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post #21 of 62 (permalink) Old May 22nd, 2019, 08:52 Thread Starter
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again, why and how do NEOS of all groups bring in socialist voting immigrants?

they are not in charge neither in Vienna nor in Brussels, never were and probably never will be. Classic Liberals/Libertarians usually don‘t get enough votes. all the leftist and mainstream media bash them 24/7 so it’s a miracle they get their 5% at all. they are in a coalition in Salzburg though, which unsurprisingly happens to be the best run of the 9 states atm.

the privatizing of all those things you mentioned is exactly what they, and Milton, want. only chance of this to happen is when they together with ÖVP in a Neuwahl in september get a majority. unlikely scenario. as for now, ÖVP at 38%, NEOS 9%, but that‘ll go down for both rather than up until then.

regardless of a minimum 5-6 million (left, right and centrist) „potheads“ in Germany, legalization has always been a major libertarian issue, because anything else (prohibition, restriction, regulation, control) is text book big government. Adenauer and de Gaulle were conservative, not libertarian, so why would they even think about it.

but once again I ask, what the hell with that video?

I mean, it‘s a funny piece of art (if you understand Australian), props to the director whoever that was.
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Corrupt politicians spending other people's (stolen) money like drunk millionaires, dishing out favours to their chums and abusing the inflated powers afforded them? No way!


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Unless they're willing to let people die on the sidewalks and on the doorsteps of hospitals, let children go without schooling when their parents can't afford it, ban people from mass transit and other infrastructure... which they're *not*... then inviting the huddled masses, which they *are* willing to do, is going to expand the welfare state, not reduce it. Milton Friedman knew this, but then he wasnt obsessed with global tolerance and solidarity like your libtards are.

And again, if they want greater autonomy, they should work for *less* EU, not more of it.

And finally, the huddled masses *do* vote socialist. In California, in Germany, in the UK, everywhere

This is not difficult ffs.

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huddled masses in Austria would vote SPÖ, Green, or that loonie Pilz

in which scenario would they vote a party that openly says, sorry you are not entitled to get sozialhilfe, get a job first. and a good education. and not from tax payers‘ money because there isn‘t any.

but for you everything beyond FPÖ is „socialist“, it seems?
is Basti Kurz a „socialist“ too then? Economically, he stands left of Neos, after all. (your FPÖ too, btw.)
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Corrupt politicians spending other people's (stolen) money like drunk millionaires, dishing out favours to their chums and abusing the inflated powers afforded them? No way!
yeah but those were exactly the politicians who portrayed themselves as anti-corruption angels who drain the swamp finally, and whom our danish friend here seems believe religiously. hope he doesn‘t hurt himself because of the video
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Obviously the huddled masses will vote for the actual socialist parties. That's the point.. Libertarianism is a pipedream if you allow for significant 3rd world immigration, see fx California.

FPÔ's policies would in practice limit the size of the state considerably compared to NEO's policies of ”tolerance and solidarity”, since they would limit the number of people in the country unable to provide for themselves, who would likely burden the public school system, the judicial system, healthcare, etc.

Aside from the fact that NEOs would increase the influence of the red/green EU.

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What is the video you're talking about btw?

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What is the video you're talking about btw?
oh you didn't see it? I thought it's the #1 talking topic in all Europe

it's legend status already. Strache (Vizekanzler) and his FPÖ buddy Gudenus were in Ibiza on holiday 2017, before the last elections. they were meeting some russian woman, supposedly some billionaye oligarch's niece with a lot of cash ready to "invest" into Austria. someone sent the video (apparently a set up scheme, filmed with several secret cameras installed in that villa) to some german media outlets last week.

anyway, here are excerpts



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Obviously the huddled masses will vote for the actual socialist parties.
yes that's the point. they will surely not vote for NEOS. who I am not sure how they "allow" for a significant 3rd world immigration?

