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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old May 18th, 2006, 15:29 Thread Starter
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THE HAGUE, Netherlands - A Somali-born lawmaker and fierce critic of radical Islam tearfully announced Tuesday that she is leaving the Netherlands, reportedly for the U.S., after the government threatened to revoke her citizenship for lying on her asylum application.

The threat to strip Ayaan Hirsi Ali of Dutch citizenship unleashed a fierce debate in parliament at a time of heightened anti-immigrant sentiment in the country.

Hirsi Ali, 36, has been under police guard since a short film she wrote criticizing the treatment of women under Islam provoked the murder of its director, Theo van Gogh, by an Islamic radical.

She said she decided Monday night to resign from parliament after Immigration Minister Rita Verdonk told her "she would strip me of my Dutch citizenship."

"I am therefore preparing to leave Holland," Hirsi Ali told reporters in The Hague, her voice choking with emotion.

She declined to say what she will do next, or to comment on Dutch media reports that she will join the American Enterprise Institute in the United States. A spokesman for the institute, Andrew Pappas, said Hirsi Ali was offered a position as a resident fellow at the conservative think tank but said he could not confirm that she had accepted. The U.S. Embassy in The Hague declined comment.

She declined to revoke Hirsi Ali's citizenship appeared driven by domestic Dutch politics — and drew criticism from Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende, who said he was "surprised by the speed" with which Verdonk acted and asked her for an explanation.

He said Verdonk bore "individual responsibility" for decisions in immigration cases.

Hirsi Ali falsified her name and date of birth on an asylum application when she arrived in 1992, fearing reprisals from her family after she fled an arranged marriage.

She was granted a passport in 1997 and acknowledged the falsification in 2002 during vetting as a candidate for parliament. There were no objections then.

But after a television program revived the matter last week, one of Hirsi Ali's political opponents, far-right lawmaker Hilbrand Nawijn, brought pressure on Verdonk to revoke her citizenship.

Verdonk reviewed the case and found naturalization had been improperly granted: a ruling by the Dutch Supreme Court in 2005 found that passports issued to people with false names are automatically invalid.

Hirsi Ali became internationally known after the murder of van Gogh in November 2004. She wrote the script for his 11-minute film "Submission," which offended many Muslims. She said Tuesday she would continue to voice criticism of fundamentalist Islam and that she plans a sequel to "Submission."

"I am leaving. However, the questions remain," she said. "The questions about the future of Islam in our country, the subjugation of women in Islamic culture, the integration of the many Muslims in the West. It is a self-deceit to imagine that these issues will disappear."

Van Gogh's murderer left a note threatening Hirsi Ali, and she has been under police protection ever since. The Dutch state had been scrambling to arrange housing for her after her neighbors in The Hague complained successfully last month that her security arrangements had become an unbearable nuisance.

"It is difficult to live with so many threats on your life and such a level of police protection," Hirsi Ali said. "It is difficult to work as a parliamentarian if you have no where to live. All that is difficult but not impossible. It has become impossible since last night."

Parliament held an emergency debate over Hirsi Ali's resignation, and Verdonk said she did not regret her decision.

"I understand my colleagues' emotions, but we're living in a country that prides itself on respecting the law. Rules and laws apply to everyone, and I'm not making any exceptions," she told lawmakers. But she said the case was still under review, and Hirsi Ali had six weeks to respond.

Domestic politics appeared to have played a role in Verdonk's decision. She is standing for head of the conservative Liberal Party — of which Hirsi Ali is also a member. The two say they are friends.

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post #2 of 17 (permalink) Old May 18th, 2006, 15:44
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The same thing happens with countless people in this country and the same procedure is received by them. I agree with the decision to withdraw her naturalization, however the thing i hate in this country is that the gouverment only acts in this way when something like this is "hot" in the media. :thmbdown:

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It's called karma.

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No biggie...she can come to the US as an illegal, have citizenship within months, and write another movie/book on the lack of Arab masculinity, make millions and live happily ever after.

Forca Hirsi...

I bet she's a piece ass to...anyone got pics?

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A populist(Verdonk, in the sense why she is doing this to Ali) outing another populist and the biggiest attention-whore there is, in Hirsi Ali, is hilarious(Anyone read her stuff would know she is doing it for purely the attention, talking about subjects she has little insight in just to be controversial).

But the faking of papers to get asylum in a country for a refugee is nothing new, its a drastic and desperate mesures many take, for safety and for a better life.

Maybe its a huge deal because this sad individual is a high ranking politician(though they have known about this for 4 years, why do something now?), but normally isn't, if the Immigrations finds out and maybe finds a valid reason for you faking it etc.

It just smells like a populistic decision, too good of an oppurtunity to score some points.

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In my opinion, this matter can't be viewed properly without taking into consideration Verdonk's attempts to become head of her party (VVD), her recent extradition of Taida Pasic (a student who lied to get Dutch citizenship) and a TV program which revealed that, parliamentary member, Hirsi Ali also lied to get her citizenship. In Hirsi Ali's case it was already known for years, however.

My take on it is this: Verdonk's campaign to become party leader wasn't going very well. She had been on the receiving end of harsh criticism for revoking Pasic's citizenship status, among other things. And with the news about Hirsi Ali's lies coming out, I guess that she felt that she needed to be one step ahead of her critics and quickly revoke Hirsi Ali's status as well.

Which resulted in the situation as it exists now.

It certainly hasn't done Verdonk any favours, as she's become an even greater outcast than she was before, and her campaign to become party leader also seems to have gone down the drain because of it. Not to mention the international criticism that the Netherlands have received because of the matter.

But for Hirsi Ali it's better I think. She had no life here in Holland. Living under 24h guard, because of death threats and generally getting little sympathy. The common opinion being that she had herself to blame for that.

Because of that, she would have left the country anyway. The institute that she'll be working for now, had already agreed to employ her starting May 2007, but because of this affair, Hirsi Ali decided to speed things up.

Latest news is that Verdonk will review the matter again, and it is expected that Hirsi Ali's citizenship will be reinstated.

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In other words, the Dutch don't really know what they're doing.

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where is she going in the US. who is the new employer?

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Oh yeah...no wonder the fundie islamics hate her. She knows they can't handle her, just by that smile.

Send her here.

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She looks like Denzel Washington.

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Hehe so I was right in assuming that Verdonk did it for populistic reasons(wow a politician would do that? GET outa here!), its just that it backfired on her.

And regarding Hirsi Ali, despite the fact that its unfortunate that some psychos threatend her life(not worth it p), she still has herself to blame that she stirred so much trouble for because of attention and for money, she deserves was she gets(and alienated and closed up life, and getting booted out of the country, even if for the wrong reasons).

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Nevermind. Failed to completely read my own post. :rollani:

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It was hilarious. Everybody already knew that Verdonck is a dispicable excuse of a human being, but now she also proved that she is completely incompetent when it comes to politics. She has manoeuvred herself into an impossible position.

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