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Unconquered Montenegro

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The text below about Montenegro is only the excerpt from reportage "Where East Meets West; A Visit to Picturesque Dalmatia, Montenegro and Herzegovina" by Marian Cruger Coffin, from May 1908 edition of National Geographic Magazine.

AN UNCONQUERED RACE

A land of mountains, apparently without valleys, and almost destitute of vegetation. Montenegro seems to have emerged out of a chaos of the goods to be primeval rib of the world. And, in keeping with the country, is the proud and independent character of this race, who have retreated step by step before the Turk from the fat lands they once held, preferring freedom in their rocky fastnesses to soft living under the yoke of Islam. And it must be remembered to their everlasting credit that they not only remained free when the other Slav peoples as well as the Greeks, Albanian, and Bulgar fell before the power of the Turk, but that they maintained their independence when all Europe, to the gates of Vienna, trembled before the hosts of the Crescent.

Disembarking at Cattaro (lying baking in the August sun) after a wonderful sail through the tortuous Bocche di Cattaro or "mouths of Cattaro", we took the waiting carriage and started on the climb up the mountain wall to Montenegro or the "Black Mountain". Cattaro is the natural port for Montenegro, but is jealously guarded by Austria, and it was not until we had ascended for more than an hour that we came to the striped black and yellow post that marks the boundary. Our driver stopped to water the horses, to collect his revolver (left at a wayside hut, as it is forbidden to carry weapons over the border), and pointed to his native crags above, saying proudly, "Crnagora". We turned for a last look at the super view spread out below us, the sea shimmering in the distance, and at our feet the land-locked Bocche guarded by the mighty Orjen and the peaks of Herzegovina to the north and west.

We reached Njegus by the waning light. This our first Montenegrin town was the birthplace of the prince, and is a village with one wide street and small, low stone houses. Wherever there is sufficient space little patches of vegetables are cultivated in a series of stone terraces, built to keep the precious soil from being swept away by the heavy rains. These little garden plats give a curiously checker-board aspect to the valleys and hillsides in contrast to the wastes of rocks above.

From Njegus we climbed steadily up through the same dreary crags, even more solitary and impressive in the moonlight, and reached the top of the pass (3.500 feet), from which Cettinje can be seen in the daylight. Scarce a trace of habitation was to be seen. We stopped to water the horses at a wayside hut, wild young girls shyly waited on us, than passed a solitary dwelling and heard to the minor wail of the one-stringed gusle (the national musical instrument) and a strong bass voice singing one of the old ballads, probably about the Tzar Lazar and the field of Kosovo, or possibly of doings of the singer's own immediate forefathers in a border fray against the hated Albanians.

THE CAPITAL OF MONTENEGRO

The Europe we know is left far behind. We drop suddenly from the complexities of modern life into the peace and simplicity of the patriarchal system, still in force in this strange little state where east and west meet so subtly. Here a man's life is of small account, but he will hold his honor above all earthly price, while the ambition of every boy is to be a warrior and rival the deed of the heroes of old.

Twenty years ago Cettinje was a collection of hovels. Now it is a clean, neat little town with wide streets and low stone houses roofed with red tile. There are no attempts at architectural decoration - all is plain and bare and seems to have sprung from the very soil of the mountain-locked plain. It has been called a kindergarten capital, and though but a village in size, conducts itself with the importance befitting the center of the country. It boasts a theater and the Prince's very modest palace, while the large, pretentious embassies of Austria and Russia guard opposite ends of the town like two great bloodhounds waiting to pounce on their prey.

Sights, in the strict sense of the word, there are none, but one may entertain oneself by bargaining in the market with the handsome girls for colored strips of embroidery with which they trim their blouses, chatting with the some one who has a word or two of German or Italian, admiring the medals of the older men gained in the last war with the Turks (proudly shown off by the younger men, the wearers modestly deprecating their own glory), taking a friendly cup of coffee with the tailor who is making one a national costume, or waiting for a glimpse of some member of the royal family to pass by, possibly the Prince himself.

