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Liga BBVA | J10 | Athletic Club vs. Atletico Madrid

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You just got thumped 3-0 by the Basques.

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Here's a video with some highlights, my dudes.


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post #3 of 18 (permalink) Old October 28th, 2011, 09:55
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Manzano Out!

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post #4 of 18 (permalink) Old October 28th, 2011, 10:43
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ATM simply imploded after "Llorente's" lucky goal. Second half up until the leading goal wasn't good though. The only positive was the first 45 minutes.

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guys,be real....we didnt score the goal away?im so worried....radamel is terrible in our system....
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guys,be real....we didnt score the goal away?im so worried....radamel is terrible in our system....
Falcao gets zero service, it's absolutely shocking. With Porto, he would get 5-6 quality balls, either on the ground or in the air, each game. I watch 90 minutes of an Atletico game and barely notice him out there.

What was the point of purchasing Diego if he can't and won't distribute the ball into dangerous places for Falcao?

Your wingers don't cross, either. The full-backs don't cross. Your midfielders pass side to side.

This is an absolute train wreck of a system to get anything out of a player like Falcao. Seriously need to question the 40m+7m spent on him if the team don't even know how to use him.

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Changing your system of play and creating an identity is not an easy thing to do. That requires time and if the board are serious about this project, then they have to give Manzano the time in order to make his team play like he wants. Atlético have 11 new players coming into the team this season, it's obvious that they still don't know each other well and the rotation system haven't helped even though you have to rotate from time to time because otherwise the players will have fatigue issues like they did previously under many other coaches. I like the general idea of rotating the team as much as possible but Manzano's done it a bit too frequently, it probably would've panned out better if the players knew each other and their intentions on the pitch better, meaning if they had played together for a longer period of time.

I questioned the strategy on the market when Falcao became Agüero's replacement. Atlético went from Agüero's profile (someone who's got an incredible amount of individual ability and still plenty of goal threat) to sign a pure #9 who doesn't participate much and when he does, then he often falls too deep and has to play with his back to goal. That has been the biggest problem for him with the Colombian NT and that's why he's not a undisputed starter there.

As for Atlético's players not crossing; I don't know what you've been watching, Joshua, but Atlético's players have been crossing the ball into the penalty area, especially the fullbacks, the system depends on the fullbacks being able to go forward and give support. The problem isn't that they're not crossing the ball, the problem is that the crosses often come too late and the reason for that is connected to the players not being able to get into the penalty area fast enough. That, meanwhile, has everything to do with the build-up play which is often too slow. Diego, Arda, Reyes, Gabi and even players like Tiago take way too many touches on the ball (which takes away the efficiency when the team is counter attacking their opponent), sometimes because the players who're supposed to get it further up the pitch aren't there, sometimes because they've become accustomed to it. This last part is exactly why I requested a deep lying midfielder who'd take care of things that Diego is doing right now; protect the ball, distribute it to the creative players (eg. Diego) further up the pitch and dictate tempo with his passing ability as well as off the ball movement. Diego is doing this currently but the main problem is that he picks up the ball way too low down the pitch. That's why there's a delay in the "llegada" from the other players because they also have to participate in order to help him get the ball out further up the pitch and then wait for him to distribute the final ball. That often means Atlético's opponent is a step ahead and it's much easier to re-group and defend as a team by holding your positions.

This team is also missing penetration in the final third, something Falcao doesn't give us because he very rarely beats his opponent, at least 90% of the time he doesn't. This for an example is why Reyes is struggling to get used to the new system, he's completely used to play a one-two with an opponent or have several choices when he gets into tight areas which means he can play it in time. Now though, he's not being given many options besides the fullback which yet again is proof that the club made a misstake in letting Elías go. He brought that type of presence into the team with his off the ball movement, "llegada". Falcao meanwhile, has to step up his game, it's not just a case of "him not getting the chances", he's actually not bringing much to the game by losing the ball during the majority of time when the team have managed to get further up the pitch. Shield yourself better, keep the ball and make better runs in the final third, but then again, it's a team game, so there has to be more options than solely your centre forward who'll make the correct runs; more passing options = more chances being created.

