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Bad bad bad bad news for the Rams. Ravanelli will be going back to Italy and get surgery and he will miss about one month of action for Derby County. Christie and Strupar will be our strikers and our main man off the bench will be Ian Evatt, who scored his first career goal against Mansfield in the Worth. Cup. The line-ups have not come out yet, and id be really interested to see if JG puts in Carbonari. Even though he promised never to play Carbonari and Bragstad, i still think we should put Carbonari and center-back.
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At Pride Park Stadium

DERBY COUNTY 0
Barton (sent-off 45)

PRESTON NORTH END 2
Etuhu 40, Healy 76

HT: 0-1

Attendance: 29,257

Having almost gone ahead twice in the opening minutes the Rams were harried out of their stride before effectively losing this game during a disastrous five-minute spell before half-time.

Firstly, Derby conceded the opening goal of the game to Dickson Etuhu after an unimpeded saunter along the by-line by Ricardo Fuller and then Warren Barton was dismissed as the Rams prepared to take a free-kick in their own half when Richard Cresswell was caught offside.

Not for the first-time in the game, Cresswell caught the ball in his arms with the intention of delaying the game. As he turned to run away from Barton the Rams' skipper attempted to grab the ball from the striker and in doing so wrestled Cresswell to the ground with the ball still in the striker's hand as Barton shook him off.

The dismissal effectively ended Derby’s hopes of a win and despite fighting their way into the game in the second period John Gregory’s side were finished off by David Healy 14 minutes from time.



Preston kicked off but the Rams began well and almost went ahead in the first minute when Adam Bolder pounced on Tepi Moilanen’s hashed clearance to slide past two North End defenders and put the Finnish 'keeper at full stretch to turn his shot away.

The Rams then threatened again a minute later Lee Morris burst past Chris Lucketti only for his pull-back to find Marlon Broomes covering. The Whites soon settled down and with three centre-halves being protected by the industrious Dickson Etuhu, Craig Brown’s side had a solid look to them.

The Rams were trying to establish possession and then burst into the channels around the North-End back three and an exquisite Kinkladze pass into that space released Bolder who found Morris on the edge of the box, as Christie made the dummy run to the left Morris hammered his shot wide of Moilanen’s goal.

The first threat from the Lancsastrians came with 12 minutes gone when Ricardo Fuller broke powerfully on the right and forced Mart Poom into action as the Jamiaca international bore down on goal with Riggott covering rapidly and closing down the angle. Poom then had to race out as Fuller beat the offside trap but the Estonian international was alert to the danger and cleared easily.



At the midway point of the half all the evidence of Preston’s unbeaten run on the road this season was clear. Organised, professional and hardworking all over the field Craig Brown’s side were not afraid to press on even with a central three at the back and the Rams were looking for something special to break them down in front of their home fans.



The Rams good work was putting Preston under pressure and Lucketti became the third defender to go in the book as he stopped Christie releasing Morris on halfway. Led by Lee and O’Neil the Rams were trying to maintain their passing game without conceding the ball in their own half as the Whites continued to close down quickly all over the park.

All of Derby's good work was then undone in the final minutes of the first-half. Preston went ahead when Fuller turned Barton from a throw-in out wide before running the ball along the goalline from where his pullback reached Etuhu who hit Preston North End’s first decent shot on target past the despairing Poom into the bottom corner of the Derby net.

The shell-shocked Rams looked ragged in the final minutes before the break and could have conceded a second when Cresswell chose an ambitious shot instead of feeding Paul McKenna before former Leicester City striker Creswell had his biggest impact on the game to date in an incident which saw Warren Barton dismissed.

Cresswell was offside and not for the first-time in the game caught the ball in his arms with the intention of delaying the game. As he turned to run away from Barton, the Rams skipper attempted to grab the ball and Creswelll was wrestled to the ground – ball still in hand. The North-end man leapt up to remonstrate with Barton but as the referee came across to book the Preston striker, Barton stood aside before being shown the red card to the disgust of a gaggle of Rams players.

The Rams faced an awful lot of work in the second-half to escape defeat in their second consecutive home match and Gregory’s first move was to bring in Lewis Hunt on the right in place of Adam Bolder to try to cope with being a man down although the Rams had a close escape when Skora’s cross somehow escaped Fuller with the goal gaping.

Kinkladze had not been involved to a large extent in the first-half as Marlon Broomes shut down the Georgian and he was looking more isolated than ever in an advanced position on the right from where he was trying to link play with Christie up front but with Broomes on his shoulder. Christie was working tirelessly against his three markers and his efforts brought the near 30,000 crowd to life as they urged ten-man Derby back into this game.

Christie won a corner on the 53 minutes as he sprinted clear of Colin Murdock and with the East Stand rampant, Riggott looped a header just over from Boertien’s corner. That effort prompted Craig Brown to make a change of his own with United States international Eddie Lewis replacing Rob Edwards on the left. The introduction of Lewis in wide midfield meant Preston were playing with only four out and out defenders and the American soon tested Poom after cutting inside Lewis Hunt.

A Creswell cross was turned goalwards by Skora whose return was claimed by Poom before Morris’ speed earnt the Rams a corner at the other end where Riggott was penalised for a push as his off-balance header went over the bar with an hour gone. Despite being a man down the Rams were still dominating possession but the odds were stacked further against them despite the efforts of Lee and O’Neil to cover the midfield yardage.

The game was getting more stretched and Skora joined the yellow card list for hauling down Boertien before O’Neil scooped over the bar Morris’ nod back into the danger area from the free-kick. Boertien’s battling down the left then earnt him the chance to cross but with only Christie on hand the ball bounced to safety for Preston.

Morris then robbed Alexander whose pull back went unnoticed as Christie burst into the box before Lucketti closed out the space to concede a corner that Riggott couldn’t reach at the back post. Boertien was then booked for a clumsy tackle and Craig Brown brought on David Healy for an exhuasted Fuller with 20 minutes remaining.

Boertien was the seventh man to attract the attention of Mark Warren, and while Cresswell received treatment, John Gregory bawled instructions to his ten men while the home crowd booed the suspiciously painful buttock ache that seemed to have beset the derided Cresswell.