But the amusement of all other that never palled on us was watching this handsome race airing their finery in the open streets of Cettinje. The national costume seems designed to show of the grace and dignity inherent in even the humblest Montenegrin-crimson and gold sparkle in the sunshine, in dazzling contrast to the somber tints of the encircling mountains, real gold, too, which is elaborately worked in the garment by hand. From the royal family down, the men wear a long, wide-skirted coat of light grey, white, robin's egg blue, or dark green cloth, embroidered in gold, or dark red, open wide in front over a crimson waistcoat heavily decorated in gold, and confined about the waist by a broad sash of plaid silk. The belt is stuck full of weapons, knives, pistols, etc., for our friend considers his toilette incomplete without such accessories, and indeed one's eyes become so accustomed to seeing every man a walking arsenal that on returning to work-a-day Europe people look strangely undressed! Dark blue breeches, baggy to the knee, with the leg either incased in white homespun and low string shoes on the feet, this is thoroughly characteristic, or if the wearer be a bit of a dandy a pair of high black riding boots will be worn instead: a cane for dress occasions and the cocky stiff-brimmed cap complete the costume.

A tale hangs by the cap. The Montenegrins are a conservative people and, like all the Serbs of the Balkans, look back to the days of the great Serbian Empire when the Slavs held most of the Peninsula. The highest point of glory was reached under Stephen Dushan, 1337-1356, who planned to keep the Turk out of Europe, but who unfortunately died at the height of his career. In 1389 the different Slav peoples made their last united stand under Tzar Lazar Gubijanovich on the plain of Kosovo. The day was at first with Tzar Lazar, but, as usual in the Peninsula, jealousies prevented a concerted action and he was betrayed by his son in law, Vuk Brankovich, who coveted the crown. He deserted to the enemy with 12.000 followers, a frightful slaughter ensued, and the Balkans fell to the invader. This fateful 15th of June is a day of mourning throughout Serb lands and the Montenegrin cap is worn in commemoration - the black is for mourning, and the red-centered crown for the blood shed on the field of Kosovo. A semicircle of gilt braid encloses the Prince's initials H.I., the circle typifying the rainbow of hope that the Turk will be driven from Europe and the great Serbian Empire again established.

A PROUD AND HANDSOME RACE

The dress of the women is not so gaudy as that of the men, though very graceful. Like their brothers, they wear the national cap without the gold braid, the married women being distinguished by a black lace veil falling behind. The hair is parted and the mass of heavy braids forms a coronet for the well-carried heads. They wear a soft, silky blouse with open sleeves and trimmed with strips of delicate embroidery, a band of which forms the low collar, then red or black velveteen bolero heavily braided in gold, and over all a semi-fitting, open, sleeveless coat reaching to the knees of the same delicate shades as worn by the men.

It would be hard to find a handsomer race; the men seldom under six feet, strut about like war lords. Their only business in the life for generations has been to protect their families from Turkish raids when not engaged in actual warfare. Consequently most of the hard works has fallen to the women's share, which they cheerfully perform, often carrying heavy loads, such as great blocks of ice, from the higher mountains down to the towns. Such labor and the hard conditions of life age them early, but when young the girls are really beautiful, with noble, Madonna-like faces; the type is rather mixed in coloring, neither light nor dark. We saw many fine gray eyes and especially noticed a lovely shade of ruddy gold hair.

Travelling in Montenegro is delightfully simple; there are no trains and only one carriage road in and out of Cettinje: you either go by carriage or you take a pack pony and scramble over the mountain tracks. It is said that Prince Nickola wishes to make Niksic his capital, as being more in the center of the principality; the one road from Cetinje connects with it via Podgorica, but it is doubtful if the scheme will be carried through, as Cetinje is considered by the representatives of the Powers to be the "jumping-off place" and certainly Niksic would be much less accessible.
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some infor. for albanians from montenegro - malesoret.




Malcia (pronounced Maltzia) as her inhabitants call it, is made up of five smaller regions, Hoti, Gruda, Kelmendi, Kastrati, Shkreli. The origins of Malcia people are dubious, but most of the scholars believe the five tribes migrated from the Croatian region, probably a congregation of Illyrian tribes pushed south by Slavs. Unlike other Albanian regions, the people of Malcia expanded their territory by occupying unused lands in other regions. There are groups of Malcia villages by the Mati River, Shen Gjini Beach, Velipoja Beach, around Lezha City and most of Northern and Eastern Part of Shkodra Suburbs. However, the largest expansion of Malcia tribes is in the Rugova. The region of Rugova, which is mostly descendent of Kelmendi has developed its own heritage and some people do not even know the affinity between the two regions.

