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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old July 25th, 2005, 05:42 Thread Starter
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The Dutch Masters

Ok, down in the city (Melbourne), they are showing works by some of the greatest Dutch artists - these are also being shown at the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam.

For anyone that is an expert on some of the greatest Dutch artists, is this worth seeing? I think Rembrandt is one of them, amongst others.
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Not knowing the exact institutions or galleries to which you are referring, I'd still say, by all means, go visit

Holland's golden age (aka the 17th Century) has produced brilliant works of art and left us names to remember--Rembrandt, Ostade, van Ruisdaels, Hobbema (as well as those they influenced, e.g., Vincent Van Gogh). In our little forum here, there are samples to peruse: -

https://www.xtratime.org/forum/showpo...37&postcount=2

https://www.xtratime.org/forum/showpo...2&postcount=21

The Dutch are responsible for the blossoming of landscape art; not to mention the production of fine individuals who know how to interpret life's pain, glory and humour: Rembrandt, Van Gogh, Boyo

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If you have the opportunity, you should certainly go see it. To see such paintings as they are, to see them 'live', is far better than just look at a print or a picture. If you see the actual painting, you don't just see it, you experience it. You can smell it, you can see the structure in the canvas, you can imagine the great master standing right in front of it, exactly where you're standing, touching with his brush the very object before you. It's a physical connection with the past.

I remember when I was captured by the magnificent beauty of Rembrandt's "Old Man", in the Mauritshuis, a museum in a majestic old building, in The Hague. They had acquired it only days earlier and I went first thing in the morning, when it was still very quiet. There were just two other people besides myself, and we just sat there for hours, staring at that paiting. Time seemed to have ceased to exist. A great experience. As is everything in the Mauritshuis. It has a very relaxed and open atmosphere. You can walk right up to the paintings for a close look, or sit in chair and take it all in.

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Boyo, Bonita, thanks very much for a great artwork :thmbup:
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One of the greats --

Johannes Vermeer, also known as Jan Vermeer or Johannes van der Meer, was born in 1632, in the city of Delft in The Netherlands.
Considered to be one of the great Dutch masterpainters now, his work however, was forgotten after his death in 1675. It was not rediscovered until the late 19th century. Little is known about his life and only a small number of his paintings [36 to be precise] have been preserved.

In this and forthcoming posts, let's look at some of Vermeer's work






Allegory of Painting, 1665
Oil on Canvas - 47" x 39" (120 x 100 cm)
Collection: Kunsthistorisches Museum, Vienna

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Gezicht op Delft (sight on Delft), 1660 Mauritshuis, The Hague, Holland.

The gates you see in the front and the church in the background are still there. As are most of the buildings actually. Delft is one of the best preserved, typically Dutch cities. It's also known for it's Delftware porcelain.

http://www.curioso.org/images/2004/05/vermeer/04.jpg

It's amazing how well he managed to capture the water. It's almost like a photograph.

Which is a feeling I get when looking at that picture anyway. I guess to that the talking people in the foreground also contribute. He's painted it to make it seem like a snapshot, like what one would see when just taking a stroll outside and looking at the city. Much like what photographs do today.

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I don't really know anything about art but Vermeer's paintings are amazing, IMO,

“But we're a university! We have to have a library!" said Ridcully. "It adds tone. What sort of people would we be if we didn't go into the library?"

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Indeed they are, A-R

Another view of Delft ...



Johannes Vermeer, The Little Street, 1659 - 1660
Oil on Canvas - 21" x 17" (54.3 x 44 cm)
Collection Rijksmuseum, Amsterdam, The Netherlands

Many people presume that the street in this painting is an existing street in Delft. However, Vermeer combined a number of real buildings to get a better composition. The little gate, through which we see a woman, resembles the little gate of the St. Luke's Guild, of which Vermeer was a member.

The people in his paintings were copied intensely by artists in subsequent decades [or even centuries]. For instance, Jean-Franįois Millet, the great 19th century French Barbizon landscapist was so inspired he replicated the two female figures here in his paintings "The Gleaners" [Les glaneuses] and The Seamstress [La couseuse].

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[Detail] The Little Street

Right. Two down, 34 to go. Let's see if we can post all the Vermeer paintings here.

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Note the function of the foot stove in the following painting [lower right, background] was to warm women's feet in the winter.



Johannes Vermeer, Milkmaid, 1658 - 1660
Oil on Canvas - 18" x 16" (45.5 x 41 cm)
Collection Rijksmuseum, Amsterdam, The Netherlands


And, remember the painting below in the movie?




Johannes Vermeer, Young Woman with a Water Pitcher, 1664 - 1665
Oil on Canvas - 18" x 16" (45.7 x 40.5 cm)
Collection Metropolitan Museum of Art

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Which movie? Girl with a Pearl Earring? I only vaguely remember the picture you posted.


Girl with a Pearl Earring:


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Yes, A-R, I was referring to The Girl with A Pearl Earring, the recent movie [Girl with A Pearl Earring [1660-1665, oil on canvas; 19" x 16" (47 x 40 cm)] the painting can be viewed at Boyo's favourite Yurp museum--Mauritshuis, The Hague, Holland.] Note the scene in which Colin Firth asked Scarlett Johansson to look under the cloth into the camera obscura--and she was astonished to find a likeness of The Woman with the Water Pitcher

The camera obscura was commonly used by 17th Century Dutch painters to replicate scenes from nature. [As Boyo so astutley pointed out in post #6, the Delft landscape has the look and feel of a snapshot.)