For all of their efforts; Derby had not created a clear chance in open play in the second-half and Gregory sent-out Branko Strupar to warm-up as Healy blazed over following a Cresswell knockdown.

The extra man finally told for Preston with 14 minutes remaining as the Whites sealed their win through their Northern Ireland international striker. Lee Morris was trying to keep a Derby attack going but only succeeded in giving possession to Alexander in the Preston half.

The full-back advanced and released Skora who then found Mckenna in the middle with the Derby cover severely stretched. Healy was very close to being offside as Mckenna opened up acres of space for the striker on the left but the striker made no mistake to the delight of the away fans and the opposition bench. Lewis then fouled Hunt from the restart who himself was booked for a deliberate handball.

Christie was then clattered by Murdock who escaped censure of any kind before good work by O’Neil was continued by the still shackled Kinkladze but Moilanen easily claimed the cross from Morris with Derby’s lone centre-forward prostrate near halfway. Murray replaced the tiring O’Neil with nine minutes remaining.



Teams:

Derby County: Poom; Barton (Captain); Higginbotham; Riggott; O’Neil (O’Neil 81); Boertien; Bolder (Hunt 45); Lee; Kinkladze; Christie; Morris;



Preston North End:Moilanen; Alexander; Lucketti; Edwards (Lewis 56), Murdock (Rankine 82); Broomes; McKenna; Skora; Etuhu; Cresswell; Fuller (Healy- 70)

Booked: Alexander, Edwards, Lucketti, Creswell, Barton (sent-off), Skora, Boertien, Lewis, Hunt, Healey,
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Next game for us is against Ipswich Town at Portman Road. Even though Ipswich is not playing well, this will be tough game for us. Last year we lost to them 3-1 at Portman, and we lost the worst game of the season the them at Pride Park 3-1, which was the downfall of our season and after they game they sacked Colin Todd. After the Ipswich game we have a Worthy. Cup game against Oldham Athletic at Pride Park
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Team P W D L F A Pts
Portsmouth 10 8 1 1 22 8 25
Leicester City 10 7 2 1 18 10 23
Norwich City 10 6 3 1 19 6 21
Rotherham Utd 10 5 3 2 18 11 18
Sheffield Utd 10 5 3 2 14 11 18
Coventry City 9 5 2 2 12 11 17
Nottm Forest 9 5 1 3 17 8 16
Watford 10 4 3 3 15 17 15
Gillingham 10 4 2 4 11 14 14
Bradford City 9 3 4 2 11 12 13
Reading 10 4 1 5 10 11 13
P.N.E. 9 2 6 1 13 11 12
**Derby County 10 4 0 6 12 15 12
Wolves 8 3 2 3 16 12 11
Crystal Palace 9 2 4 3 12 12 10
Walsall 10 3 1 6 12 16 10
Wimbledon 10 3 1 6 10 16 10
Ipswich Town 6 2 3 1 11 5 9
Burnley 9 2 3 4 9 16 9
Millwall 10 2 3 5 7 17 9
Stoke City 8 2 2 4 9 12 8
Sheffield Wed. 9 1 5 3 9 13 8
Brighton 10 1 1 8 8 18 4
Grimsby Town 9 0 2 7 4 17 2

13th place in Division 1
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Redknapp plays down Fab rumours
By Chris Borg

Portsmouth boss Harry Redknapp has denied that he is about to sign Derby striker Fabrizio Ravanelli.
Speculation has linked Redknapp's club - who top the First Division - with a move for the Italian star since the summer.

But the manager has played down talk that Pompey are in negotiations with Derby in a bid to strike a loan deal which would see the Rams pay half the player's wages.

The rumours were further fuelled when Derby director Bryan Richardson claimed the Midlanders had been talking to Redknapp's Fratton Park assistant Jim Smith - a former Rams boss.

But Redknapp insisted: 'It sounds like they are trying to create a bit of interest in him.

'Jim knows Ravanelli, but I haven't spoken to anyone from Derby, the player, or his agent.'

Ravanelli is currently in Italy undergoing tests on an Achilles tendon injury which has restricted him to just three appearances this season.

Portsmouth lost their unbeaten record in the First Division on Saturday when they went down 1-0 to third-placed Norwich.
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FT:IPSWICH TOWN V DERBY COUNTY (Saturday 28th September)

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IPSWICH TOWN 0


DERBY COUNTY 1
Carbonari 45

HT: 0-1

Attendance: 24,439

With five men across the back and his two Adams biting alongside the classy Rob Lee in midfield John Gregory had every reason to be pleased with the first-half at Portman Road – even before Horacio Carbonari put the Rams ahead in first-half injury time with his first goal of the season on his comeback.

The goal was deserved for Gregory’s men, although chances were scarce Derby had increasingly dominated possession before Carbonari pounced. The Argentine defender got on the end of a free-kick for the reserves in midweek and this time he used his feet to good effect when he ghosted on to Rob Lee’s spinning free-kick to give the Rams a crucial advantage at the break.

The second half was all about holding on to the advantage and with hard work evident all over the field Gregory’s side did just that. In fact, had surprise debutant Izale McLeod held his run for another split second the Rams could have doubled their lead when Christie’s pace opened up Ipswich as the Tractor Boys pressed forward.

John Gregory brought in the 17 year-old striker to partner Malcolm Christie at the pinnacle of a solid looking 3-5-2 formation. Horacio Carbonari came in to the side at sweeper with Adam Murray taking Giorgi Kinkladze’s place in midfield alongside Rob Lee and Adam Bolder.

Ipswich Town kicked-off with Carbonari trying to give McLeod an early touch of the ball and then Adam Murray tested Andy Marshall with a well-hit shot that the 'keeper turned away for an early corner that fell to safety. McLeod was then caught offside as he attempted to get accustomed to the move from the empty Baseball Ground to a lively Portman Road in seven days.

The game settled quickly with both sides putting out the feelers and Chris Riggott was left feeling dizzy after a clash of heads brought play to a stop in the fifth minute. Stuart Walker dealt with the knock and when the England under-21 international continued Darren Bent outjumped him before Mart Poom gathered as Darren Ambrose looked to capitalise – although the assistant referee had a flag up in any case.