In 1913 when the European Powers established the borders of Balkan region, split Malcia in two parts. Gruda, Rugova, Vuthai, Part of Hoti and many villages around Shkodra Lake and Adriatic Sea that were descendants of Malcia were given to Montenegro, the rest of Malcia remained within the Albanian border.

Malcia has, arguably, the richest heritage amongst the Albanian regions. Probably the most distinguishable feature of Malcia people is their tendency to develop a micro-culture that resembles the heritage of a whole nation.

They adapted the Canon of Lek Dukagjini into the Canon of Mountains. The Canon worked in a way similar to a constitution. If two parties could not resolve a conflict, then they had to pay for the Elders to act as interpreters of the Canon of Mountains. The Elders has nothing to do with age, neither is it a title one inherits. Instead, the Elders were intelligent people who knew how to interpret the Canon and got paid for it.

The great imagination of Malcia people has created what is known as the Albanian Epic, in addition to legends, and monster tales. The main heroes of the songs accompanied by a one-string lute are called Gjeto Basho Muji, Sokol Halili, Gjergj Elez Alia, Zuku Bajraktar, Aikuna, Omeri, etc. The events in the Epic involve Albanians, Slavs and Hungarians. There is no mention of the Ottoman rulers who were present in Balcans for five centuries. The songs are so well crafted that hold their own against the "Lute of Malcia", Albania's most irreplaceable book written by Gjergj Fishta, a Franciscan priest, whom some believe to be Albania's National Poet. The songs intended for enjoyment as well as for the education of the children are filled with themes and symbols of the Albanian Canon and heritage, but there is no preaching anywhere in the songs. The characters are well rounded and the stories are seen from multiple perspectives. One distinct feature of these songs is that the main hero almost always starts as the underdog, but ends up winning because he/she is either on the right or in love. The Main City of the imaginary region where the Mythical Heroes live is called Jutbina (pronounced Yutbinah). The region itself is called Lugjet e Verdha (the Yellow Vallies).

The region has attracted the attention of anthropologists, artists, writers and scholars more than any other region in Albania. The "Lute of Malcia" is as irreplaceable for the Albanian Culture as "Iliad" is for the ancient Greek Epics. It took father Fishta 35 years to write the book. Anton Harapi, Albania's most distinguished Christian philosopher dedicated his masterpiece "Andrra e Pretashit" (Pretash's Dream) to the people of Malcia. Foreigners from Edith Durham in 19th century to today's scholars have studied the region, written books and made movies about the region. The oldest book of modern Albania was written by a Malcia Priest five and a half centuries ago. He, John Buzuku, was a catholic priest, who in the tradition of Martin Luther had decided to bring Protestantism to Albania. The only copy of the book that survives has a few pages missing. Needless to say, soon after the book Albania was taken over by the Ottoman empire, converted to Islam and the Protestant Initiative of Buzuku was forgotten.

Malcia is a place of Heroes. The men of Malcia are called "Leket of Malcia" which means seasoned, tough, wise men. They never paid any taxes or gave any solders to the Ottoman Empire and yet were, probably, the richest region in the whole Albania with their lands stretching from Adriatic Sea to the Albanian Alps. But what is even more interesting, Malcia is the place of Her-oines too. Nora of Kelmendi, the Albanian Helen, was said to have been so beautiful that the chief representative of the Ottoman Empire in Albania, a Bosnian man, said, "I'll either marry her or I'll burn all Malcia". A great confrontation happened as a result of his attraction. To make a time-less story short, Nora, against her own people's will dressed like a bride and went to the Pasha who had surrounded Malcia with his army. The Pasha is said to have fainted at Nora's sight because she is believed to have been as beautiful as a true fairy. What Pasha did not know, however, was that Nora was part of a bigger plan. She stabbed the Pasha, set is place in fire and without giving his army enough time to figure out what was going on, she escaped. Malcia attacked and the ottoman army was destroyed. The Pasha, however, put together a few men and chased Nora up in the Albanian Alps. There it is said that they had a duel where Nora chopped his head off. Pasha did not know that Nora was the only daughter of one of Malcia's most distinguishable noble warriors and was trained as a warrior herself.

Tringa Smaili, a girl from Gruda, according to "Lute of Malcia" was caring for her wounded brother when Montenegrins attacked the small village. She fought and defended her brother till she was herself wounded. At the very moment when she was about to die, the Leket of Malcia saved her, of course; great her-oes or heroes never die in Malcia Tales.

