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TEST / Dadaist, Surrealist: the Irrational and the dream

The surrealist movement was anticipated by ab earlier proto-surrealist group called by the nonsense term Dada.

This was a movement towards anything pompus, conventional in society & the arts. From Art ,Music, drama and poetry the dadaist attacked with satire.

Men like Jean Arp, Hugo Ball and tristan Tzara who were deeply influenced by the works of marcel Duchamp.

I thought that this would be a chance for us to talk about this movement with painting from Dali and the others and see the effects and influence this movement had on 20th century art.

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One of my favorite painters is Salvador Dalí. I was lucky to see some of his work while in Barcelona. I've always been fascinated by this one. It's just so odd, and mysterious. Many of his paintings were odd actually, a true father of Surrealism


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Che, I'm sure that you would love this museum. It's nice to see that we've had recovered some the works of our greatest artists of the 20th century. Franco was a cancer for everything... how many things we missed for 40 years

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I was introduced to Miro was I was just a lad of 19, I was living in Hawaii and they had a traveling show, it blew me away the paintings of his bio-morphic figures
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If you are ever in St. Petersburg Florida, there, of all places, is the Salvador Dali Museum. It seems that some art loving millionaire and his wife bought a large percentage of Dali's work and retired to South Florida. They then endowed a museum there, between the Dale Mabry Ave. Winn-Dixie and the Mons Veneris Strip Emporium (I am not kidding, it is equidistant between those two landmarks). It is a really cool place, and well worth a look after seeing 'Gator Rassling Cracker Style' and the Life of Christ Wax Museum at Sunken Gardens.

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Cool place indeed Heather

On Duchamp. [again] He lived for many years towards the end of his life in a fifth floor walk-up on West 14th Street between Ninth and Tenth Avenues in New York City; quite near the Church of Our Lady Guadalupe. Every afternoon he would take a walk down to the Marshall Chess Club in the Village and stayed there up quite late. Although there was another chess club down the street on West 14th but for some reasons, Duchamp never set foot in it.

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Max Ernst. And his surrealist novel made of collages, Une Semaine De Bonté.



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"L.H.O.O.Q.", 1919

I know the initials are suppose to be a french joke...

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The initials, when pronounced, yield the phrase "elle a chaud au cul," babelfish it, Che

Duchamp's other puns include the "Portrait of Rose Selavy" and "My niece is cold because my knee is cold."
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Cool place indeed Heather

On Duchamp. [again] He lived for many years towards the end of his life in a fifth floor walk-up on West 14th Street between Ninth and Tenth Avenues in New York City; quite near the Church of Our Lady Guadalupe. Every afternoon he would take a walk down to the Marshall Chess Club in the Village and stayed there up quite late. Although there was another chess club down the street on West 14th but for some reasons, Duchamp never set foot in it.

Now.

Max Ernst. And his surrealist novel made of collages, Une Semaine De Bonté.



Did you ever see the documentary where John Cage plays Duchamp in a game of chess?

The chess board would eminate sound as pieces on the board were moved.
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Surrealismus

It's my favortie style in art. Most known artists are Salvador Dali (who was hovever surrealist only few years), Max Ernst, Andre Breton (he wasn't plastic, but the leader of Surrealists), Andre Masson, Francis Picabia (ex-dadaist), Arschile Gorky, Dado, Victor Brauner (fantastic ezoterics paintings), Paul Delvaux and Yves Tanguy.
Surrealists wanted (like dadaists) to "destroy the art and religion". heir leader Andre Breton and thaeir periodics made many scandals. They didn't suppose that their paintings will be great treasures on art ...
Very interestings was titles of their paintings. For examlpe painting "Saint over saints" by Francis Picabia showed horn (!!!) and many of Tanguy's pictures has concrete titles and showes mysterius, unnatural landscapes.

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Welcome to the World of Art Forum, Poland-Cement

Please fill us in on all aspects of this most unusual group of the 1920's, I am never tired of Surrealist stories.

For your information, Che has already started a thread entitled The Irrational & The Dream : Dada, Surrealist Art, you may wish to check out the images over there.

A short cut to Che's DaDa and Surrealist thread is through the OUR MUSEUM sticky which serves as a directory to every [well, almost!] thread in this forum.

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Surrealismus is my favorite style in the plastic arts.
Of course, most known artists are Magritte, Dali (he is well known as a Surrealist, hovever he was in this group only few years), Ernst, Breton (ideologist and leader), Masson, Picabia, Gorky, Miro and Bellmer.

Renne Magritte is well known cuz of the titles of his paintings and the unnatural ladscapes (like Yves Tanguy). His paintings like "Unstopping moving", "Dreamings of alone man" or "Therapeutist" ae showing his play with the spectator - absurdal thinks wich break logic, hovever we must try to understand them. No doubt that the tragic death of Magritte's mother had a great influence on his art.

Hans Bellmer made many sculptures known as "Dolls". They show tragic unshape of women's body. Bellmer was making also graphics. Many critics are thinking, that his graphics have something to do with ideas of Freud.

Salvador Dali - the greatest genius in the modern art I think. He was a member of surrealists only for some years, he was thrown out from the group by the leader Andre Breton. Motifs like drawers or "soft clocks" are now symbols of surrealismus, hovever many of paintings and sculptures with this motives was made by him when he wasn't surrealist yet. His wife Gala had great influence on his pictures. He showed her in many of them.
His most known pictures are "Sculpture of the night", "Sad play", "Dream" "Great masturbator" and "Burning giraffe". His scupltures are also well known - "Cosmic elephant" or "Venus-giraffe".

Dado (his real name Mijodrag Djuric) was born in 1933 in Serbia. He painted in Paris where he joind to group of Surrealists. His pictures are showing tragic fight betwen horrible monsters. His most shoking pictures are "Bad student from Vesal II" and "Litle planty police". He is also one of my favorite surrealists.

Pictures of Andree Mason are very mysteriuos. Dadaists wanted him to join them, but he didn't agree. In 1923 he joind to surrealists. Firs his pictures was quite realist, but he found a method tyo make pictures from oil and sand. There's many sharp colorus in his pictures, and they are showing somethin unnatural or death, many dath - in the paintings "Blood of birds" or "Dead horses". He painted also "parocsis" pictures like "Trap for sun". His late pictures are near to abstract art.

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