Adam Murray was the first man into Keith Hill’s notebook when Pablo Counago tried to elude his challenge in midfield and the home side won their first corner with ten minutes on the clock. The Rams could not clear fully and Poom had to be alert to gather Matt Holland’s shot before the game came to life.

Firstly, McLeod won a corner for the Rams at one end and then Rob Lee had to be alert as Matt Holland led a breakaway with Counago. Boertien then conceded another corner after a Poom punch before Carbonari boomed a header to safety. The home side were coming forward more now and Jamie Clapham raced into Derby territory to tee-up Jim Magilton for a shot that Mart Poom did well to turn away for a corner - with 17 minutes gone the Rams were being stretched.

Rob Lee was working hard in the midfield to keep the Rams at the table with Murray and Bolder picking up the crumbs and John Gregory’s tactics meant the Rams were keeping competitive in the middle third. Adam Bolder’s run almost released Christie and then McLeod saw his shot blocked with the game approaching the midway point of the first half. Fabian Wilnis made an early exit in his 100th appearance for the Tractor Boys as Jermaine Wright replaced the Dutch full-back. Christie then outpaced John McGreal but his cross was just too far ahead of the advancing McLeod.

Following a brief spell of dominance for the Tractor Boys, the Rams were back in the game and Pablo Counago summed-up the change in play by earning a yellow card for a foul on Carbonari who hammered a trademark free-kick against Darren Bent to win a corner that the home side cleared.

Carbonari then returned the compliment at the other end and with Poom organising a five-man wall he was relieved to see Magilton’s effort drift comfortably over the bar to safety.

Had Mark Venus passed a morning fitness test then John McGreal could have been replaced and he was maybe thinking of time-off when he hacked down Murray to earn the third booking of the game with half an hour gone.

The Rams were beginning to work the ball around the field well and to hold possession for longer periods although they were yet to threaten Marshall’s goal in earnest. McLeod’s knockdown didn’t find Christie and then the 17 year-old sliced a cross as he continued to work hard to support Malcolm Christie. McGreal then left the field for treatment as his nightmare afternoon continued with George Burley’s side temporarily down to ten.

McLeod took advantage by turning goalwards from the edge of the box and winning a corner when his shot was deflected to safety by Hreidarsson and the 17 year-old then couldn’t outjump Marshall. The Rams were making the most of their numerical supremacy and a typical corkscrew run by Christie led to a pair of corners for Gregory’s side. Lee was booked for a foul on Magilton as Ipswich counter-attacked and McGreal returned to the action.

Referee Hill was signalled four minutes of injury time as Ipswich raised the pace in an attempt to go in ahead but instead went behind. Riggott cleared from a corner as the whistle blew and then Poom cleared his lines into Ipswich territory where Izale McLeod won a free-kick on the left to the anger of the Ipswich backline.

Derby got bodies into the box for the cross and Rob Lee spun over a wickedly spinning dead ball that eluded everyone in the middle and found Carbonari at the far post. The Argentine defender had powered home a header for the reserves in midweek and made it two goals in four days by poking home with his right foot to the delight of his teammates.

The protests about the free-kick were vehement and prolonged with goalkeeper Marshall getting a booking for his protestations as the sides left the field.

There were no changes at the break from either side and Paul Boertien made the initial foray forward for the Rams but his shot was a poor one as Matt Holland tried to initiate a fightback for Ipswich before Izale McLeod was cruelly denied his first goal for the Rams.

Chris Riggott robbed Hreidarsson and released Malcolm Christie who shook off Wayne Brown and sped clear on the right. The striker looked up to see McLeod arriving at the far post and the 17 year-old netted and turned to celebrate shirt in hand without seeing the correctly raised flag from the assistant referee. It was a sign of McLeod’s inexperience that he had strayed off-side and it was the right decision.

That near-miss prompted George Burley to make a change with Nigerian winger Finidi George coming on to replace Icelandic defender Hreidarsson in an attempt to switch the flow of play, although George’s first contribution was to be caught offside. Counago’s cross then won a corner for the Tractor Boys as the home support got more involved in the action.

As the hour mark approached Ipswich wasted their best chance of the game when Counago fed George who released Jermaine Wright. The substitute's cross picked out Darren Bent who somehow put his shot wide. Ipswich were certainly raising the pace but the arrival of George meant there was more room on the break and McLeod found Christie who could not get a shot away after a menacing run.

The Tractor Boys were straining to gain the initiative with Magilton unable to keep his header on target before Lee and Christie combined well to relieve the pressure. McLeod received more treatment from Stuart Walker with 65 minutes gone before returning to the action as Ipswich won a corner kick courtesy of good work from Darren Bent. Boertien cleared but Riggott had to concede another corner as Ipswich continued to press in search of an equaliser in front of a near 25,000 crowd.

The Rams were beginning to lose control of the midfield and Poom claimed McGreal’s header from a free-kick before the tiring McLeod was caught offside twice within a minute. Finidi George then showed a clean pair of heels to Boertien and Poom was relieved that his shot was close enough to save.

Malcolm Christie was relishing his unusual role of senior strike partner and with fifteen minutes to go he swerved through the Ipswich defence only to see Marshall make a fine reaction save. That chance prompted another change from Burley who despatched his third sub of the day with Alun Armstrong replacing Pablo Counago. The substitute couldn’t get a decisive touch on a Magilton cross as the Rams held firm.

Izale McLeod then won a free-kick in the Ipswich half but the Rams bench were infuriated that more action wasn’t taken for the challenge. It looked likely to be a battle from here on in and Carbonari had to clear as Higginbotham went down in a lot of pain with a knee injury. There were looks of concern from the Rams but the home crowd were less generous in their reaction to the stoppage and booed the reigning player of the year when he returned after treatment.

Higginbotham was holding his arm uncomfortably but won a header from Bent before McLeod conceded a free-kick and then Holland’s spooned through ball was headed wide poorly by Bent. The tension was evident in the determination of the back-line to apportion blame for the poor marking despite the awry finish. George then released Clapham who thankfully squared his cross to Boertien with two minutes remaining and Town players in support.