Another, more ordinary story, is the story of Drane of Kelmendi. A thug (cub) from Mirdita region, who according to the song had already killed 21 men, raped her while she was near her villa owned by her family near Mati River. She went home and told her family what had happened to her. According to the Albanian Canon, her husband was supposed to kill the rapist. Her father-in-law, however, had a different idea in mind. He took Drane up at the Alps, trained her how to shoot and then they came together down at Lezha City. Drane then was let on her own to find and kill Gjin, the rapist. She found him at a local bar, killed him using a pistol and ran away.

Ded Gjo Luli was the leader of Malcia in their war against Slavs and Turks at the break of 20th century. The book "Lute of Malcia" is dedicated to those men and women who raised Albania's National conscience after 500 years of oppression. They showed that it was possible for Albania to exist without the Ottoman empire, as an independent state. It was their war that made the news in the western world and raised the conscience of Euorpe too in regard to the Albanian nation.

After the communists took hold of Eastern Europe, Albania fell under the Russian influence (from Turks to Russians). Malcia, as they were relatively rich and relatively patriotic were declared "Enemies of the People" by the proletarian, internationalist, Stalinist government. They dared however to raise in the first Eastern European uprising against the communists. The uprising was crushed. The leaders either escaped to Montenegro, died in Jail or were executed. Prek Cali, the most distinguishable leader along with Llesh Marashi are today held as heroes that dared to fight the Albanian puppies of the big Russian Dogs.

There are still traces of ancient Illyrian Religion in Malcia.

The SUN being the most important Deity is worshiped and feared by the Malcia people. To this day they swear on the sun -- Pasha njate rreze diellit -- I swear on that ray of sunshine.

ORA is the god of bravery and wisdom. Ora does not exist as a deity similar to Christ, but as some being beyond human senses. His presence, however, is felt in a way that is similar to the existence itself. Ora helps one in all endeavors. He does not protect you, instead he encourages you to protect yourself. If you are a loser, than it is said that Your Ora is Dead. Ora can be seen in a striking resemblance to Martin Heidegger's Dasein (Being). Everyone has a Ora (a Being), but every entity too has a Being (Ora). For example Kelmedi has her ora, so does Malcia, so does Albania, so does Europe, so does Julia and Jim. The best blessing is to say to someone "Te Ndihmofte Ora" (May the Ora Help You). Young people nowadays believe more in Eminem than Ora. That makes sense.

ZANA is the goddess of beauty, imagination and dreams. She is what Norse and Celtic ancient religions would refer to as a Fairy, but her main qualities are not beauty and sensuality. It is the lucidity of her mind and the nobility of her feelings that makes her different from a traditional fairy. She inspires the sense of beauty and aesthetics.

TE LUMET (THE BLESSED), (aka shto-zo-vallet). Closer to traditional fairies, they are young and beautiful girls that have magic and EVIL powers (more like a real beautiful girl). They celebrate existence and nature's fertility, by singing, dancing and eating. Their foods is similar to ancient Greek Gods, meaning it comes from the essence of flowers and Honey. There is always a table with food near where they live. If a human, unknowingly, (humans can neither see them nor their possessions) steps on any of their possessions, especially their table, he or she will be crippled, turned mad or caused to have great misfortunes in his life. Philosophically, they represent that domain and those powers which humans can neither know, nor possess.


Most of Malcia people today have left their homeland as their wise and unique culture faced too many negativities since the communists snatched the power away from the people of Albania and Montenegro. They can be found today in New York, Detroit, Germany and Italy. The first generation of emigrants was involved mostly in real estate and restaurants. The American born generation tends to seek education rather than small business ownership. Information turned out to be more profitable than money for some Malcor kids -- they got it right.

