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post #1 of 46 (permalink) Old September 13th, 2004, 01:53 Thread Starter
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What's the Russian NT missing?

What are we missing to take us over the hump and help us qulaify for the last 16 in Germany?

our Midfiedl/Attack is very strong IMO. i think we should try a aimple 4-4-2.

Ovchinnikov (or Akinfeev and Malafeev)
Sennikov Pimenov Ignashevitch Sharanov
Izmailov Smertin Kariaka Zhirkov
Sytchev Kerzhakov

my question is, who will replace Smertin, and our defense is pretty average (3 goals allowed vs. Lithuania as an example.)

when Izmailov returns to FULL health he should be dangerous when on top form,Smertin is going to basically run the mifield, Kariaka's having a break out season but his finishing is suspect, and Zhirkov isn't completely there mentally.

our stikers are wonderfull and i think most of us would agree, we also have Kirichenko and Arshavin as subs.

we have to get an offesive coach to utilize our skill players. and we have them, Izmailov, Kariaka, Alenitchev, Sytchev etc. Bulyikin needs to go. oh well he scored in our last two gams, but with him in the line up it means that Kerzha or Sytchev have to sit out, plus he's too one dimensional.

well what do u guys think we need? DISCUSS

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post #2 of 46 (permalink) Old September 13th, 2004, 07:47
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Spirit. I didn't watch the Lithuania or Slovakia game, but at Euro 2004 it was obvious that the Sbornaja just wasn't up there emotionally...
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Pimenov in defense? I think you have mistaken him with someone else. He is forward, you know.
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Where's Evseev? (Pimenov in defence? )

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well what do u guys think we need?
A smart coach!

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post #5 of 46 (permalink) Old September 13th, 2004, 19:05 Thread Starter
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correction, i always egt Loko players confused because of the surplus of "ov" names.

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so we all agree that we need a new coach?

mentality can't be taught or brought in, we just have to suck it up and win.

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Perhaps a resilient coach is best. The last few have always seemed make compromises of one sort or another, but maybe that's just me, i dunno.

In defense, aside from Evseev, Sennikov and Ignashevich, I don't know who would be good. Sharonov seems a good choice now; unfortunately, no one wants poor Onopko back. I know this will make everyone disappointed, but dare I say Nikiforov, whom Pélé described as the "next-best defender in the world" 15 years ago? I'm mostly just kidding, cos I haven't heard about that guy in 2-3 years. He could be retired for all I know.

In midfield, would you support the return of Titov as a starter (it's a 1 year ban, right?)? Maybe Semak too, but, but with the line-up above, he would only be on the bench. I think Loskov has probably a bit left in him, but neither he nor Gusev seem to ever perform up to expectations, especially on the International pitch.

In forwards, I agree that both Kerzhakov and Sychev should start. The argument is always that they are too similar in style to perform at the same time. I think this argument is absolute rubbish. England had the same doubts with Owen and Rooney together, but imagine Sven-Gorn Eriksson starting HESKEY instead of the other two (like RNT does with Bulykin) . Makes no damned sense!

In any case, there's my rant. I'm in favour of tinkering and not wholesale changes, though I'm sure we're all VERY tired of seeing Russia lose to teams like Albania (Euro qualifiers) and squeeze past teams like Lithuania in the last few minutes of the game.
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good post man.

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correction, i always egt Loko players confused because of the surplus of "ov" names.
oh that's a good proof that at least Loko has some Russian or Slavic players

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so we all agree that we need a new coach?

mentality can't be taught or brought in, we just have to suck it up and win.
true, but a good coach might help here, too...
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post #11 of 46 (permalink) Old September 14th, 2004, 12:38
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hi to all

I am absolutely sure that it is not for the coach.
We have used many coaches in this post and all failed:
Yartsev (too early to say but...)
Bishovets
Sadirin
Ignatiev
Gazzaev
Yartsev
Semin (2nd coach but nevetheless)
Tarhanov (in staff)
Pavlov (the same)
...and no result. And I don't agree that a foreign coach will help us.Threre are examples of this failure. The psyhcology of players, that's the reason. And it can be imposed by child coach. That's the roots.
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post #12 of 46 (permalink) Old September 14th, 2004, 17:21
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so, in one word, Russian NT misses EVERYTHING
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as our league improves so will our NT hopefully...

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It's easy to forget that for several months, Russia was rated 2nd & 3rd in the world by FIFA in 1995 and 1996, only behind Brazil. And back then, there were players like Kharin in net; Gorlukovich in defence; Korneev, Shalimov and Kanchelskis in midfield, and Kolyvanov, Kiryakov and Simutenkov up front.

They're pretty classy bunch of guys, but I would say that many of the current and up-and-coming talent out-class them. I need not name them all. It's definitely something to be proud, and anxious of, too.

But for the same reason, I think this is what makes Russians (and fans of Russia) so disappointed: that there is clearly more potential than the NT is showing.

I live in Canada, and here, all we have are Radzinksi and Stalteri. Youngsters like Hargreaves change nationality once they become 18 to anything BUT Canadian. We can never develop further.

Inevitably, a great nation like Russia has all the resources to develop a top 15 team in the world. As Dmitriy said, the NT will develop as the quality of the Russian League develops. I think it only needs time. How MUCH time, on the other hand, is an entirely separate question altogether.

Sorry for yet another rant, but thanks for the earlier praise, Dmitriy!
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Mostly I don't agree that with the improving quality of our home championship, the level of our NT will improve too. It's simple as that. Spain has a very solid championship but the NT is suffering all the time. I think these two points as national champ and NT are less connected.
Yes, our champ is improving but everyone can say why it is happening. I think it's not necessary to put it here. Russia is used to lose its talents in young age and then say that what should we do. For a decade we lost But (who could be a decent player if he hadn't polished the bench in Borussia), Kluev, Radimov (I consider him as a player very good but who didn't open his potential), Denis Laktionov who was very much promising in early age was lost in Suwon. Many players are not so famous were spoiled in not qaulity champs. The list can be continued and continued.

Did at least anybody try from our football authority to catch Eremenko to our NT??Rumours were but all know for what team is he playing now.
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We need good president of RFS (our football federation)
and honest coach
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we need a foreign coach, thats the key

If we get a foreign coach we will get alot better, im very sure of this!

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foreign coach? so he need also a translator because he can't talk with the player...naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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foreign coach? so he need also a translator because he can't talk with the player...naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
there won't be any prob with a translator
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well, maybe Starkov then, hes foreign speaking russian

Or a Ukrainian coach

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