The Rams were still soaking up the pressure as Ipswich came forward while McLeod and Christie continued to attempt to keep the ball in the other half. The home crowd responded to the announcement of five minutes added time and Poom was forced to punch clear as the pressure mounted.

McLeod then earnt a booking for hauling down McGreal on the chase for a long clearance; the youngster had given his all to the cause on his debut for the Rams even if his inexperience had shown at times. The home side appealed for a hand ball by Barton when Clapham accelerated down the left before a Murray run ended with Christie heading into the arms of Marshall.

Bent then tested Poom as the game entered the final minute and the time approached 4:55. Carbonari held off Bent and the Rams were in no hurry to take the kick with Ian Evatt replacing the superb Malcolm Christie in the front-line. Evatt immediately won a header towards McLeod as more precious time elapsed.

Matt Holland only just made it for the game due to injury and he again hauled his side forward but to the joy of those fans who had meandered their way along the East Anglian ‘A’ roads all morning, Higginbotham’s long clearance was the last action of the match and the Rams had back-to-back 1-0 wins to celebrate.

Two games in four days at Pride Park Stadium now face Derby County with Oldham kicking-off affairs on Wednesday evening as John Gregory looks to put the home defeats by Burnley and Preston behind his team.

Walsall follow on Saturday in the Nationwide One before a trip to Valley Parade and then the home derby with Nottingham Forest. Rams fans will be hoping by the time Paul Hart’s side arrive at Pride Park stadium the Rams are looking back to today’s win as the start of a consistent run of performances.

Referee: Keith Hill

Attendance:24,439

Teams:

Ipswich Town: Marshall - Wilnis (Wright 21); McGreal; Hreidarsson (George 51); Holland; Clapham; Magilton; Brown; Ambrose; Counago (Armstrong 75 D.Bent.

Subs: Pullen; M.Bent; Armstrong; George; Wright

Derby County: Poom – Carbonari; Barton (Captain); Boertien; Riggott; Higginbotham; Bolder; Murray; Lee; McLeod (Evatt 89); Christie.

Subs: Grant; Evatt; Kinkladze; O’Neil; McLeod.

Booked: Murray, Counago, McGreal, McLeod



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NEXT MATCH:

DERBY COUNTY vs. OLDHAM ATHLETIC (Worthington Cup)

Next League Match:

DERBY COUNTY vs. WALSALL

Hopefully this will be 6 points for us, even though the Worthy. Cup game will not mean alot, but we have to win against Walsall!!!!
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FT: DERBY COUNTY V OLDHAM ATH.(Wednesday 2nd October)

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DERBY COUNTY 1
Higginbotham (Pen) 17, Poom (sent-off 104)

OLDHAM ATHLETIC 2
Eyres 19, Wijnhard 94,

HT: 1-1

Attendance: 9,029

The Rams once again lost at home as this year’s Worthington Cup campaign came to an end at Pride Park Stadium on Wednesday night. Derby were looking to put defeats at home to Burnley and Preston North End out of their mind but if in conceding a penalty and losing a senior player to a dismissal the Rams brought the worst aspects of those defeats to mind there were also some reminders of the skill needed to earn home victories.

The Rams went ahead through a Danny Higginbotham penalty when Izale McLeod was fouled, only to be immediately pegged back by a fine strike from David Eyres. The visitors threatened briefly to take control but the Rams gradually reasserted and dominated the final quarter when they hit the bar twice and brought fine saves from Mishkelly in the Latics’ goal.

The Lancastrians managed to hang on for full-time and then found a victory as a penalty and sending-off ended Derby’s hopes. Just four minutes of extra time had elapsed when an innocuous cross led to a penalty with Carbonari penalised for a push on Hill and Mart Poom was booked for his protests.

Wijnhard made no mistake from the spot and the yellow card was to prove costly ten minutes later when the Rams goalkeeper - under no real pressure - lost his bearings in punching clear and received his marching orders. Evatt took over in goal and the Rams pressed forward even with ten but there was no way back and after three consecutive home defeats the Rams desperately need to put things on right on Saturday.

John Gregory had an unchanged side for the visit of Iain Dowie’s Oldham Athletic, that meant Izale McLeod earnt himself a home debut at the age of 17 and Horacio Carbonari started at the rear of a back five.

In the early stages of the game, Gregory’s decision to go with a back three as opposed to a back five was clear with Warren Barton and Paul Boertien starting in relatively advanced positions against the Latics. The Rams first threat came from just that avenue when Boertien won a free-kick on the left but when Rob Lee swung the ball in towards Carbonari but the Argentine couldn’t make a proper connection.

Oldham looked to have the confidence of a team that were unbeaten on the road this season and David Eyres showed the class he possesses with his left foot early in the game with a curling ball but Chris Riggott dealt with the danger comfortably as the game settled down. Oldham then won a free-kick for what may have been a handball by Higginbotham although the decision wasn’t clear. Iain Dowie had a trick routine at the ready with Derby expecting Eyres to shoot but when Tony Carrs headed the ball back across the face of goal the Rams were in the right place.

The Latics shaped with four across the back and a line of three midfielders with Lourenco sitting behind Clyde Wijnhard and Carlo Corazzin up front. The onus on Boertien and Barton to get forward was clear and Boertien did just that in the 12th minute when his angled ball to Malcolm Christie gave the striker a chance to shoot but he fired over the bar from the edge of the box. Adam Murray then took on one too many on a twisting run through midfield and was stopped by the lanky Fitz Hall.

Moments later, Izale McLeod burst into the box and as Clint Hill closed in the 17 year-old went down with just David Miskelly to beat and referee Curson pointed to the spot. Danny Higginbotham – who successfully took over penalty taking duties at Bolton last season – stepped up confidently and lashed an unstoppable shot low to Miskelly’s left to put the Rams ahead. Higginbotham instinctively raced to the East Stand to celebrate his first goal at Pride Park but almost before the goal had sunk in Oldham were level.

In-between times Malcolm Christie’s burst of speed down the right took him clear but McLeod couldn’t organise the right connection on the cross and from almost being two-up the Rams found themselves level.

