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Kiddy bangers to launch political party?

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Pedophiles to launch political party

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Dutch pedophiles are launching a political party to push for a cut in the legal age for sexual relations to 12 from 16 and the legalization of child pornography and sex with animals, sparking widespread outrage.

The Charity, Freedom and Diversity (NVD) party said on its Web site it would be officially registered Wednesday, proclaiming: "We are going to shake The Hague awake!"

The party said it wanted to cut the legal age for sexual relations to 12 and eventually scrap the limit altogether.

"A ban just makes children curious," Ad van den Berg, one of the party's founders, told the Algemeen Dagblad (AD) newspaper.

"We want to make pedophilia the subject of discussion," he said, adding the subject had been a taboo since the 1996 Marc Dutroux child abuse scandal in neighboring Belgium.

"We want to get into parliament so we have a voice. Other politicians only talk about us in a negative sense, as if we were criminals," Van den Berg told Reuters.

The Netherlands, which already has liberal policies on soft drugs, prostitution and gay marriage, was shocked by the plan.

An opinion poll published Tuesday showed that 82 percent wanted the government to do something to stop the new party, while 67 percent said promoting pedophilia should be illegal.

"They make out as if they want more rights for children. But their position that children should be allowed sexual contact from age 12 is of course just in their own interest," anti-pedophile campaigner Ireen van Engelen told the AD daily.

Right-wing lawmaker Geert Wilders said he had asked the government to investigate whether a party with such "sick ideas" could really be established, ANP news agency reported.

Kees van deer Staaij, a member of the Christian SGP party, also demanded action: "Pedophilia and child pornography should be taboo in every constitutional state. Breaking that will just create more victims and more serious ones."

The party wants private possession of child pornography to be allowed although it supports the ban on the trade of such materials. It also supports allowing pornography to be broadcast on daytime television, with only violent pornography limited to the late evening.

Toddlers should be given sex education and youths aged 16 and up should be allowed to appear in pornographic films and prostitute themselves. Sex with animals should be allowed although abuse of animals should remain illegal, the NVD said.

The party also said everybody should be allowed to go naked in public and promotes legalizing all soft and hard drugs and free train travel for all.
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That's just a sad excuse. Those degenerate ****s aren't interested in helping the children by reducing the age of consent -- children younger than 16 do experiment, but the police isn't going to care 13 and 14 year-olds messing around with each other -- they're only interested in helping themselves to the children. ...and to animals, on top of that.

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To play devil's advocate for a second, even though I much agree with Andrix, shouldn't this and other extremist parties be allowed in the name of freedom of speech? After all, there is no chance of them gaining enough support to implement their perverted changes; in fact, I would say that the more they are allowed to spout their drivel, the greater the opposition to them would be.
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whats wrong with 12 people? 12 sounds about right, I say if it walks....
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Sounds like a publicity stunt more than anything else. It can't be serious.

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Why are the Dutch always doing strange sex things?

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What's cool with having sex with 12 years old kids?

What sort of society is that where people even think about such ideas?
They show pretty much they don't care for values and standards. Those guys belong in psyhiatric hospitals.
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Because of an overemphasis on tolerance.

The organisation behind this political party, is a pedophile rights group called Martijn, which has existed for years. Whenever there's a protest against them (as recent as last saturday) a counter-protest will form to accuse the anti-pedophiles, of being "disgustingly intolerant". Even the mainstream media usually follows that line, by having 'experts' claim that pedophilia is no different from other sexual orientations, that society shouldn't cast them out, that we should engage in dialogue, etc.

Which is why I'm quite surprised to see such widespread outrage about it now. The country's largest newspaper has an article about this on their site, that readers can reply to, and it has so far received 1700+ furious reations, suggesting various forms of violent punishment for these people.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/4...partij_op.html

However, that Van den Berg guy is right when he says that the public attitude towards pedophilia has changed since Dutroux in the mid 90's. Only he thinks that it's for the worse, while any person in his right mind would know that it's for the better. I remember that before that time, pedophilia wasn't an issue at all here. People would casually joke about it, in the workplace even. But with Dutroux it became clear how terrible the practice was in reality, and which other horrible things it could lead to. That drove home the point that pedophilia is nothing to joke about and that children should be protected as best as possible from such acts and the predators that engage in them.

For the likes of Van den Berg, that's a bad thing. But for society's children it's what will ensure them a normal childhood, without having to suffer the indignities of being sexually abused by some 50 year old sick, twisted, perverted, piece of human garbage.