It is very probable that Vermeer also used a camera obscura for the painting below. The camera obscura was a painting tool. A side effect of this tool was that the objects in the foreground of the painting were blurred and misshaped. This is visible in several of Vermeer's paintings, like 'Girl with the red hat' and 'Officer and laughing girl'. In the lace maker we clearly see how the foreground is much more vaguely and roughly painted by Vermeer. This directs out attention to the girl and her work.




Johannes Vermeer, The Lacemaker, 1669-1670
Oil on Canvas - 9" x 8" (24 x 21 cm)
Collection Louvre, Paris

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As these paintings are mentioned in the last post, let's take a look.

The girl in the following painting [Girl with the Red Hat] has often been identified as one of Vermeer's daughters.

Underneath this painting is another painting. The hidden painting is a portrait of a man, wearing a white kerchief. The identity of this man is unknown.



Johannes Vermeer, Girl with the Red Hat, 1665-1666
Oil on Canvas - 9" x 7" (24 x 17 cm)
Collection National Gallery of Art, Washington DC, USA


Below - An Officer and a Laughing Girl:



Johannes Vermeer, An Officer and a Laughing Girl, 1658-1660
Oil on Canvas - 20" x 18" (50.5 x 46 cm)
Coll Frick Collection, New York

There has been a long discussion about the identity of the two figures in this painting. At one point it was believed that the woman in the painting

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was a prostitute and the officer one of her clients, but this has never been confirmed in any way.



The following painting, "Girl with a Flute" is not yet identified as an authentic Vermeer but is attributed to the artist.




Girl with a Flute - attributed to Johannes Vermeer, 1665
Oil on Canvas - 8" x 7" (20.2 x 18 cm)
Collection National Gallery, Washington

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More images to come, but for now, a list of Vermeer's oil paintings in chronological order:

1. 1654 Diana and her companions
2. 1655 Saint Praxidis
3. 1656 The procuress
4. 1657 Girl reading a letter at an open window
5. 1657 A woman asleep
6. 1658 - 1660 View of Delft
7. 1658 - 1660 Milkmaid
8. 1658 - 1660 Officer and a laughing girl
9. 1658 - 1660 The glass of wine
10. 1659 - 1660 The little street
11. 1659 - 1660 The girl with the wine glass
12. 1660 The concert
13. 1660 - 1661 Girl interrupted at her music
14. 1660 - 1665 Girl with a pearl earring
15. 1662 - 1664 Woman in blue
16. 1662 - 1664 Woman with the lute
17. 1662 - 1665 Woman with a balance
18. 1662 - 1665 The music lesson
19. 1664 - 1665 Young woman with a waterpitcher
20. 1664 - 1665 Woman with the pearl necklace
21. 1664 - 65 Christ in the house of Martha and Mary
22. 1665 The allegory of painting
23. 1665 A lady writing a letter
24. 1665 - 1666 Girl with the red hat
25. 1667 Love letter
26. 1667 A lady writing a letter with her maid
27. 1667 - 1668 Portrait of a young woman
28. 1667 - 1668 Mistress and maid
29. 1668 The astronomer
30. 1668 - 1669 The geographer
31. 1669 - 1670 The lacemaker
32. 1670 The guitar player
33. 1670 The allegory of faith
34. 1670 Lady seated at the virginals
35. 1673 Lady standing at the virginals

* and, Girl with a flute, 1665 [ref post above], a painting that is atrributed to Vermeer.

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Ok, down in the city (Melbourne), they are showing works by some of the greatest Dutch artists - these are also being shown at the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam.

For anyone that is an expert on some of the greatest Dutch artists, is this worth seeing? I think Rembrandt is one of them, amongst others.
Im from mel so i know what your talking about. You should definately go, its one of the best art displays too come to melbourne ever.
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and now for the art of ... Rembrandt.




Rembrandt van Rijn [Dutch Baroque Era Painter and Engraver, 1606-1669]
Old Man with a Gold Chain, c. 1631, Oil on panel, 83.1 x 75.7 cm
Colln Art Institute of Chicago





Rembrandt van Rijn [Dutch Baroque Era Painter and Engraver, 1606-1669]
The Mill, c. 1650; Oil on canvas, 87.5 x 105.5 cm (34 1/2 x 41 1/2 in)
Colln National Gallery of Art, Washington



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A Rembrandt {re}discovered ...

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The Case of the Servant With the Fur Collar

By CAROL VOGEL - Published: September 22, 2005 (nytimes.com)

Why was she wearing fur?

That was one of the first questions experts asked when they began studying a 17th-century portrait of a woman who had the unmistakably stolid face of a servant but was decked out in a sumptuous fur collar. And why did the light on her face appear to be reflected off the dark surface of that collar when it should be absorbed by it?

These were puzzling questions, since the woman, whose head is covered in a plain white bonnet, certainly did not seem to belong to the class of 17th-century Dutch society that had its portraits painted. Some experts would have taken one look at the canvas and immediately dismissed it as the work of a minor artist.



The restored "Portrait of an Elderly Woman in a White Bonnet" after a fur collar was removed.



"Portrait of an Elderly Woman in a White Bonnet" with the fur collar.

But when Ernst van der Wetering, the head of the Rembrandt Research Project, saw the painting, he recognized something far more important than her dress.

For more than two years now, the painting on wood panel has been undergoing slow but extensive restoration and study under the care of Mr. van der Wetering and Martin Bijl, a former head of conservation for the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam. With scientists' help, they have concluded that the painting is a Rembrandt from about 1640 that someone tried, a century later, to transform into a formal portrait.

No other experts have seen the painting - until today, when it goes on view at the Rembrandt House in Amsterdam in anticipation of a celebration of the 400th anniversary of the artist's birth in 2006. Now, the theory will be posed to the world's Rembrandt scholars. The painting is then headed for the auction block, at Sotheby's January sale of old master paintings in New York.

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