The most distinguished Malcia artist today is probably Angjelin Perljocal-www.preljocaj.org/Pages/uk/frame.htm

and of course Malotas, Malcia's own Hollywood Family- www.imdb.com/find?q=malot...m=on;mx=20

plus the Boss of Albanian American Politics himself Martin Vulai www.naac.org

Probably the most distinguished Malcia thinker (probably Albanian thinker) is Rexhep Qosia (from Vuthai), a literary critic, writer and political activist (sounds like a French guy) - www.amazon.com/exec/obido...82-2545544

According to Kol Berisha, a Malcia Anthropologist (Priest too) that worked before WWII, Malcia held once a year a beauty contest way before Miz Universe began. It still goes on. Women and Men wear those great ancient costumes for that day and it is definitively the most authentic and the most beautiful show in Albania, probably one of the most interesting in the whole world. It happens every year on St Prena's day (Around August 25th) at Brodolec, where one can also visit the Albanian Alps' Pearl--Lepusha Village. www.malesia.org/miss_bjes...led-12.htm


Pope Klementini IX was from Seltza Village of Kelmendi

Agnes Vuthai is Miss Albania 2004
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Illustrated London News 1880
The Albanian question. Tusi/Tuzi offered in exchange of Gusinje/Guci



ILN 1880.
Albanian dance in the camp near Ulqin.



Illustrated London News - Alb soldiers in 1902


Ulqini's battle and surrender.


Postcard of Alb mountaineers deported to Montenegro, because of the war.
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NewYork Times 1880....Albanians in Montenegro:

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"In March, 1878, the Russians imposed the Treaty of San Stefano on vanquished Turkey. The Treaty of Berlin, which was signed in July of that same year, modified some of the decisions dictated in San Stefano, but remained favorable to the Slavic populations in the Balkans while ignoring the rights of the non-Slavs, i.e., of the Albanians.

Montenegro, Russia's protégé, was granted state Autonomy1 and allotted territories which were nominally under Turkish rule but whose population was Albanian: the rich valleys of Plava and Gusigne, the Albanian strongholds of Hoti and Gruda, and also the seaport of Ulcin.


The see of a Catholic bishopric from 877 to 1560, Ulcin had practically never been under Slavic rule. Its population was 95% Albanian. The Albanians defended it heroically, just as they had defended all the other regions allotted to Montenegro by the Great Powers. However, the Great Powers eventually intervened using naval and military forces and they handed over Ulcin to Montenegro.As a result of the Treaty of Berlin, Serbia, which already had state autonomy, was enlarged. The aggrandizement of her territory was also made possible at the expense of the Albanians, who inhabited the towns granted to her, namely Kurshumlija, Leskovac, Vranja, Toplica and Nish."



this was written in 1913!

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talk about Heroism of so called Montenegro Slaves...........LOL its just tales!

Payback is a bitch but its coming your way, slowly but surely! "Nonen shkijeve"
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Any albanian who is a legal citizen of Montenegro like the malisors is welcome to stay here as long as he abides by the law and does not try to repeat the already seen scenario of what some did in Kosovo and FYR Macedonia by trying to proclaim "greater-albania" aspirations. The snake Adem Demaci is trying his best to do just that, by organizing demonstrations for Tuzi to become a separate town outside Podgorica's jurisdiction, I see his sily comments in the newspapers, no wonder he spent the better years of his life behind Tito's bars.

I even see some albanian immigrants holding protests in the U.S. from that malesija region, trying to pressure the Prime Minister of Montenegro - Milo Djukanovic to give them autonomy, by blackmailing him over the referendum issue.

But forgive me, this was a topic about the history of Montenegrins-Serbs so lets not spam the topic here like in the other topic.

If you want to open one about albanian history you can make a separate one.
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Any albanian who is a legal citizen of Montenegro like the malisors is welcome to stay here as long as he abides by the law and does not try to repeat the already seen scenario of what some did in Kosovo and FYR Macedonia by trying to proclaim "greater-albania" aspirations. The snake Adem Demaci is trying his best to do just that, by organizing demonstrations for Tuzi to become a separate town outside Podgorica's jurisdiction, I see his sily comments in the newspapers, no wonder he spent the better years of his life behind Tito's bars.

I even see some albanian immigrants holding protests in the U.S. from that malesija region, trying to pressure the Prime Minister of Montenegro - Milo Djukanovic to give them autonomy, by blackmailing him over the referendum issue.

But forgive me, this was a topic about the history of Montenegrins-Serbs so lets not spam the topic here like in the other topic.

If you want to open one about albanian history you can make a separate one.

You opened this thread about Montenegros history. Now, Montenegros history is attached to Albanian history whether u like it or not. Because what you call Montenegro was once upon a time mostly Albanian territory and still is inhabited by albanians even though a huuuuuuuuuge amount of our brothers and sisters in Mal të Zi emmigrated to USA.

