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post #21 of 40 (permalink) Old July 15th, 2011, 18:53
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I have been thinking of getting one of these readers like the Kobo or Kindle.
Don't.

Sure, I know, they look really cool and everybody has them and you want to get on board the next new thing. But before you do consider this.

With printed books:

- you can buy one with cash, anonymously, and own it.
- you are not required to sign a license agreement that restricts your use of the book.
- the format is known and no proprietary technology is needed to read the book.
- you can give, lend or sell the book to someone else.
- you can physically scan and copy the book, even without infringing on the copyright.
- nobody has the power to destroy your book.

With e-books (using Amazon as an example, but it refers to others as well):

- Amazon requires users to identify themselves to get an e-book.
- in some countries Amazon says that the users doesn't own the e-book.
- Amazon requires the user to sign a restrictive license on use of the e-book.
- the format is secret and only proprietary and user-restricting software can read it.
- lending is only allowed with some e-books and for a limited time and only after identifying the other person to Amazon
- no giving or selling of the e-book is permitted
- it is impossible to copy the book due to Digital 'Rights' Management and the license, which is even more restrictive than copyright law
- Amazon can remotely delete any e-book that you've bought, whenever they deem it necessary.

Until e-book companies stop denying users their freedom you should stay as far away from them as possible.
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And just in time too. I mean, I can't even turn my back on this forum for half a year and straight away members start openly talking about buying e-readers.
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But that's a great response to camelface. The lure of technology is all it's about; no one thinks about the IP issues.

I'm not sure how many youngsters care about it though. I mean, by analogy, people are happy to download their music today instead of having the hard copy or CDs. Of course, the IP issues are very different there, but a lot of people do not seem to be bothered about not having a hard copy for themselves. I buy books to keep them and I still buy CD's and box sets for the same reason.

The fact someone can clear the info on your reader bugs me the most. The information isn't yours and is only transient. might buy one for convenience but I'm still buying the books.

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And just in time too. I mean, I can't even turn my back on this forum for half a year and straight away members start openly talking about buying e-readers.

My weekly rant!

27th May 1965: Over 16,000 days.

"For a moment there I returned to my youth, the early youth, when all nice illusions were gathered together. Then life came and, like a strong wind, blew them away, one by one. What we call happiness is sometimes the accordance between our life and circumstances, our biography and history, our personal aspirations and historical currents. If I look at things that way, I can say: I was born too early to be happy. But birth is one of the many things we do not get to choose. It is part of our destiny."
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"وما الحيله فقد اراد اعدائي ان يغطوا كل خدماتي بغطاء اسود وقد نجحوا في ذلك."

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Boyo, I am going to buy a Kindle touch. You have 12 days to stop me.

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"For a moment there I returned to my youth, the early youth, when all nice illusions were gathered together. Then life came and, like a strong wind, blew them away, one by one. What we call happiness is sometimes the accordance between our life and circumstances, our biography and history, our personal aspirations and historical currents. If I look at things that way, I can say: I was born too early to be happy. But birth is one of the many things we do not get to choose. It is part of our destiny."
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"وما الحيله فقد اراد اعدائي ان يغطوا كل خدماتي بغطاء اسود وقد نجحوا في ذلك."

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Oh for **** sake....

You too?!

I guess by now it's too late. Next time you have one of those crazy ideas, email me and I'll talk you out of it.
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Too late I have it. Only paid 10 Euros for Customs

Don't have your email, and I did give you 12 full days to rescue me. Your loss

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"وما الحيله فقد اراد اعدائي ان يغطوا كل خدماتي بغطاء اسود وقد نجحوا في ذلك."

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Don't.

Sure, I know, they look really cool and everybody has them and you want to get on board the next new thing. But before you do consider this.

With printed books:

- you can buy one with cash, anonymously, and own it.
- you are not required to sign a license agreement that restricts your use of the book.
- the format is known and no proprietary technology is needed to read the book.
- you can give, lend or sell the book to someone else.
- you can physically scan and copy the book, even without infringing on the copyright.
- nobody has the power to destroy your book.

With e-books (using Amazon as an example, but it refers to others as well):

- Amazon requires users to identify themselves to get an e-book.
- in some countries Amazon says that the users doesn't own the e-book.
- Amazon requires the user to sign a restrictive license on use of the e-book.
- the format is secret and only proprietary and user-restricting software can read it.
- lending is only allowed with some e-books and for a limited time and only after identifying the other person to Amazon
- no giving or selling of the e-book is permitted
- it is impossible to copy the book due to Digital 'Rights' Management and the license, which is even more restrictive than copyright law
- Amazon can remotely delete any e-book that you've bought, whenever they deem it necessary.

Until e-book companies stop denying users their freedom you should stay as far away from them as possible.
you are wrong on many accounts, the main of which is "- the format is secret and only proprietary and user-restricting software can read it."

the format is not secret at all, ebooks are essentially static websites, and there are a zillion readers, converters etc. also keep in mind that many of these clauses like "deleting any book" (don't even know if it really exists) are there just to please the publishers. i seriously doubt they have the capacity to scan kindles all the time and see if there is pirated stuff and whatnot in there. even in the case they know, they would never do it without some publishing house asking it first or whatever, cause word of actions like that spread fast and it scares customers away. imagine if you'd heared that amazon deleted something from someone's kindle. even if this action was legit, would you still consider buying one? i dont think so

And now what will become of us, without any barbarians?
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To me, even with those risks available, I am soon to relocate to Palestine. Buying books there is difficult. Buying from Amazon is possible, but shipping costs are high. With Kindle, I can buy books without the hassle.