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also not bad, various parodies of it out there

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but then thats the question. why set that thing up 2 years ago and release it now? who's behind it? the Mossad, Russia, german lefties, Hitler, or Sebastian Kurz himself (who never liked the proletarian uneducated Strache much)? or maybe Orbán himself, trying to take over our old colony?
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Surely not Mossad, since Bibi are down with likeminded nationalists.

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Bibi not the boss of Mossad

FPÖ surely not likeminded with Likud either. ÖVP more like.
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This from the Financial Times (28/09/2018, https://www.ft.com/content/a8a56f82-...d36dfef1b89a):

'The Austrian interior ministry spokesman said he only intended to improve communication by the country’s regional police forces.

'But the email sent by Christoph Pölzl has this week caused one of the biggest rifts in Austria’s government since chancellor Sebastian Kurz last December grabbed international headlines by forging a coalition deal with the far-right Freedom party.

'Dispatched to regional police departments, Mr Pölzl’s email urged restricting information to “critical media”, which included the mainstream Der Standard newspaper. It also encouraged police to identify the nationality and asylum status of suspects, and to “proactively” publicise some sex attacks.'

Political media censorship, discrimination within the criminal justice system on the basis of attributes irrelevant to purported crimes and the curiously selective hyping of sexual attacks...

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lets translate Austrian party system into Israel's

ÖVP = Likud (medium government, nationalist, anti-zionist)
SPÖ = haAwoda/Labor (big government, socialist, zionist)
NEOS = blue&white/Kulanu (small government, centrist, zionist)
jetzt/Pilz = Meretz (big government, leftist populism, anti-zionist))
FPÖ = Shas/UTJ/URP (medium to big government, nationalism, religious conservatism, anti-zionist)
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yes that's the point. they will surely not vote for NEOS.
I never said they would vote for NEOS, but NEOS are apparently dumb enough to open the door anyway.

Quite an impressive self-defeating three-pronged stategy they have actually:

- Import socialist voters
- Import welfare dependents
- More power to the EU.


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who I am not sure how they "allow" for a significant 3rd world immigration?
Of course they will, that's an important part of their libtardiness. They're with the Greens on that score, even further left than the Social Democrats.

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FPÖ are the Austrian Orbans and therefore down with Bibi, nationalists. I know it's hard for you to get your head around, because Hitler, but try.

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lol at that list. how are the Greens (full control freak stalinists) "left-libertarian"? that term is a paradox in itself, no?
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FPÖ are the Austrian Orbans and therefore down with Bibi, nationalists. I know it's hard for you to get your head around, because Hitler, but try.
ÖVP are the austrian Orbáns, if anything, and therefore down with Bibi.
FPÖ are rather socialist than anything else, economically and government-size speaking. plus the fact that their members and voters come mostly from working-class and behave like such. your obsession with some imaginary immigration and open borders is funny actually. it's a marginal issue. most immigrants in Austria are of Tschuschen stock. (that's how we call the Yugos down there)
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This from the Financial Times (28/09/2018, https://www.ft.com/content/a8a56f82-...d36dfef1b89a):

'The Austrian interior ministry spokesman said he only intended to improve communication by the country’s regional police forces.

'But the email sent by Christoph Pölzl has this week caused one of the biggest rifts in Austria’s government since chancellor Sebastian Kurz last December grabbed international headlines by forging a coalition deal with the far-right Freedom party.

'Dispatched to regional police departments, Mr Pölzl’s email urged restricting information to “critical media”, which included the mainstream Der Standard newspaper. It also encouraged police to identify the nationality and asylum status of suspects, and to “proactively” publicise some sex attacks.'

Political media censorship, discrimination within the criminal justice system on the basis of attributes irrelevant to purported crimes and the curiously selective hyping of sexual attacks...
Yes, why on earth would someone 'hype' sexual attacks after Cologne and the grooming armies in Britain.

Pretty rich to call the nationalist parties out for media censorship, when liberal governments in Germany, UK, France, etc. do everything to control the debate (inlcuding debates about 'hyped sexual attacks') in lockstep with tech giants and the EU Commission.

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