As the Latics got bodies forward on the right the Rams defence were caught ball watching and when the ball fell into space on the left-edge of the box the cover was stretched beyond repair. As Lourenco blocked the covering defender David Eyres staeadied himseld and hammered an unstoppable shot low to Mart Poom’s right. Oldham almost went ahead a minute later when Clint Hill’s downward header was hacked out of the six-yard box by Chris Riggott after a corner on the Derby left and then Poom made a superb low save after Wijnhard worked himself into space in the centre.

The Rams were having a shaky period much as they had during the fateful five minutes against Preston North End but with 25 minutes on the clock the scores remained level as Riggott held off Carlo Corazzin to concede another corner that Poom claimed with comfort.

With half-an-hour gone the Rams looked to have regained their poise, Christie raced into the right of the Oldham box with a nervous Hill closing in and as the striker collapsed trying to worm inside the challenge, referee Curson whistled and booked the Derby striker for ‘diving’. When the referee subsequently penalised Barton, the home support were enraged and the noise spurred the Rams into building up some pressure.

Initially Carbonari had a long range shot half-cleared as the ball dropped Bolder almost capitalised on the rebound. Before Oldham could clear effectively Boertien fed Murray in the ‘D’ and his effort was deflected away for a corner on the Derby left from which McLeod fired just over the angle of Miskelly’s post and crossbar.

It was a brief demonstration of the attacking intensity John Gregory was demanding of his men and the visitors came back into the game. Carrs won a free-kick thirty-yards out on the left put after Carbonari’s lunge and Lee Duxbury glanced it beyond the Derby post. The Argentine then showed all his class with a well-timed interception on Corazzin and a wonderful bit of distribution to Rob Lee.

With half-time approaching Christie’s persistence won a corner on the Derby right, Boertien made a poor delivery and when the clearance fell to Lourenco the Portugese midfielder set-off down the left. Higginbotham glided across to intercept but Lourenco ended in an ugly tangle with the assistant referee who had nowhere to go as the burly Oldham man ran out of room – Stuart Walker was on hand but the game headed towards half-time with three minutes of added time to go.

Oldham were neat in possession and hardy without the ball as well. With Wijnhard and Corazzin willing workers along the frontline, the Rams had plenty to do in the second-half as they tried to play more of this game in the Latics half. There were no personnel changes at the break but with extra-time looming John Gregory would be looking for his side to develop a lot more pressure on the Oldham back line.

As the second-half started Derby had an early scare from another well-worked free-kick but Riggott was on hand when the ball dropped awkwardly in the six-yard box. A powerful McLeod run then almost led to Boertien getting around David Beharrall and then neat passing play led to a Murray cross that fell to safety. Beharrall then won a free-kick at the other end from a decision that was hard to explain, the official who had not kept a close eye on the spotting of the ball then forced the Rams wall back and Poom made a fantastic reaction save when Eyres blasted his shot goalwards.

With the hour-mark approaching their had been little sign of the required pressure from the Rams although Adam Murray at least worked an opening in the Latics’ box but his shot fell wide. Suspension-victim Warren Barton made way for Lewis Hunt as John Gregory made his first tactical attempt to change the pattern of play. Referee Curson earned more curses when he had words with Rob Lee as Derby seemed about to threaten the Oldham goal and the frustration grew when he then penalised Bolder in the visitors’ half and when the man in the middle ignored Lorenco’s challenge on Lee the indignation of the home support reached fever pitch.

The Derby fans were again getting behind the Rams but their wishes were yet to be matched by the deeds on the field although Gregory’s side were beginning to edge the possession battle with 25 minutes remaining. One such spell of controlled play ended with Lourenco in a heap on the far side after he tangled with Lee who got to hear the views of Corazzin free of charge, the former England international let his football do the talking as the Rams began to improve.

Boertien’s run and cross was headed away by Hill to Lee whose first time left-footed half-volley was brilliantly tipped onto the bar and away for a corner by Miskelly. The 36 year-old couldn’t believe the save but then orchestrated room for sub Lewis Hunt to cross for Boertien whose header was again clawed away. The Rams were playing some good football now and the Latics were glad to clear their lines and hang on as Hunt and then Bolder threatened.

Boertien’s role had become more and more attacking so John Gregory brought Lee Morris on in his wide left position to press home the advantage with just over a quarter of an hour to go. Referee Curson reminded the crowd he was around by penalising Higginbotham for encroachment on a throw-in as the player of the year slotted in at left-back to accommadate Morris.

Chris Riggott then earnt a booking for a challenge on John Eyre midway in his own half with Gregory warming-up for Ian Evatt on the sidelines Oldham almost grabbed a second goal. Another smart routine saw the ball dropping to Fitz Hall and he scooped the ball over the bar from just six yards out with Poom on the ground and beaten. That signalled the exit of Lee with Evatt taking his place in the middle for the last fifteen minutes and the utility man almost scored with his first touch.

Good football from the Rams released Lewis Hunt on the right and his cross was met with an exquisite volley from Evatt and with Miskelly beaten the ball kissed the crossbar and bounced clear. The Rams were still going forward and Carbonari’s shot almost rebounded to Bolder before Murray swivelled to guide a Lee Morris cross inches wide.

Oldham were being pinned back inside their own box as Gregory’s side sought the all important second goal before the need for extra time. McLeod now saw an effort blocked, Morris couldn’t get power on a volley and then Evatt’s cross ran on too far for McLeod. Christie hit a shot from distance when he had better options and Derby were looking for a moment of quality, a killer punch, as the Lancastrians rolled around desperately on the ropes.

Evatt saw a volley blocked and then Christie’s shot was straight at Mishkelly when Murray had just failed to turn in a Morris cross. Morris was proving a torture to Oldham but the game remained level with five to go as Evatt released McLeod on the right from where he won a corner that Carbonari headed over the bar.

Iain Dowie had to respond to the pressure and he switched two men over to mark Morris and withdrew Lee Duxbury in favour of Wayne Andrews who looked to fill space on the Oldham right. The fourth official signalled three minutes of added time as Carbonari swung a ball forward that McLeod couldn’t turn goalward with enough power.