Now, these days money talks. And Djukanovic, whether he likes it or not, he will be influated by albanian-americans and their money. When you kicked them out you thought they never get back. But an Albanian never forget his roots. What goes around comes around. And Demaci is being rather modest with his suggestions. There will be much "not so modest" suggestions in the future.

but still, Montenegros history somehow is even Albanian history. Do not forget that, even though you are not being taught that in school.

And there is no plan of Greater Albania. Albania was and will forever be great.

Payback is a bitch but its coming your way, slowly but surely! "Nonen shkijeve"
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And there is no plan of Greater Albania. Albania was and will forever be great.

July 9, 2001 issue of Newsweek International:
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The 10 worst countries in the world
Benighted nations that plumb the depts of state oppression, poverty and all-round misery.

1. North Korea
A vast gulag where citizens are forced to worship their 'Great Leader,' who lets them die like flies

2. Afghanistan
As if an endless civil war and psychotic regime were not enough, a punishing drought is starving millions

3. Sierra Leone
Africa's most brutal war has taken life and limb, literally, from thousands of children

4. Sudan
Ethnic and religious enmities have so riven the country that it hardly qualifies as a nation at all

5. Angola
A quarter century of civil war - and the rich, feeding off oil profits, are still getting richer

6. Tajikistan
The poorest of the former Soviet republics is torn between a two-bit dictator and disgruntled warlords

7. Dem. Rep. of Congo
Plagued by every ill of our times: greed, ethnic tension, civil war, foreign aggression, AIDS, poverty

8. Albania
Smuggling is the biggest foreign-exchange earner, and criminal gangs hold more sway than the state


9. Haiti
Misrule and international donor fatigue continue to make a potential Caribbean paradise a hell on earth

10. Iraq
The worst of both worlds - sanctions have ravaged the economy and Saddam's boot is as heavy as ever
But you can believe whatever makes you feel better. You can make up your "great Illyrian" history and try to steal other's land. Can't blame you guys though, when all you have is Albania It's not easy being a bunch of nobodies.
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Marko3 who are the next to kill children Sanxhak or Vojvodina?

Look serbians barbarians how killed albanians civils (Children, Woman, old man):

http://www.alb-net.com/warcrimes-img/abri.htm
http://www.alb-net.com/warcrimes-img/prekaz.htm
http://www.alb-net.com/warcrimes-img/rugove.htm
http://www.alb-net.com/warcrimes-img/lybeniq.htm
http://www.alb-net.com/kcc/recak.htm


are you humans? what are you...dEvils?

how you massacred milions civils? misery :thmbdown:

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Anybody prepared to place bets on whether the Albinos will flood a topic related to the history of China and try to claim most major Chinese cities as their own?
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post #15 of 23 (permalink) Old April 22nd, 2006, 14:01
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I will put a bet for NO

afterall you are known for 'SRBIA TO TOKIO' not us
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I will put a bet for NO

afterall you are known for 'SRBIA TO TOKIO' not us

Yeah but we go the other way around thus not affecting China (wouldn't want to piss them off, ya know)
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Yeah but we go the other way around thus not affecting China (wouldn't want to piss them off, ya know)

which way around?! Reaching Zemun would not be so difficult.

dont you Nokias have GPRS?!

Payback is a bitch but its coming your way, slowly but surely! "Nonen shkijeve"
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which way around?! Reaching Zemun would not be so difficult.

dont you Nokias have GPRS?!

man you ARE thick


Highlander, vojvodo, I guess I know how you're voting in the referendum this may huh? Ziveli :thmbup: but you overdid it with that, ehm, "poem" in the other thread mate, for things like that here you'll get banned.


Anyways here is the best site on the history of Montenegro, a true gem:

http://www.njegos.org/
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man you ARE thick


Highlander, vojvodo, I guess I know how you're voting in the referendum this may huh? Ziveli :thmbup: but you overdid it with that, ehm, "poem" in the other thread mate, for things like that here you might just get banned.
hhaa, that poem shows nothing more than how kind of cowards you are, and btw, say goodbye to Montenegro! Now you have no more sea!

Payback is a bitch but its coming your way, slowly but surely! "Nonen shkijeve"

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How about posting in English and without insults this time? I am re-opening this thread but more of this childish antics and I may be forced to close it for good.

P.S. I am referring to a bunch of posts that were deleted in case anyone is wondering.

“But we're a university! We have to have a library!" said Ridcully. "It adds tone. What sort of people would we be if we didn't go into the library?"

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