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Art in Context : Discussion 6

How is art preceived in your city/country in regards to

1. Education: is art taught in elementary, secondary levels?

2. Education: are there art departments in your local universities?

3. Education: Are there vocational schools - at university level - where art is taught as possible career paths for the students?

4. Social welfare: Are there artists' unions in your country/city?

5. Points of view: Do people in your country/city view old master/modern art differently from contemporary art? (Such as, who are the audience each category, etc.) Please explain.

6. Censorship: Can you remember any incidents when a work of art - old master, modern or contemporary - was censored in your city/country? Please tell us the detailed story (e.g. what is the work and the artist, who censored it and on what ground was it censored).

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post #2 of 7 (permalink) Old February 7th, 2005, 17:10
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1 - In in the exactly process of writing an essay for my specializaiton about the teaching of art here (more in the sense of what and how, than where) right now...Here art is mostly focused in elementary school. Secondary levels those days are directed for the preparation to university, which means, the competition to be trained for the working marketing. Art is not Law, you know, It is not a career :P

2 - Yes. But they are not many neither powerful enough...

3 - Yes. Although for example, there is not a Cinema university, so you have to get a curse that by chance teaches you to make movies and look for extra curses...

4 - Yes, but here it does not mean that much.

5 - The public does not have any idea and they would ask back what is modern, what is contemporary, etc. Some do not even reckon that their popular art is art. Now some can make the classification in the sense of historic (Barroco style often and relate it to the historical cities here and a famous artist named Aliejadinho), they may relate the Modern art to their symbols here (Niemeyer, Brasilia, the Museum in Sao Paulo and the Week of Modern Art in 1922, even if they can not related Villas-Lobos or Humberto Mauro - musician and moviemaker- with the same movement for example).

6 - Perhaps that question would need a bigger memory for some, but here is not that much, because we lived a Militar dictatorship from 1964 to 1985, and in 1969 an act of the Militar Governament they made all media in the country to be rulled by censorship.
Funny enough, this period produced the Music of Chico Buarque de Holanda, Caetano Velloso, among others who are very critic, but with great poetry are able to make the music pass by the "experts" of the censorship group or the high allegorical movies of Glauber Rocha, that was so allegorical that a general said to not censor it at all, because No one in the public would understand it anyways.
We also had the Getulio Vargas dictatorship from 30 to 45, Vargas did not liked critics to him, but he was a bit wiser (and facist and urbanist) so he instead of fighting the modernist movemment hired them to work for "Brazil", which worked very well, because both had the idea of Modern Brasil and national integration behind their "plans". The idea of Vargas - more politc that the militars - was to keep the enemies close to him, make them fight among themselves and keep to be the center of attention - turned the history of censorship during his period not as big.
During the militar regime they are however a disaster. They destroyed the artistic evolution here, from the country in the 60's that are up with Europe, with great musical inovation, great works of cinema, the hand of state smoothered it and when it was over in the 80's we had a period of 10 years without a national production of movies and all our music turned to be either the old guard from before the 70's or the attemt of copy of US music...Gladdly freedom already turned us back. So, any daily pappers you would see poems of Camoes or cooking recipies that are used at last time to replace a notice that was not allowed to go on. I remember movies such Clockwork Orange who arrived here with more than a half hour cut and black balls in the screen trying to cover the genitals in the movie. Je Vous Sale, Marie scandal was much bigger and funny enough not because the religious scandal that it could had, but because "it was a scandal that could make people do scandals in group" and was all cut down. There was a TV soap opera , basead on a play from Dias Gomes (another allegory to make critic of the public power using a false hero to mobilize the public) was banned from the tv in 1978. There was musics that never got in the radio stations because they are afraid to get the attention of the governament and even footballers suffered a bit, for Example, Reinaldo a more active voice with ties with intelectuais here who are sided (in the sense of communist ideology) with Cuba was never accepted by the governament and many related his non-call in 1982 World Cup to the pressure of the Governament.
There is more stories (altough some of the stories of censorship are due the moralism of society, like naked scenes cut or cursing edited in music, etc.) but I would need a research to give details.
Now a funny thing, you may find lovely, some of the censorship was done by a old lady. The censor did not cared much for it so he asked his old old mother what was her opinion. So sometimes an artist get away with his work because he was "a so good young boy, my son. "
I have discovered a long ago, that for Some reasons Brazil always find a way to make everything happens in very odd way that in centuries to come people will think it is comedy that happened here.

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1. Yes, but it is alway the first thing to get cut (along with sports and music) when the budget gets tight.
2. Yes, there is a fine arts department in SFSU. I don't know about Stanford and Cal but I suppose they also have them. We also have the California College of Arts (and Crafts), my cousin goes there, the San Francisco Art Institute (many friends have gone there) and the Acadamey of Art University, which is a for-profit enterprise and exists only to suck the money of gullible cartoonists from Alamo and Hayward.
3. I think all of these (maybe less for the SFAI or CCA) are intended to pop out commercial artists, just like those old "Draw Tippy" ads they used to run in the TV Guide. They should probably used Tippy as the admissions test for the AAU...that an a minimum means test of the parents bank account.
4. Not anything formal, I don't think. if you go to certain watering holes, you won't toss a cow without hitting an artistic type, though, but that doesn't count.
5. Oh yeah. Old masters (anything up to the Impressionists really) is educational and should be seen by all. Anything else is for a small coterie of hipsters and shouldn't get a mention in the paper of record.
6. Censorship in San Francisco? That'll be the day. You're gonna make me go back and look this up on the internet aren't you? Not that I can remember, unless the time someone stole the Rembrandt from the DeYoung, they did it for aesthetic reasons...