There were tired legs on either side as the game headed toward the extra period with the Rams still pressing forward without creating a clear chance and John Gregory was first out on to the pitch to rally his troops. There had been talk in the week of the number of kilometres covered by the two Adams in midfield at Portman Road and as they joined their fellow players in taking a well-earned drink the Rams had hopes of continuing their possession football into extra-time.

The first action of extra time was on the sidelines with Dean Holden replacing the exhausted John Eyre and dropping into right full-back for Oldham. Fatigue hadn’t lessened the effectiveness of David Eyres left foot and his free-kick glanced off a Derby head and just reached safety before Andrews tested Poom from the edge of the box.

It was a good start to extra time for the Latics but the introduction of Holden couldn’t stop Morris who cut inside and had his shot cleared off the line by Hill before Oldham went ahead in bizarre circumstances.

An innocuous cross from the left looked to have been safely cleared but referee Curson adjudged Carbonari to have fouled Clint Hill and with the normally quiet Poom earning a booking in the protestations Clyde Wijnhard composed himself and stepped up to put the ball past Poom with 94 minutes on the clock.

Suddenly Oldham’s travelling support were alive and Wijnhard almost made it three a minute later but Poom smothered his shot before Eyres hit a shot high and wide over the bar.

The Rams needed to regain their composure again and work the ball around. Carbonari showed the way forward taking advantage as Oldham again double-teamed Morris. The Argentine defender hit a powerful short but the ball lifted over the bar to safety. He then put in a snaking run so similar to the one that led to a goal when Nottingham Forest were last here but referee Curson waved away his penalty appeals.

With the end of the first half of extra time approaching the Rams were hitting their stride with Hunt having his shot turned away by Mishkelly before Christie’s flick on to Murray’s diagonal ball ended on the roof of the net. Iain Dowie then indulged in a bit of time wasting and that set the tone for his players who had an undeserved victory in sight when Derby’s night of misery was completed.

With a minute remaining in the first period of extra time Mart Poom came out to punch a bouncing ball to safety and misjudged the edge of his box. Landing well outside his area and already in the book for protesting Poom received his second yellow card and his marching orders and Ian Evatt took over in goal.

Evatt has proved himself a versatile player all year and it was no surprise to see him donning the goalkeeping jersey as the Rams – having used all three subs – went down to 10 men for the second consecutive home game. The timing also means that Poom is likely to miss the game at Pride Park with Nottingham Forest along with Derby skipper Warren Barton.

The Rams continued to press forward with only ten men but as with the Preston match the chances of being caught on the break were large with even Carbonari pressing forward with nothing to lose in this one-off match. The faithful home support still found voice to will on the Rams and they were brought to their feet when Holden hacked at Morris in front of the East Stand to earn a yellow card.

From the free-kick, Lewis Hunt hammered the ball over the bar after Riggott had won a header down and then Adam Bolder blazed wide following good interplay from Christie and Morris. Hunt’s cross was then off target from Christie as the Rams kept going forward with six minutes to play.

Carbonari somehow intercepted as Oldham had two over and then turned impudently out of danger to release Morris as the Rams won a corner. Oldham couldn’t clear initially with Bolder forcing another corner before the Latics earnt space for Wijnhard who hit the post with Evatt beaten. Carbonari moved into the forward line in search of the equaliser and he almost got a toe on to Murray’s flick from Riggott’s diagonal but Oldham were beginning to cut their passes out and Morris was booked for a foul as the Lancastrians threatened to break.

There were two minutes of added time and they started with Wijnhard firing wide again and Carbonari fully settled in the Derby forward line. The roar of relief from the visiting support as Miskelly caught Morris’ throughball told a story about Derby’s brave performance but in the end this was a tale of woe for the Rams who now face a crucial test on Saturday against Walsall at Pride Park Stadium.

Referee: Mr B Curson

Attendance: 9,029

Teams:

Derby County: Poom – Carbonari; Barton (Captain); Boertien; Riggott; Higginbotham; Bolder; Murray; Lee; McLeod (Evatt 89); Christie.

Subs: Grant; Evatt; Kinkladze; Morris; McLeod.

Oldham Athletic: Miskelly – Duxbury (Andrews 87); Eyre; Beharrall; Hall; Carss; Lourenco (Haining 69); Hill; Corazzin, Wijnhard; Eyres.

Subs: Pogiliacomi, Holden, Killen

Booked: Christie, Riggott, Poom, Poom (sent-off) Holden, Morris
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Mart Poom got a red card in thodays game against Oldham Athletic and will miss the Nott. Forest game
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Rams boss John Gregory has confirmed that striker Marvin Robinson could be on his way to Exeter City on loan.

The Nationwide Division Three outfit have enquired about the burly frontman, missing from the Rams' first team squad in recent weeks with a hamstring injury.

Any deal will depend on a treatment table report on Robinson - one of four Rams strikers currently out of action through injury.
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From Pride Park Stadium

DERBY COUNTY 2
Christie 19, 52

WALSALL 2
Corica 61, Hay (sent-off) 80, Aranalde (pen) 90

HT: 1-0

Attendance: 25,247

Former Derby County trainee Darren Wrack ruined Derby’s afternoon as ten-man Walsall came back to earn a point at Pride Park Stadium.

With time almost expired and the Rams nervously holding on to a 2-1 lead a series of errors allowed Wrack to win a penalty as Mart Poom tried to close down his unchecked run into the Derby box. Zigor Aranalde made no mistake with the spot-kick and there was no time for the Rams to respond.

It can be a cruel game, and it was cruellest today on: Poom – who made two fine saves from Corica, Rob Lee who was superb in midfield and in particular Malcolm Christie. It looked like this would be Christie and Derby’s day as he put the Rams 2-0 ahead with a superb goal in each half.

Before the break, Christie’s jinking run forward ended with a fine right-footed shot that bent beyond James Walker into the far corner of the net with 19 minutes on the clock and then the 23 year-old powered home his second seven minutes into the second –half.

But the Rams were never comfortable with their cushion. Poom made a superb save from Steve Corica before the Aussie striker got a goal back and then as the misplaced passes grew with the tension, John Gregory’s side looked ill at ease.