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"وما الحيله فقد اراد اعدائي ان يغطوا كل خدماتي بغطاء اسود وقد نجحوا في ذلك."

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you are wrong on many accounts
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the main of which is "- the format is secret and only proprietary and user-restricting software can read it."

the format is not secret at all
Yes, it is. In my example I'm referring to Amazon's Kindle, which uses the AZW format. It's closed source, proprietary software. You have no idea what it does. You can't examine it and you can't modify it.

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ebooks are essentially static websites, and there are a zillion readers, converters etc. also keep in mind that many of these clauses like "deleting any book" (don't even know if it really exists) are there just to please the publishers. Leandro-AL]i seriously doubt they have the capacity to scan kindles all the time and see if there is pirated stuff and whatnot in there. even in the case they know, they would never do it without some publishing house asking it first or whatever, cause word of actions like that spread fast and it scares customers away. imagine if you'd heared that amazon deleted something from someone's kindle. even if this action was legit, would you still consider buying one? i dont think so
Not buying one is precisely my point. But you are incredibly naive if you believe that DRM measures are being implemented for Amazon not to use them. While such gullibility is exactly what the likes of an Amazon wants, you're not doing yourself any favors by lulling yourself into a false sense of security through fallacious reasoning.

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"وما الحيله فقد اراد اعدائي ان يغطوا كل خدماتي بغطاء اسود وقد نجحوا في ذلك."

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"For a moment there I returned to my youth, the early youth, when all nice illusions were gathered together. Then life came and, like a strong wind, blew them away, one by one. What we call happiness is sometimes the accordance between our life and circumstances, our biography and history, our personal aspirations and historical currents. If I look at things that way, I can say: I was born too early to be happy. But birth is one of the many things we do not get to choose. It is part of our destiny."
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"وما الحيله فقد اراد اعدائي ان يغطوا كل خدماتي بغطاء اسود وقد نجحوا في ذلك."

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Yet you neglect to mention them.



Yes, it is. In my example I'm referring to Amazon's Kindle, which uses the AZW format. It's closed source, proprietary software. You have no idea what it does. You can't examine it and you can't modify it.



Not buying one is precisely my point. But you are incredibly naive if you believe that DRM measures are being implemented for Amazon not to use them. While such gullibility is exactly what the likes of an Amazon wants, you're not doing yourself any favors by lulling yourself into a false sense of security through fallacious reasoning.
dude they are all html format. it has some small differences with epub but it's not a whole new thing. there are converters from epub to azw. plus kindle reads epub and pdf too so i dont know what u're talking about

i kind am into IT security matters and im telling you, you are being overly paranoid. i have a friend who has tens of pirated books on his kindle and he resides in germany, and nothing has been deleted from his kindle lol

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Actually Kindle does not read epub, and azw is protected, so it can't be converted to that format. But Amazon introduced its open mobi format, where a pdf or epub can be converted.

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"For a moment there I returned to my youth, the early youth, when all nice illusions were gathered together. Then life came and, like a strong wind, blew them away, one by one. What we call happiness is sometimes the accordance between our life and circumstances, our biography and history, our personal aspirations and historical currents. If I look at things that way, I can say: I was born too early to be happy. But birth is one of the many things we do not get to choose. It is part of our destiny."
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i dont actually have a kindle but a friend of mine has and he has told me about a pdf to "kindle" converter. he says his kindle reads pdf amd all kinds of stuff. plus he is tech relevant so i dont think he's bullshitting me

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i dont actually have a kindle but a friend of mine has and he has told me about a pdf to "kindle" converter. he says his kindle reads pdf amd all kinds of stuff. plus he is tech relevant so i dont think he's bullshitting me
I have kindle touch. What he is saying is relatively true, but the awz thing. Kindle can read pdf, but it does not a good ob with it. For example, if you enlarge the font, the document does not render and zoom so that you have a page. Instead, you have to go up and down or left and right for the same page, which is annoying.

But you can convert it to .mobi format, which is the open format for kindle. Original Kindle books that you buy from Amazon are .awz format, which is copyrighted.

I have the Calibare e-book converter that virtually convert from any format to any other format, except the awz. I think the .mobi was introduced after consumers' complaints, but I am not sure.

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27th May 1965: Over 16,000 days.

"For a moment there I returned to my youth, the early youth, when all nice illusions were gathered together. Then life came and, like a strong wind, blew them away, one by one. What we call happiness is sometimes the accordance between our life and circumstances, our biography and history, our personal aspirations and historical currents. If I look at things that way, I can say: I was born too early to be happy. But birth is one of the many things we do not get to choose. It is part of our destiny."
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"وما الحيله فقد اراد اعدائي ان يغطوا كل خدماتي بغطاء اسود وقد نجحوا في ذلك."

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