designs.

I've never owned an Apple product. I've owned plenty of Samsung products and always find them to be of high quality. Anyone who confuses an iphone for a Samsung Galaxy (that's what Apple are arguing in court) is a complete idiot.

Point is, this trial is ridiculous and Apple need to be taken down a peg or two. Read a story where they suspected this old man of having in his possession a design of an earlier iphone so they raided his house upside down, with the support of the police. The end result, the old man didn't have the design. This kind of overinflated opinion of themselves and arrogance needs to be punished.

Hopefully the court does the right thing and rules in favour of Samsung, for the simple reason that one company shouldn't be allowed to dominate the market.

I coulnd`t have said it better really.
Apple is scared to shit that Samsung is producing model after model with better designs, different screens sizes and with cheaper prizes.


I fear however that AMerican jury will play it safe and rule in favor of Apple

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I never understood the hype of Apple products. Their personal computers or Macs are overpriced shit. And that also goes for the iphone and ipad who are way overpriced. And I shouldn't even bother to mention ipod and the horrible itunes.

Anyway if you look at the trend you should realize why apple considers consumers idiots. They have been selling overpriced shit for a quarter century and the masses still fall for it. When the 1st iPhone was released on ATT people were so ****ing dumb to buy the device full price and sign a 2 year contract at the same time. Usually you sign a 2 year contract to get a discounted phone.

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I must say that I'm an Apple computer user and and iPod Touch user.

I can honestly say that I rely on both of these products a great deal, particularly when travelling. I can get around in foreign cities very easily and can upload anything I want to the iPod Touch for use when required.

I have been a Samsung phone user since 2005. I am now on the market for a new Samsung phone and guess what? There are no more Samsung phones that look like Smasung phones. They all look like and are built like an iPod Touch. Except they're not. Samsung appears to have changed it's style and I would prefer if they would change it back, because quite frankly, I preferred the 2005 - 2009 models.
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It's a smartphone. Why would a smartphone look like flip phone or a candybar phone? You would not call an airplane a helicopter even though they both do the same thing. Anyway there are still samsung flip phones available (at least in USA).

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According to the data provided in the US court:

Samsung sold about 21 million smartphones in US (total number of accused phones)

But they only sold 1.5 million tablets in comparison to Apple's 35 million iPads


I wonder why people got "tricked" into confusing Samsung smartphones for iphones, but not tablets?

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Apple win $1billion in the patent dispute.

****ing ridiculous. Only in America.
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There's an appeal without a jury still to go. But yeah it was bs.

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That Apple wins in terms of the physical design is fair enough, but to grant them a victory based upon patents of features that they themselves didn't invent is just pure lunacy.

Now, others are going to have to pay Apple for the right to use things like pinch to zoom, tap to zoom etc.

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I recently got hold of my cousin's Samsung phone. It was the first of its kind I had ever touched and I must say, I honestly could not tell the difference between it and my iPod touch.


I am quite sure that Apple won it's case based on emails from Samsung employees analysing the iPhone and attempting to find ways to copy its design. That was surely the nail in the coffin.
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