Originally Posted by Bastin
Forgetting's easy. After all, you seem to have forgotten the hundreds of thousands of lives that he saved by successfully defending Israel from the Arab countries that sought to kill all Israeli Jews. It's remedial Bastiat all over again.
Again, we interpret things differently here.
You obviously see 100% legitimacy for the "Israeli-State" hence you set forth this tone as if you are speaking on their behalf (noticed this in a previous thread as well). No problem there, everyone is entitled to their own POV and opinion.
However, you give me the impression that you have no consideration whatsoever for the Arab inhabitants who had to evacuate as a result of 1948...and the rest of history that follows. Are those lives unworthy? Or is OK for them to be treated like animals, or "cockroaches" as they've been so eloquently described by Goldameir.
Naturally, the Arabs saw these Jewish immigrants as intruders, hence the first Arab-Israeli war in 1948. Most Arabs still do, in fact, see them as intruders. OTOH, you have people (like myself) who not only see them as intruders, but pretty much acknowledge the fact that these intruders are here to stay. What happened in post-48 happened, this is the status quo like it or not. Hard truth for us Arabs, but Jordan and Egypt have so far learned to live with it, while the rest of the Arab nations mind their own business...or carry out under-the-table business - alot of rumors here that Qatari and Emarati businessmen do secret deals with Israelis.
Anyway, my point being - we have problems that need to be tackled, yet soooo much time is being wasted, and it's costing Palestinians their lives and their homes. We had Camp Davids, Madrids, Oslos, more Olsos, more Camp Davids, Road Maps...all were failures, followed by new ideas to come up with solutions. It seems that time is meaningless on Israel's side. Look at the timeline - when did we last have a breakthrough between the two sides? 1993's Oslo. Then what? The Gaza pullout in 2005. That's 12 years for God's sake! When is the next "milestone"?
Spare me the you-had-the-chance-in-Camp-David-II-but-Arafat-threw-it-away argument, because the offer Barak made was no different than what we are seeing in Palestine today.