Another thing that has to change is the amount of missed chances. We still haven't scored a single goal away from home as well. The finishing have been a catastrophy so far. One player can't finish off all chances, even though Falcao surely should've put away a couple against Sevilla.

This is far from a finished team and we've got what we've got.

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The striker's job is not to beat players on his own and create out of nothing. You've been spoiled with Kun Aguero, who's skill set is unique for the position he plays.

I refute your claims about Falcao. Falcao is isolated between 3-4 defenders at all times, with no support. He's a brilliant player who banged home goals for fun in a proper system.

It is the disjointed style your team is playing that is impacting him. Either that, or your club had absolutely no idea what they were spending 40+m Euro on.

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The striker's job is not to beat players on his own and create out of nothing. You've been spoiled with Kun Aguero, who's skill set is unique for the position he plays.
Is this what the coaches teach in Canada? A striker shouldn't need to beat his opponents? Solely rely on the service he gets? Absolute bullshit and you, of all people, should know that's neccessary for a team to actually function when the foundation isn't working. We haven't got this right now because Falcao is a much inferior player individually than Agüero, the two can't even be compared in this aspect of their game. However, don't you think I'm putting all the blame on Falcao, no, we're not using our only midfield organizer in the squad; Koke. That's Manzano's error and the lack of this type of player results in the team being dragged back which ultimately gives Falcao problems to adjust as he's playing with his back to goal.

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I refute your claims about Falcao. Falcao is isolated between 3-4 defenders at all times, with no support. He's a brilliant player who banged home goals for fun in a proper system.
The system takes time to change, it's not something that is built over a short time span, you should know it. Atlético used to play two short passes to Agüero-Forlán-Reyes-Simão-Maxi and they'd usually solve everything going forward, those things have changed now. The team is attempting a possession game which at times looks good but still has a lot of polishing to do because everyone doesn't know each other well, many of them have to adjust to the new system as well as demands.

You're also wrong about Falcao, the system btw, is the same as Porto use; a 4-3-3. However, Atlético haven't got the same midfield players as Porto has got, especially not the same level on the organizers plus there's been loads of rotations which haven't helped the learning process for some players, especially Reyes. Lately, they've even test a 4-2-3-1 as well as a 4-3-2-1.

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It is the disjointed style your team is playing that is impacting him. Either that, or your club had absolutely no idea what they were spending 40+m Euro on.
Which one is it, decide already. When you've lost one of the best strikers and all round players out there, it isn't strange that you'll struggle, especially if you haven't gone for his profile but a pure #9. This team needs more directness in several segments of play, especially in terms of counter attacking as well as beating a side who parks the bus.

Falcao btw, will only cost €40 million and possibly, €250,000 if Atlético end up winning Europa League (or Copa del Rey), the other money is solely if they end up winning Primera División (LOL) or Champions League (even bigger LOL).

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Oh, if its only 40m...what a steal!

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Well, you keep mentioning the €7 million as if you're going to get them, you're not, unless you're not going to convince like 15 clubs not to participate LOL

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The 5m for Ruben Micael was already more than generous, but there's a problem...

Your club still haven't made the first payment for Falcao.

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athletic got so ****ing lucky with the bullshit first goal they score, atleti played good in the first half but then ****ing manzano takes off reyes when diego and turan are sucking balls and after this happens we started to play like shit..also godin and assuncao should not play again oh my god how horrible they are.

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Re: Gloryhunting...

I reckon it's an even bet as to which will come quicker:
#1 Levante's first loss
#2 Manzano's sacking

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Telemadrid cameras seemed to have caught José Antonio Reyes, who was replaced by Eduardo Salvio in the 58th minute of Thursday’s clash, saying, as he walked off the pitch, “He can sub out his whore of a mother.”
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