Hay’s sending-off completed another good afternoon for Izale McLeod but despite the introduction of Giorgi Kinkladze the Saddlers kept stealing possession and eventually they stole a point.

John Gregory gave Lewis Hunt his first start for the Rams in place of the suspended Warren Barton at right-back in an otherwise unchanged line-up. Mart Poom continued in goal with Rob Lee flanked by the two Adams in midfield and Malcolm Christie partnering Izale McLeod up front.

The Saddlers - victorious at Nottingham Forest in the week – were unchanged. That meant former Ram Matt Carbon missed out with a shoulder strain with Ian Roper declared fit after being taken off with injury in midweek. It also meant Walsall’s former Derby County trainee Darren Wrack kept his place on the wing as the black country outfit made their first appearance at Pride Park Stadium.

Walsall kicked-off attacking towards their own supporters with a fairly rigid 4-4-2 against Derby’s 3-5-2 system. The Rams began superbly with Paul Boertien making three effective foray’s forward in the opening three minutes. From the third of them Walker had to stretch high to claw away Boertien’s deflected cross and although Adam Bolder collected the loose ball the Walsall ‘keeper was back in position to gather the return cross.

The Rams were attacking the end towards which they had launched attack after attack in the doomed second-half onslaught of Oldham Athletic and Izale McLeod couldn’t direct his volley goalward with four minutes gone as that attacking pattern continued. Boertien was sticking to his flank and was disappointed after smart interplay between himself and Lee gave Danny Higginbotham the chance to centre but the player of the year overhit his cross and the Saddlers survived.

These teams hadn’t met since 1986 when John Gregory was on the winning side and the Rams boss was off his feet with eight minutes gone when Jorge Leitao held off Hunt to set-up Junior but Danny Higginbotham was in quickly and Poom dealt easily with the subsequent corner.

The Rams responded when Adam Murray hit a superb first-time ball between Danny Hay and Ian Roper to find Izale McLeod in full stride. The seventeen year-old allowed the ball to get under his feet a little and that helped James Walker to close the space down quickly and clutch the ball down low to his left. It was a classy ball from Murray who had earnt praise from skipper Rob Lee for his ability earlier this week The diminutive midfield man was then tripped by Ian Roper on the right-hand edge of the box. Rob Lee teed-up Higginbotham but the Walsall wall did its job and with a quarter of an hour approaching the game remained scoreless. McLeod and Christie then combined to give Lee the chance to shoot but his effort canoned off Murray and then Horacio Carbonari cleaned up at the other end as Leitao threatened.

Walsall arrived at Pride Park on the back of three wins against Milwall, Sheffield Wednesday and Nottingham Forest and with the 20 minute mark approaching Colin Lee’s side were camped in the Derby half and looking comfortable when Malcolm Christie punctured them with a top class goal.

With the Saddlers putting men forward in numbers Derby intercepted a pass and Rob Lee picked out Malcolm Christie just past halfway. With Adam Bolder making a searing dummy-run through the middle the striker swerved past Darren Bazeley in typical fashion and with the other defenders backing off hit a magnificent swerving right-foot shot from 25 yards out that Walker could only help into the far corner of his net. It was probably the best strike of the season for the Rams and was celebrated with appropriate glee by fans and players alike.

Unlike Wednesday night; John Gregory’s men continued to attack after taking the lead and Christie almost found Bolder with a left-wing cross. Portugese front man Jorge Leitao was proving to be a mobile yet tough presence in the front line for the visitors and with referee Robinson thankfully taking a less fussy approach then Wednesday’s official, the game was flowing freely.

Darren Wrack had been subdued in the early stages of the game but then twice tested the pace of Lewis Hunt before a forward run from Hunt himself saw the Saddlers fully stretched to clear at the far post. As the game reached the half-hour mark the Rams were still trying to be positive after their run of three home defeats at Pride Park Stadium. For Walsall, a frustrated Junior became the first name in the book following a high challenge on Lee.

With Martin O’Connor getting to grips in midfield the West Midlands’ side were getting more into the game and with 35 minutes gone Steve Corica lobbed the ball over the bar following a neat throw-in manoeuvre on the left. A good run and cross from centre-back Danny Hay then saw Lewis Hunt stretching to clear but the referee signalled a push and Poom cleared his lines.

Darren Wrack had switched wings and as the Rams adjusted to the change Riggott made a superb last-ditch tackle to clear from Junior just as the Brazilian looked set to shoot. Colin Lee had also pushed Zigor Aranalde forward onto Lewis Hunt as he re-jigged his side to contend with the Rams’ wide players.

The Rams weren’t coping too well with the new lay-out and when Junior fired over a tired and clearly injured Carbonari made way for Wednesday night’s emergency goalkeeper Ian Evatt who immediately marked the Brazilian forward.

There were no further changes for the Rams at the break but Walsall lined-up with their five man midfield as they sought to get back into the game by going like-for-like and the visitors immediately threatened. The back five failed to close down the awkward Leitao who layed off Junior’s pass with a superb ball to the overlapping Corica. The Australian striker hit his shot well but Mart Poom reacted superbly to bat the ball away and Higginbotham completed the clearance.

Billy McEwan led the shouting from the bench with Gregory briefly absent from pitchside. McEwan was in the standard issue purple training kit but he’s no shrinking violet and was indeed almost violent in his gesturing as he urged more from his players and Malcolm Christie gave him just that in the 52nd minute.

Adam Bolder gave the 23 year-old space to run on the right. The confidence-fuelled frontman kept going as Walsall backed off and then hit a shot so powerful that although Walker got a hand on the ball he couldn’t keep it out. Christie celebrated along the length of the West Stand while the satisfied McEwan sought out Bolder for a pat on the back.

The Rams were certainly spurred on by the goal and McLeod won a free-kick that Higginbotham curled agonisingly wide before the seventeen year-old laid on Christie’s best chance of the match. The trainee professional drew in the Saddlers backline before releasing his partner on the right of the box but as Christie pulled the trigger to lift the ball over the advancing Walker the former Notts County ‘keeper reached up to make a fine save to crucially keep his side in the game.

