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post #1 of 716 (permalink) Old October 2nd, 2016, 12:04 Thread Starter
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Question Global Warming: Natural or Manmade?

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Probably a bit of both.

Cutting down on pollution is a good thing either way.

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I'll take the conservative approach

God does everything so it's a good thing/it doesn't even exist.
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There has been huge swings in temperature in the past that have had nothing to do with humans.....that being said, putting all the crap that we humans put into the environment doesn't help the short run. So, I'm going to say mostly natural but a manmade effect is undeniable.

So, what Nacka said....

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it seems to be one of the topics on where there's a strong scientific consensus (that it's manmade) but somehow common people are brainwashed/ignorant enough to think otherwise and ignore all the scientific evidence.

although it must be said that some climate scientists have also made strong cases for natural causes/cycles...although many of them are of course connected with the fossil fuel lobby which is always happy to fund these researchers.

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Kinda sad we're using old dead dinosaurs to make cars run.
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Don't get me started on this one

come on...andy opened this one for u

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it seems to be one of the topics on where there's a strong scientific consensus (that it's manmade) but somehow common people are brainwashed/ignorant enough to think otherwise and ignore all the scientific evidence.

although it must be said that some climate scientists have also made strong cases for natural causes/cycles...although many of them are of course connected with the fossil fuel lobby which is always happy to fund these researchers.
climate changes for natural reasons happen every once in a while, so its not all man made, problem is we ( humans) are playing a huge part in the current changes, not only in terms of its "quality" but also the speed with with which all is happenning

i mean, if we can see changes such as we do,on the "naked eye", in our lifetimes, its enough to know we are messing up really bad, even without any scientifical studies to make proof of it
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well there are others too who have seen those changes in their lifetimes...actually the global climate used to be about as warm as it is now even around 700 years ago...Vikings were growing crops in Greenland until the Little Ice Age set in. But the rise over the recent decades has been pretty scary of course.




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Get with the program, Andy! They don't refer to 'global warming' anymore, because it was actually getting colder. It's now called 'climate change', which means they're safe either way.

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overall ecosystem as a whole can easily deal with everything climate throws in its way...not so sure about humans though

those huge climate changes during the last 20 000 years or so definitely make you think...right now we are living in a pretty happy and stable period.


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it seems to be one of the topics on where there's a strong scientific consensus (that it's manmade) but somehow common people are brainwashed/ignorant enough to think otherwise and ignore all the scientific evidence.

although it must be said that some climate scientists have also made strong cases for natural causes/cycles...although many of them are of course connected with the fossil fuel lobby which is always happy to fund these researchers.
Climate Change science is anything but predictive. I always groan when I hear predictions from, especially, non-scientists on what is going to happen xxx years from now. Most scientists are wise enough not to give definitive predictions because they usually end up with egg on their faces.

I think we need to approach this from a different tack and just say let's stop putting so much shit in the air. People can relate to that better than apocalyptic predictions that, if they don't come true, end up being counter-productive.

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Get with the program, Andy! They don't refer to 'global warming' anymore, because it was actually getting colder. It's now called 'climate change', which means they're safe either way.
funny...not exactly true though as climate change has a wider meaning (not just temperature) and those two terms are being used simultaneously

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Climate Change science is anything but predictive. I always groan when I hear predictions from, especially, non-scientists on what is going to happen xxx years from now. Most scientists are wise enough not to give definitive predictions because they usually end up with egg on their faces.

I think we need to approach this from a different tack and just say let's stop putting so much shit in the air. People can relate to that better than apocalyptic predictions that, if they don't come true, end up being counter-productive.
what's strange is that we don't actually even know what the future holds...what if we will be hit with another Little Ice Age during the next couple of hundred years? We then might have to start pumping CO2 into the atmosphere on purpose.

But "let's stop putting so much shit in the air" ain't happening...global fossil fuel emissions are rising every year, despite of all the public talk. Even keeping them on the same level as on the year before is seen as an hopelessly optimistic idea.

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... those two terms are being used simultaneously
Indeed. When the temperature increases; proof of global warming! When the temperature decreases; proof of climate change!

But as difficult as it is for us humans here on Earth, imagine what the aliens on Mars are going through: Mars also undergoing climate change as ice age retreats, study shows - Washington Times

It's gotten so bad that I've heard rumors that the city council of Ciudad de Mars has outlawed citizens from firing up nuclear mass accelerators in their backyards and has restricted use of proton energy fields on weekends. Their constitutional rights are being trampled on and nobody seems to be able to do anything against it, all in the name of science!
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Well, we in California are doing it and have always been at the forefront of cleaning the air. The rest of the country is catching up but slowly.

I agree though, it isn't going to happen. Global corporations just move to states/countries where the environmental standards aren't as strict. Here in Cali a lot of them just moved a few miles south. There is even an industry called "Maquiladora" that grew up based, partly at least, on the ability of corporations to do business more easily....wink wink.

When my daughters college soccer team was touring China some years back, she said that there were certain cities where they weren't allowed to play because the air was so bad......

Anyways......

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yeah in a study from like a few years ago 19 out of the 20 most polluted big cities in the world were in China (the only other one was Mexico City obv)

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As some have said we should want to reduce pollution no matter what. Very easy example is I see people jogging on the pavements of (major) roads and I am 100% sure any advantage that increased heart beat and muscle movement provides is negated 1000 times over with what is going in the body. So from a 'local' pollutant perspective burning any fossil fuel should be enemy #1, who even cares about climate effects.

I like how the right wing or whatever you call them get hyped up by hollywood movies, I remember reading reactions to the movie The Day After Tomorrow, as if people were expecting to see the maker of Stargate and Independence Day produce a documentary or as if people who believe in man made climate change were saying that's how it is going to happen.

Human activity and burning so much does have an effect on the environment, denying it is very perplexing. With massive cuts to CO2 sucking plants over the course of 20th century it is shocking anybody denies this. Now of course some want to say its effect is cooling not warming and this is where the evidence comes in. This is what should shut down debates, those graphs that show the trend should shut down debates of its effects because there is no debating that something is happening and should be very obvious like I said (because less trees, more cars, etc.)
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