Originally Posted by AMOROSO!
If the army in Spain still has such "ambitions" like getting involved in the political situation of the country, then the goverments are to blame. After the junta of the colonels fell in Greece, within 5 years about 80% of the high ranking officers of the army were either discharged or "retired", and also those lower-ranking officers who could eventually make a military career and become generals or colonels. Every single root of dictatorship participants or sympathizers was ripped out and several passed a court martial too. Since then there isn't a single voice from the army about politics.
Altough the fear is still there, so usually the top desks of the general command of the army and the intelligence services are staffed with officers from the Navy, which was always very liberal and democratic and was even against the junta. Greece might be the only country which has almost permantly an Admiral as Chief of Staff, instead of a General.
Yeah, it was the same in Spain. Many of the old high ranking officers disappeared in the early 80s. I didn't expect anything like this and I want to think that it's an exception. So I don't think that the generals could be thinking in a coup d'etat, but I am sure that they're still conservative. The problem is that the Spanish right is creating a lot of tension with the process to make a new major law for Catalunya, raising old ghosts and stereotypes.
The Spanish right, not only the party, but also their associations, the Church and their media promote the boycott to anything that smells Catalan and I guess that the most conservative militar officers swallowed that shit.
The project for the new Catalan law is being discussed in the Parliament and it'll give more competences to the Catalan government. Some of the aspects may not be constitutional, but it's not approved yet, so it's something that has to be closed yet. In any case, if it's constitutional or not, it has to be decided by the Constitutional Tribunal, not by the Army. The problem is that the right is saying all the time that "Spain is going to break", which is false.
But this General said that part of the army share his ideas. In that sense, I think it's necessary to investigate the army to cut all this from the roots. The worst of all is that the right didn't denounce this attack to the democracy and the Constitution and I think it takes them to the pre-Civil War times. They do it, because it gives them votes in the most conservative zones of Spain, anti-Catalan by nature... but it's an action of irresponsability. The right thinks that anything is well done, just to get votes. As I said, if they lied about the bombs of AlQaeda in Madrid, they can do anything to get the power back.
I don't think that the atmosphere is to have a Civil War, but these things don't help much. Our democracy is still young and I'm sure that some people think that it's blessed from heaven to save "the sacred Catholic-national unity of Spain".
Originally Posted by Rhizoid
Interesting read K4. Do you think if one situation overboils (i.e. Catalunya) the rest of Spain's regional areas (i.e. Basque country, Galicia etc) would want to separate as well?
I don't think that Catalunya wants to separate from Spain. If you see the surveys about it, the Catalan society wants more autonomy and self-government, but inside Spain. The independentists aren't a majority. But this is something that many people don't want to understand and they see this as a project of independence and it's false. Catalunya just wants to have the same financial status of the Basque country.
The situation in Euskadi is different. The independentists are powerful there, but it's a 55/45 situation. Lately, the situation is calmer there, since the Basque nationalists and the left are moderating their messages, because Euskadi can't live in eternal tension. The problem of Euskadi is ETA, IMO. ETA has no future and they have to find a way to abandone the terrorist way, because they don't have the support of their society, but they don't have a leader yet, although I think that they realized that their way has no future.
Euskadi also presented a major law in the parliament, but they wanted to become a free associated state with Spain. A kind of Puerto Rico with the US, to say an example. But that went too far and the Parliament rejected that project. It was a mistake from the Basque nationalists, I think. Because their current major law was approved by the majority of Basques, nationalists and non-nationalists. I don't care if Euskadi gets more autonomy, but I think that the Basque nationalists and the left should agree a text. The Spanish right is useless, just provokers. But an agreed project between Basque nationalists and left would have the support of the 70% of their population and not just a 50-50.
Galicia isn't a big problem. They also want more autonomy, but the nationalists don't reach the 25% of the votes there, although they're important in urban zones. The Spanish right just lost the elections there after 20 years. Now their governent is a coalition between socialists and Galego nationalists. But the Galego nationalists are quite moderated, they don't pretend the independence, maybe some sectors, but probably a minority. There are not much tensions here.