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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old September 14th, 2015, 14:32 Thread Starter
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Liga BBVA | J3 | Atlético de Madrid vs FC Barcelona

So a few games in, what do people make of the team?

I feel Simeone isn't making good use of his squad options. The depth on paper is obviously excellent now, but Simeone is pretty much keeping the starting 11 the same as it was and his formation hasn't yet been adapted to better suit the personnel. Yet again, we saw the limitations of a Gabi/Tiago MF against Barca the other night, and Koke isn't performing well either in his wide midfield role.

I do think he should move to a 4-3-3, and introduce another attacker whether that be Vietto, Correa, Carrasco to play alongside the CF and Griezmann.

Koke, Tiago/Gabi, Saul, Oliver should in turn fight it out for the three MF positions. Thomas for depth.

What do others think; stick or change?
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post #2 of 10 (permalink) Old September 14th, 2015, 14:48
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Liga BBVA | J3 | Atlético de Madrid vs FC Barcelona

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It's easy to criticise Simeone and put the blame on Gabi as well as Tiago for the issues against Barcelona but the main problem is that the players who're supposed to perform in this type of game didn't do it either and it's not the first time, yet they're not coming under fire because they're "exciting". Koke was moved and played in three different positions through out the game as the team changed systems because various issues, yet he wasn't influental at all. Griezmann who's supposed to make the difference didn't get in between the lines to ask Barcelona's compact line between defence and midfield questions. He's also directly involved in both of Barcelona's goals where he picks up a naive foul (which results in a goal) and then loses the ball from where they can surprise our defensive line. Juanfran and Filipe Luís barely gave any sort of width and couldn't play their way out in reduced spaces when Barcelona put in their pressing. Giménez and Godín are sleeping on Barcelona's second goal. Óliver Torres had massive issues with defending Neymar, Jordi Alba and Iniesta in the first half. That's why he was moved to the left and Griezmann taken down to play as right-winger when Atleti didn't have the ball.

This team is already switching between 4-4-2 (various versions of that system) and 4-5-1 during games so it's not a matter of system, it's a matter of concrete things such as movement, intensity, aggressiveness and matching Barcelona in the combative play. Fact of the matter is that Barcelona were superior in terms of getting into and winning the 50-50-duels, winning the second and third balls but also keeping possession inside their own team right after those duels. The thing that prevailed later on was their individual superiority. All three of their attacking players were involved in the winning goal for an example and Messi in this type of form is more or less impossible to contain.

They were also much superior when it came to driving the ball towards Atlético's goal but that is often down to their individual ability in reduced space.

Jackson Martínez is a great player but he's not yet in optimal conditions physically (which Torres clearly is) because he didn't do anything for almost 20 days while on vacation while Vietto had the worst values in the team and has struggled with the physical side of things. Both are not yet adapted. We've played three competetive games. If you make more than 3-4 changes to a team from one game to another, there'll be even bigger structural issues.

Whether a player like Carrasco will be as influental when he's starting remains to be seen. Same with Correa who missed four great chances for Argentina against Mexico for an example. Everything has it's place and time. You can only achieve things by taking one step at a time.

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Oh and most important of all: when Atleti made a ton of changes from one game to another last year, the team ended up losing to Olympiacos in the opening group game of the Champions League. The structure is always more important than the individual.

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yes is true...what the **** is the purpose of koke? is not doing shit for a long time now and i dont like oliver torres..is too young. i will like to see this yannick guy more, at least is trying to do something when he get the ball and runs like a maniac.

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It's easy to criticise Simeone and put the blame on Gabi as well as Tiago for the issues against Barcelona but the main problem is that the players who're supposed to perform in this type of game didn't do it either and it's not the first time, yet they're not coming under fire because they're "exciting". Koke was moved and played in three different positions through out the game as the team changed systems because various issues, yet he wasn't influental at all. Griezmann who's supposed to make the difference didn't get in between the lines to ask Barcelona's compact line between defence and midfield questions. He's also directly involved in both of Barcelona's goals where he picks up a naive foul (which results in a goal) and then loses the ball from where they can surprise our defensive line. Juanfran and Filipe Luís barely gave any sort of width and couldn't play their way out in reduced spaces when Barcelona put in their pressing. Giménez and Godín are sleeping on Barcelona's second goal. Óliver Torres had massive issues with defending Neymar, Jordi Alba and Iniesta in the first half. That's why he was moved to the left and Griezmann taken down to play as right-winger when Atleti didn't have the ball.

This team is already switching between 4-4-2 (various versions of that system) and 4-5-1 during games so it's not a matter of system, it's a matter of concrete things such as movement, intensity, aggressiveness and matching Barcelona in the combative play. Fact of the matter is that Barcelona were superior in terms of getting into and winning the 50-50-duels, winning the second and third balls but also keeping possession inside their own team right after those duels. The thing that prevailed later on was their individual superiority. All three of their attacking players were involved in the winning goal for an example and Messi in this type of form is more or less impossible to contain.

They were also much superior when it came to driving the ball towards Atlético's goal but that is often down to their individual ability in reduced space.

Jackson Martínez is a great player but he's not yet in optimal conditions physically (which Torres clearly is) because he didn't do anything for almost 20 days while on vacation while Vietto had the worst values in the team and has struggled with the physical side of things. Both are not yet adapted. We've played three competetive games. If you make more than 3-4 changes to a team from one game to another, there'll be even bigger structural issues.

Whether a player like Carrasco will be as influental when he's starting remains to be seen. Same with Correa who missed four great chances for Argentina against Mexico for an example. Everything has it's place and time. You can only achieve things by taking one step at a time.
Do you still not think it would help to play people like Oliver and Koke centrally? Koke is a central midfielder, even Simeone said that a while back. Yet he's still being told to run up and down the wing. Give him an extended run in the centre and I'm sure you would see his form improve.
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The team has to work a lot better in terms of aggressivness, intensity, positioning and movement without the ball in order for Tiago and Gabi to be on top of their game. They were better than Koke with the ball against Barcelona for an example and Tiago even made the assist to Torres but that is not valued because people want change just because they think they're the culprits.

Koke will be used more frequently as a CM as time passes this season. I think it'll be in most cases when Atleti need to organize attacks against teams who're defending deep. The problem that I've got is that people think he should be playing there just because Tiago and Gabi are "old". It doesn't work that way. Also, if he's not playing there yet, then there's a reason for it. Simeone tried him a lot during the training sessions in Los Ángeles de San Rafael as a CM but it's obvious that there's something he either didn't like about Koke as a CM (yet anyways) or maybe he's waiting to see how Gabi-Tiago will handle the workload once the games are coming tighter.

Óliver hasn't even done his preparation work on the wing to even be considered as a CM. Maybe as a mediapunta but if Koke (who's a lot more complete) isn't playing as a CM, then why would Óliver? It's easy. Óliver still has a lot of work to do when it comes to his defensive game. It might work out the odd game but in the end it's about getting results.

Simeone wanted Thiago Motta for a reason. Same with Kranevitter right away but the club didn't manage to secure anyone of them.

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So Simeone went with three up top for the game yesterday. What do people here make of that?
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It was more of a 4-4-2 with Griezmann on the wing (he switched and played on both wings before the game was finished) where he was given freedom to roam around Jackson Martínez and Vietto. The big positive was Vietto's performance, Jackson on the other hand looks like he's lacking confidence.

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zoric can you stop please masturbating yourself and put the posts for the matches you lazy son of a bitch?

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