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1. Education: is art taught in elementary, secondary levels?
Yes but rather as something that has to be done. With society getting more meritocratic it will probably disappear since the obligation will become softer
2. Education: are there art departments in your local universities?
You can have a degree in Art History in most univeristies, but Antwerp doesn't offer those courses.

3. Education: Are there vocational schools - at university level - where art is taught as possible career paths for the students?
Not really at university level, but at tertiary schools that are in association with universities: they are called academies.

4. Social welfare: Are there artists' unions in your country/city?
Not really. Every once in a while they try but artists apparently are too much individualistic for such a thing (which is their loss). There is Sabam which is an organisation that makes sure copyrights are protected (and most of all payed for). They claimto defend artists interest but in reality they are nothing but corporate slaves.

5. Points of view: Do people in your country/city view old master/modern art differently from contemporary art? (Such as, who are the audience each category, etc.) Please explain.
It's kind of what Heather said. There is this classical mistrust of modern art, above that we have the tradition of flemish masters which makes the focus lay very much on the old works eventhough Magritte, Permeke,... and many others are as high standard.

6. Censorship: Can you remember any incidents when a work of art - old master, modern or contemporary - was censored in your city/country? Please tell us the detailed story (e.g. what is the work and the artist, who censored it and on what ground was it censored).
Normally anything is possible here. After the Dutroux case some moralists tried to impose censurship on nudity, specially when the models looked kind of young. I remember one exhibit being closed in Antwerp because some said the painter had a pedosexual message. Fortunately that collective wave of masshysteria and stupidity is long over now.

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1. Education: is art taught in elementary, secondary levels?

art is taught until 8th grade

2. Education: are there art departments in your local universities?

in my university arts are part of the liberal education program the institution is trying to promote and we have a variety of art courses offered, each student is required to take at least one art course.
But in general, Bulgarian univeristies do not take art into consideration, not talking about the specialised such

3. Education: Are there vocational schools - at university level - where art is taught as possible career paths for the students?

yes, and they are very good although with scarse resources...
National Academy for Theatre and Film Arts Krustju Sarafov, National Academy of Arts, State Academy of Music Pantcho Vladigerov are the most famous

4. Social welfare: Are there artists' unions in your country/city?

yes, we have, the one with the greatest tradition is the Union of the Bulgarian Artists, it used to be a very powerful an dwell-known one, it still is in the moment although not as in the past.

5. Points of view: Do people in your country/city view old master/modern art differently from contemporary art? (Such as, who are the audience each category, etc.) Please explain.

I can't say people here disregard contemporary art, maybe because not many really care about art...

6. Censorship: Can you remember any incidents when a work of art - old master, modern or contemporary - was censored in your city/country? Please tell us the detailed story (e.g. what is the work and the artist, who censored it and on what ground was it censored).

I have heard of censorship during the communist era, I can't give a specific example though
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1. Education: is art taught in elementary, secondary levels?

It is taught in elementary but by secondary school it's no longer a compulsory subject; can be taken up by choice, of course.

2. Education: are there art departments in your local universities?

Not at technical universities, we don't. However, we do have seperate universities for art and culture.

3. Education: Are there vocational schools - at university level - where art is taught as possible career paths for the students?

Yes, but my impression of such schools is that they mostly entertain wannabe artists who come from the upper class and need something to talk about on social occasions.

4. Social welfare: Are there artists' unions in your country/city?

Even if there were, I don't think I would know but I highly doubt it.

5. Points of view: Do people in your country/city view old master/modern art differently from contemporary art? (Such as, who are the audience each category, etc.) Please explain.

Definitely. People with a genuine interest in art certainly give due regard to old masters. I don't know for what reason the audience for old art include a good percentage of those families that are in any way associated with the armed forces. Contemporary art, on the other hand, is generally enjoyed by the younger generation; mostly people who have a hunger to learn but for a variety of reasons cannot afford to.

6. Censorship: Can you remember any incidents when a work of art - old master, modern or contemporary - was censored in your city/country? Please tell us the detailed story (e.g. what is the work and the artist, who censored it and on what ground was it censored).

None. Although where I live right now (United Arab Emirates) nudity used to be censored to a certain extent up until 5-10 years ago. Not any more, though.

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1. Education: is art taught in elementary, secondary levels?

Bloody oath it is.

2. Education: are there art departments in your local universities?

Um....well my uni is all design, but for now i will say no and divide the two. But other universities have a art department.

3. Education: Are there vocational schools - at university level - where art is taught as possible career paths for the students?

Ofcourse, we have fine arts courses and many types of courses which teach about art theory and practice and everything you can think of about being an artist. There are courses which are more hands on and ones which are totally theory. I visit some uni art exhibitions sometimes.

4. Social welfare: Are there artists' unions in your country/city?

Absolutely NO idea!

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