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by having 'experts' claim that pedophilia is no different from other sexual orientations, that society shouldn't cast them out, that we should engage in dialogue, etc.
It isn't different, but that hardly is the point. The point is obviously that another person is affected here. No use in banning them, I can't believe Holland have enough pedophiles to make them more than the stupid little gathering of fools that they are. their claim about abolishing the age limit altogether could be said to be especially sick. Should not be surprising though since pedophiles are supposedly attracted too prepubcents. What surprise me though is that they say this publiscy over there and actually WANT it. Just second hand knowledge, but I heard from a pshycologist that almost all pedophiles KNOW that it is wrong.

Must say they make me consider the alternative posted by Purger.
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'experts' claim that pedophilia is no different from other sexual orientations, that society shouldn't cast them out, that we should engage in dialogue, etc.
There is not much dialogue in which to engage regarding pedophilia. The discussion boils down to this: the chair or the gallows?

...and it is obviously not true that it is no different from other sexual orientations. Being sexually oriented to consensual relationships with other adults is one thing and does not hurt anyone.

However, being sexually oriented towards raping adults, animals, or children is quite another thing, and being against such orientation is one intolerance that is absolutely necessary.
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Disgusting indeed.

Those things always remind me of the NAMBLA-episode of South Park.
It's copied&pasted, I don't know it by heart, I am not that weird...

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Kyle: Dude. You have sex with children.

NAMBLA leader: We are human. Most of us didn't even choose to be attracted to young boys. We were born that way. We can't help the way we are, and if you all can't understand that, well, then, I guess you'll just have to put us away.

Kyle [slowly, for emphasis]: Dude. You have sex with children.

Stan: Yeah. You know, we believe in equality for everybody, and tolerance, and all that gay stuff, but dude, **** you.

Kyle: Seriously.
Says it all really.
Personal freedom and tolerance stops at the point where you have sex with children, as simple as that.

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What sort of society is that where people even think about such ideas?
A very normal one. Pedophilia has been with us forever. Other societies accepted it (and some still do), others don't.

People thinking about it is something expectable and it has very little to do with how society is.

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They show pretty much they don't care for values and standards. Those guys belong in psyhiatric hospitals.
Not caring about moral values such as sex with minors is illegal, but it is not a mental disorder. Therefore, pedophiles (and I refer to people who actually engage in sex with minors) do not belong in psychiatric hospitals but in jail.

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by having 'experts' claim that pedophilia is no different from other sexual orientations
It is not. It is certainly more illegal than other sexual "deviations" but it is not different.

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However, being sexually oriented towards raping adults, animals, or children is quite another thing, and being against such orientation is one intolerance that is absolutely necessary.
None is being sexually oriented towards "raping". Your not thinking here, they have a "different" sexual attraction that don't have to mean they will rape anyone.

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A very normal one. Pedophilia has been with us forever. Other societies accepted it (and some still do), others don't.
Not really if we go by the true meaning of pedophilia which is being attracted to prepubcents. Thats not really been accepted anywhere, but if we talk about the way we use the word now then of course it is.

Scary enough, in some countries we still have a legal age of 12. Only I remember is Mexico (although that may have changed).
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Not really if we go by the true meaning of pedophilia which is being attracted to prepubcents. Thats not really been accepted anywhere, but if we talk about the way we use the word now then of course it is.
I refer to the legal term of under 16. Or whatever each society sets its limits on as, being a matter of social policy , it varies.

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...and it is obviously not true that it is no different from other sexual orientations. Being sexually oriented to consensual relationships with other adults is one thing and does not hurt anyone.
Let's not confuse the terms here. Pedophilia is not an orientation, it is a sexual taste. Heterosexuality or homosexuality are orientations. Which is why there are both gay and straight pedophiles.

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However, being sexually oriented towards raping adults, animals, or children is quite another thing, and being against such orientation is one intolerance that is absolutely necessary.
That's a tricky issue here. Legally, having sex with a minor is de facto rape even if it is consensual since a minor is not deemed fit to make such a decision. But this doesn't make pedophiles bona-fide rapists. Some pedophiles might not have sex with a child unless the child agrees to it (and there are plenty of 14 or 15 year old children who would actually agree to it)... although of course, one of the "highs" of pedophilia is the control and domination... much like in adult sex sometimes... as I said, it is a tricky issue... but let's not put everything in one basket and call it the same because that's a very simplistic logic - as tempting as it might be.

And of course there must be intolerance about it. I wouldn't even call it intolerance. Modern society does not accept pedophilia for a good reason and that should be the end of it. It is illegal and that's how it should be in my opinion.

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Oh djees what a waste of time. This "party" will need an x-amount of signatures of people giving them the right to show on election-day. There is no way they will get that public support. Therefore this is nothing but another example of how massmedia jump on a non-item just because it has sex in it and therefore will generate an interest with that retarded group that is 'the public'.

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