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Trappatoni Benfica tactics

Ive decided to make a detailed article on great tactics used in modern portugal. My plan is to use 2-3 tactics used by great teams since 1995.

Today im asking you guys how did trappatoni play with benfica this year.Same stuff really needed as what was in the mourinhio thread.Again ill achnoledge anyone who gives info in the article.

Please help me out with any information

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post #2 of 24 (permalink) Old July 1st, 2005, 16:16
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11 players, 1 ref. Worked just fine.
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11 players, 1 ref. Worked just fine.

Real funny

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11 players, 1 ref. Worked just fine.
And here you have Lagarto humor at it's finest...

Millwall Rule, one of the tactics was to exploit an opponents weakness. When Benfica played Sporting, it was known that Ricardo was the frango king. We just exploited that and sure enough it paid off.

Oh and the Lagarto humor provided by Marta is free of charge for your detailed article.
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Giovanni normally used Portugal's 4-2-3-1.

After Winter Session

----------Quim
Miguel-Luisao-Rocha-Dos Santos
-------Petit-Fernandes--------
Geovanni-Assis-Simao
---------Gomes--------------

Before the transfer session he pretty much changed it a little bit from match to match.
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----------Quim
Miguel-Luisao-Rocha-Dos Santos
-------Petit-Fernandes--------
Geovanni-Assis-Simao
---------Gomes--------------
I'd back that ... with Manuel Fernandes playing a slightly more offensive role in midfield and Petit the rather defensive part.
The striker in Trap's system has to try and gain balls in the midfield already and the midfielders are all forced to do defensive work, which actually starts with agressive pressing in the midfield (Benfica gained an outstanding amount of balls there this season)

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so your saying me that benfica played a 4-3-3 which porto played or did trappatonni play it slightly different.Like less pressing etc

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so your saying me that benfica played a 4-3-3 which porto played or did trappatonni play it slightly different.Like less pressing etc
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I don't know what to say... really, I actually am pretty confused as to how I should word what I wish to say...

4-2-3-1

4 defenders, 2 central defensive midfielders, 3 offensive midfielders consisting of 2 wingers and one playmaker, 1 self-support striker

See Bier's post to see how Gio had his players work in this formation.

I honestly, just don't know where you got 4-3-3 from.
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This it he same formation mourinhio played with in domestic competition but i want to know did trappatonni play exactly the same style or slightly different

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This it he same formation mourinhio played with in domestic competition but i want to know did trappatonni play exactly the same style or slightly different
Once again though, where does 4-3-3 come into play?
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ok,have a look at mourinhio tactics thread.This is a 4-2-3-1 which turns to 4-3-3 when attacking a bit simloiar to that of mourinhios

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ok,have a look at mourinhio tactics thread.This is a 4-2-3-1 which turns to 4-3-3 when attacking a bit simloiar to that of mourinhios
I have not seen enough games of Trap at Benfica, but I can tell you that Trap fell in love for 4-2-3-1 during his crappy experience with the Italian NT. Since he is convinced that both in the World Cup 2002 and in the Euro 2004 he had no faults in the elimination of Italy ( :rollani: ) I think he had no doubts that 4-2-3-1 was a good formation to be adopted even at Benfica... and I read that he wants to keep it at Stuttgart. It hardly turns to be a 4-3-3 (why should it?) but, at least with Italy, it often became a 4-2-2-2 (briefly... a 4-4-2 with two defensive midfielders) depending on the position of Totti on the pitch.
Another "peculiarity" of Trapattoni with the Italian NT was that if Italy was up 1-0 after ten-twenty minutes in the second half he had to replace one of the 3 offensive midfielders with a defensive midfielder and move to a 4-3-2-1.
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ok,have a look at mourinhio tactics thread.This is a 4-2-3-1 which turns to 4-3-3 when attacking a bit simloiar to that of mourinhios
Um no.

What Bier said would make it a 5-5-0 in terms of how it is applied on the pitch, though. He never said anything about what they do when attacking. When attacking every team puts their players forward. Mourinho never came into this. Mourinho and Giovanni are two totally different managers with totally different ways of having their teams play.
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Exactly, the 4-2-3-1 IS actually the offensive version of Trap's tactics Simão and Geovanni by the way are rather tempted to go into the middle instead of running the wing when Benfica attack in order to profit from Miguel's runs on the right side who does the crossing ... occasionly also Dos Santos on the left, but not as excessive as Miguel (whom I regard a key player for Benfica last year so)

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Exactly, the 4-2-3-1 IS actually the offensive version of Trap's tactics Simão and Geovanni by the way are rather tempted to go into the middle instead of running the wing when Benfica attack in order to profit from Miguel's runs on the right side who does the crossing ... occasionly also Dos Santos on the left, but not as excessive as Miguel (whom I regard a key player for Benfica last year so)
That's true, they do take a more central role when they go up with the ball; but Simao and Geovanni still put in a fair share of crosses.
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ok thanks fo far i just what some more help can you answers this.

Do the lb and rb go froward or stay back

do the cbs play deep or pushed up

Do the dms stay mostly back or do they attack a lot

also do the 3 attacking midfielders hpw do they go forward,eg- 1 goes to the wing or do they alll stay central.How does the attacking midfielder play

Does the forward stay full forward or does he go deep to recieve

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ok thanks fo far i just what some more help can you answers this.

Do the lb and rb go froward or stay back

do the cbs play deep or pushed up

Do the dms stay mostly back or do they attack a lot

also do the 3 attacking midfielders hpw do they go forward,eg- 1 goes to the wing or do they alll stay central.How does the attacking midfielder play

Does the forward stay full forward or does he go deep to recieve
Half of those have already been covered.
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Trappatonni? Trappatoni?

It's no big deal usually, but if you're writing an article about him then it's spelt; Trapattoni
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Trappatonni? Trappatoni?

It's no big deal usually, but if you're writing an article about him then it's spelt; Trapattoni
Some people emphasize the p's for piss poor.
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ok thanks fo far i just what some more help can you answers this.

Do the lb and rb go froward or stay back

do the cbs play deep or pushed up

Do the dms stay mostly back or do they attack a lot

also do the 3 attacking midfielders hpw do they go forward,eg- 1 goes to the wing or do they alll stay central.How does the attacking midfielder play

Does the forward stay full forward or does he go deep to recieve
In the beginning of the season Fyssas played more often than Dos Santos. Although he was defensive, Miguel was in form on the right-back, showing his very offensive style. But then Miguel got some injuries and Dos Santos also replaced Fyssas on the left. This way, Dos Santos was more offensive than the right-back (João Pereira) and when Miguel returned from injury, not completely treated, he played with many cautions.

Luisão and Ricardo Rocha (centre-backs) don't have specific orders to play deep or pushed up. They play according to the team's current strategy.

The dm's, especially M.Fernandes, attacked a bit.

It's hard to say which position do the attacking midfielders play because they are not exact all the time. Simão is a winger who usually goes into the middle but so is Geovanni. The attacking midfielder centre, Nuno Assis, had some troubles to do the playmaking and his solution was to stick himself next to the forward Nuno Gomes, where he had no phyisique to make his presence.
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