McLeod then headed Lewis Hunt’s cross over before the Rams escaped when in failing to clear a corner they left Junior with an open goal but the Brazilian somehow scooped the ball over the bar with the finesse that would have made one of his futsol playing countrymen would have been proud. The Rams were lucky and with half an hour to go they needed some more possession football to take the sting out of the hardworking Saddlers.

Walsall were still trying to play football themselves, Corica had a shot blocked and then Poom punched clear under pressure. The warning signs had been their for the Rams but they seemingly failed to read them and Corica made them pay by bringing down Darren Wrack’s cross and finishing coolly past Poom in the 63rd minute. From almost being clear at 3-0 the Rams were in danger of being reeled in.

McLeod could have responded immediately as he raced clear on the left but he blazed his shot over with a furious Adam Murray aching for a cross from the youngster. Gregory was back on the bench and there was work to do for the Rams in this game. McLeod earnt a talking to for a rumbustuous challenge on Hay on the left and the defender joined him on the notepad for his reaction. Gregory immediately sent out Gary Twigg to warm-up as both sets of supporters in the 25,247 crowd, sensing this game was in the melting pot raised the volume.

Junior had continued to make his runs and was almost rewarded when he volleyed Fitzroy Simpson’s angled ball over the bar after Aranalde had brought the Jamaica international into play. Martin O’Connor then earnt a free-kick when Lee tripped him and the home side were rocking with 17 minutes to go. Estonian keeper Mart Poom made a world class save from Corica after a ricochet left him clear on goal. It was Poom’s second top drawer save in a one-on-one situation in the game and was all-important as the game entered the final quarter of an hour.

John Gregory needed his side to hold the ball better following a collective attack of the jitters but it wouldn’t happen. Rob Lee was striving mightily in the middle but McLeod and Christie were being outwitted and Bolder and Murray were perhaps running out of legs following the two hours of effort on Wednesday. McLeod then did his job well and brought the ball down on the left, with no other options he ran directly at Hay who cynically halted his run and having already been booked, picked himself up and began walking towards the tunnel as Robinson officially confirmed his expulsion.

The Rams were running out of legs altogether and the exhausted Adam Murray made way for Giorgi Kinkladze with seven minutes to go. Both players earnt the applause of the crowd and with Birch replacing Junior and Barrass taking over from Simpson the final chess pieces had been moved in this enthralling second-half. Leitao directed a throw-in goalward where Poom gathered comfortably but that did little to ease the tension in the crowd or more importantly on the field where the loss of Hay seemed to make little difference to the pattern.

Kinkladze earnt some space for Christie whose deflected shot was comfortable for Walker and then Boertien needed treatment for an accidental boot in the face from Corica. John Gregory then gave McLeod the nod to come off and the already booked youngster earnt an exceptional round of applause from an appreciative crowd. He must hardly believe be able to believe it – a fortnight ago he came off to the thanks of a handful of coaches and parents at the Baseball Ground.

Twigg joined Christie in the front line and got his first touch from Poom’s goal kick. Lee and Kinkladze were trying to lead by example with their pasing and calm on the ball while a poor challenge from Twigg on Roper saw the youngster into the book with just a minute to go. Walker came out of his goal to take the kick that Poom claimed before the fourth official signalled three minutes of injury time.

The Rams were still nervous and their inability to hold possession was shredding nails all around the stadium as the East Stand began to whistle for time. Lee – a colossus for the Rams all day – again intercepted a pass in the midfield but the ball soon came back and the skipper wasn’t implicated when the Rams gifted the ten men of Walsall a point with a very poor piece of football.

Derby had two on one at one end of the field as the ball bounced around but when the ball fell loose after Walker’s scrambled clearance. Chris Riggott mis-kicked it horribly under no real pressure near halfway, Danny Higginbotham hesitated fatally and the ball ran to Darren Wrack who burst clear of the Rams’ defence.

The former Derby trainee bore down on goal and as the exposed Poom narrowed the angle Wrack was brought down to the delight of the travelling support. Aranalde stepped up and punished the Rams for their inability to finish off this game with a low left-footed penalty.

Many would say the Saddlers deserved their point but the Rams should have closed this game out with comfort and with a quarter of the season gone unheeded lessons are proving very costly at Pride Park Stadium.

Last to leave the field was a despondent Malcolm Christie and the striker’s dejected body language mirrored the disappointment of many, with Forest next in Derby, Rams supporters will be hoping the first sixty minutes of football can be sustained for a further half-an-hour in a fortnight’s time.

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Referee: J Robinson

Attendance: 25,247

Teams:

Derby County: Poom – Carbonari -( Evatt 41); Barton (Captain); Boertien; Riggott; Higginbotham; Bolder; Murray-(Kinkladze 83); Lee; McLeod –(Twigg 87); Christie.

Unused subs: Grant; Morris;.

Walsall: Walker – Bazeley; Hay; Roper; Aranalde; Wrack; O’Connor Barrass; Corica; Simpson – (Barrass 80); Junior- (Birch 87), Leitao.

Unused subs: Ward, Matias, Martinez

Booked: Junior, McLeod, Hay (sent-off),
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How did Derby not win that match?!

I saw that they were 2 - 0 up at home to Walsall,
then later I saw it was 2 - 1 and walsall were down to ten men!
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in the 90th minute Walsall had a penalty kick and they scored on it. I was so mad, and also all the other Rams fans were too. We are tired of this we want Lionel Pickering out and a few fans want Gregory out!
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Bradford on Saturday big game but could be missing Carbonari and Poom.
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John Gregory Ruled Out For Sunderland Job
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10/09/2002. Derby County boss John Gregory has become the latest person to rule himself out of the vacant managerial position at Sunderland.

The former Aston Villa chief, who has been loosely linked with the job since Monday's sacking of Peter Reid, is happy at Derby and has no plans to leave.

A spokesman for the first division side said, "John has said that he is very happy at the football club. He signed a three-and-a-half year contract in January and is happy at Pride Park. Obviously there's been all this speculation since Peter Reid got the sack at Sunderland but there's been absolutely no contact between the two clubs. John has no desire to leave and we have no desire to see him go - it's as simple as that."

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Carbonari will be out for the game against Bradford tommorow and Steve Elliot will possibly make the start for the Rams.
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