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Can art give you comfort?

Leave the discussions for in here, but I don't think that I'm the only one who thinks that 2/11/2004 was an extremely sad day. One of those days that you think all hope is futile :depress:.

A way I get through such days is by turning away as much as possible from "the news" locking myself up in a fictional world of beauty. A bit of reading and some music, that givethe illusion that all is well. Today it's Brad's "The day brings" and a piece of Don Delillo's Underworld: the 14 august 1964, chapture on civil rights demonstrations in Mississipi.

Anybody else who handles it this way and what are the cultural goods you then "consume".

We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into peace!

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a nice nmh lyric that sums it up perfectly:

'its so sad to see the world agree
that they'd rather see their faces filled with flies
all when i'd want to keep white roses in their eyes..'
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Who are those beautiful lyrics from bob?

We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into peace!

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Of course

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I can honestly say that I don't really care about Bush getting another term in the office.There are things you can do something about and there are things outside your influence.There is no real point to be concerned about things that fall into the latter category.

Anyway, about the topic of the thread - art surely is comforting.It helps to see the world and human life through different angles.It eases the boredom and monotony of Western consumer culture.Good art can at least momentarily bring you on higher level of conciousness, closer to feel the absurdity and logic of life.

Big games are easy than the other games, unfortunately. Every times we have the control the games, under the control the games, during the games we had the some possibilities, some big chances, some big okazyons, something like that but what can I do, sometimes? And….it’s the football, that’s the football, something happened. Everything is something happened. - Fatih Terim
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Anybody else who handles it this way and what are the cultural goods you then "consume".
A book by Kurt Vonnegut is always a good choice.

Actually, Neutral Milk Hotel's songs are another thing that almost always make me feel better.For example, that same "Holland, 1945" what bob quoted in this thread.

Big games are easy than the other games, unfortunately. Every times we have the control the games, under the control the games, during the games we had the some possibilities, some big chances, some big okazyons, something like that but what can I do, sometimes? And….it’s the football, that’s the football, something happened. Everything is something happened. - Fatih Terim
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Of course it can be conforting. As bad as it sounds, eveading reality - or going to another reality, fictional - is completely necessary sometimes, specially in our full and information and speed era.
Nothing like listening to Beethoven's 9th and getting carried away by something as trivial as Harry Potter kicking Voldemort's ass, while sitting at your favourite couch and smoking a cigarrette. I can tell you, Bush and co. can't enter this world.

As for literature, anything enertaining can be good for thos evading times, but lyrical poetry above everything can give you that sort of confort.
As for music, the classics are the obvious choice, and Bob Marley's Three little Birds. Also that song, Don't worry, be happy can make my waking-up on a monday morning so much easy...

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No. I am just now looking at a photograph (yeah, I can do two things at once) of the interior of the Jesu church in Rome. Normally that much over-done, over the top, slightly pornographic baroque silliness would make me smile, but it is just making me think about the people who died in the inquisition. So no, it cannot.

You know the scene it's very hum-drum
And my favorite song's entitled "Boredom"...
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Not in the traditional sense, no. On the other hand, art does give me my monthly paychecks :tongue in cheek:

I think that no matter how hard we try, human beings have tremendous difficulties to see and appreciate each other. Perhaps, in another four years, when more lives are lost, towns in ruins, human rights destroyed and relics stolen, we may come to understand the need for tolerance. Then again, that may never happen because we are all living in our own little worlds, between fear and greed. On the morning of 3 November, 2004, many people asked: why do they pick such a dangerous man? The masses have no answer. Why should they? In many cases, they don't even know they have vocies.

Once upon a time, someone asked: why do they go fox-hunting? A man named Oscar Wilde answered: "becuase there lies a need for the despicable to chase the inedible."

Still, there is no such thing as an ideal leader, but only ideas. Ideas that rest within all of us, like air, in laughters or despair. Few people can grasp and expand their ideas. For those of you who do, some call it hope, others regard it as art. Don't you forget that

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Art is together with science our most powerful and developed system of knowledge. It does not comfort you more than telling you something is wrong and do not worry, there is people aware for that. (here, I may sound vulgar, but I still think the most impressive work in US those days still South Park. There is humour and critics there that sometimes make me think of the most sarcastics texts of Voltaire. The profanity...)
But then I am the opinion there was not leader (I have not even the notion, would the other side be that much better ? ), even the most naive there seems to knew there was no leader being elected, just a outspoken person for a group and his interests and ideas. That is the most disturbing. US have always produced a lot when the contradiction of society working in the commum interest and ideas worked together with the most individualists leadership. Now the individual in the power seems to be meaningless...

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Not in the traditional sense, no. On the other hand, art does give me my monthly paychecks :tongue in cheek:

By which you head straight to the liquor shop and by all the comfort you need That' way it's easy

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If only I drink, it will be oceans of Southern Comfort. Lucky that I am a water only type, being inebriated in the wee hours of 3 November would only remind me more of our heartland. As to what I do with those paychecks, I'll tell you later.

Back to the topic. You know, there are more reasons to thank Michael Moore who single-handedly carried Michigan for us.

* off to untwist another bottle of Poland Spring. *

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Back to the topic. You know, there are more reasons to thank Michael Moore who single-handedly carried Michigan for us.
Well yeah that gives hope, but the person I've been thinking of since yesterday is the Al Jazeera-journalist (can't remrmber his name but posture-wise he looked a bit like Michael Moore) I saw in the documentary Control Room. When the bombs on Iraq started falling and they as journalist were the ones to view reality: the civil casualties. He was the one keeping hope alife, the one who kept insisting that the American people were going to end this madness. What the hell can you say to someone like that now? There is no Michael Moore, no Don DeLillo no nothing that can bring some sence now.

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Depends on the art, I suppose. If it is something depressing or reminds you of what you are trying to forget, then of course it won't comfort you. On the other hand, if it distracts you in a pleasant way and gives you an opportunity to "escape," then it can be comforting.

Like you, I find it particularly useful right now.
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I do not like Much Michael Moore (his intelectual works, not his citzen work), he seems to me much like the extreme reverse of what he attacks. Usually those who build what they are in the denial of something have a lot of trouble to build something after his adversary is lost (or is just destroyed by the same adversary), but of course, it helps a lot because the non-politically correct attitude sometimes is needed. Actually a bit more would have change the results no doubt...

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Maybe but in a world where a majority of people isn't capable of seeing the difference between intelligence and nuance on one hand and weakness on the other it might be time for some Macchiavelic cynisism.

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Depends on the art, I suppose. If it is something depressing or reminds you of what you are trying to forget, then of course it won't comfort you.
i think art exceeds this. an intensely sad song for example can be spiritually uplifting, you know? i'm struggling to articulate this. let's just say that if you can experience a level of emotional connection with the work of art; you are oblivious to what the art is "about" or what it depicts.
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I do not think there was ever a momment that Macchiavelli was left behind. He just got more perfect with time.

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On the topic of art: sometimes "comforting" means more than just soothing over and forgetting.

It means that you are NOT alone and your course has NOT been lost.

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