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Murder in outback - Joanna Lees

How many people have been following this story? Its the story of a British backpacker who was "killed" in Australia. There was no body, and no murder weapon. His name was Peter Falconio and his girlfriend was called Joana Lees.

Apparently their van broke down, they asked a fellow motorist for help. What happened next is pure drama. Apparently the driver got out of the car, shot the Peter Falconio and kidnapped his girlfriend Joanna Lees. She somehow ended up in the back of the car, while the killer was driving and jumped out and hid under a tree. While her hands were tied behind her back and she was gagged while she was doing all this.

A few hours later, another motorist spotted her and drove her to the police station. When the police searched the crime scene, they did not find a lot of foot prints to suggest the killer looked for Joanna Lees, or blood from Falconio.

To top it all up, she was having an affair with another man, and she was emaling and texting him 2 weeks after the death of her boyfriend, which aroused the suspicion of the police.

I was really shocked to see a court case and a criminal investigation, when there is no body or a murder weapon. How the hell did they know Falconio was even dead? They had to take Ms Joanna Lees for her word.

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This case has captured the public imagination here in Britain. Yesterday while I was reading my paper, almost anyone who saw the picture immediatly asked me what the story was all about, or chip in their theory of what might have taken place that night
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I think that Peter Falconio was attacked and murdered by Bradley Murdoch.

The idea that all the overwhelming evidence of Falconio's murder by Bradley Murder be thrown out because we can't find Falconio's body is nonsense. If one accepts your 'no body, no crime' philosophy, it just gives carte blanche to competent criminals. That is to say, you're creating a loophole that happens to fit Murdoch.

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Bastin is correct.

But she did do something ridiculously stupid if she had an affair AND contacted the ****er while this happened. She just turned herself into a suspect, whether she is one or not. And she looks bad doing it too.

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BWAH! Bradley Murder.

In 1980, he was convicted of causing death by dangerous driving. In 1995, he took pot-shots at some Aboriginal strangers. His record wasn't revealed in court (because that's illegal, I think). However, in retrospect, Murdoch's defence that he didn't know Falconio or Lees must be disregarded, based on his 1995 conviction.

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.....overwhelming evidence of Falconio's murder by Bradley Murder be thrown out because.....
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In 1980, he was convicted of causing death by dangerous driving. In 1995, he took pot-shots at some Aboriginal strangers. His record wasn't revealed in court (because that's illegal, I think). However, in retrospect, Murdoch's defence that he didn't know Falconio or Lees must be disregarded, based on his 1995 conviction.
Well with the kind of difficulty they're having extracting anything from the case you'd think he was a hardened criminal, no?




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What if Say Falconio had a secret life no-one knew anything about? Maybe he did something to some people you dont play with, owed money. . . . wanted insurance money whatever.

And he turns up 20 years from now, how many Nazi criminals were supposed to be dead and 50 years later they were located in South America. All I am saying is Bradly Murdoch was the perfect suspect to be honest, it made it so much easier to convict him
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The Hypocritical Australian judicial system this guy get's 28 years and if he did it deserves it,while Chile Killers for e.g with overwhelming evidence get off scot free for e.g.

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I think that Peter Falconio was attacked and murdered by Bradley Murdoch.

The idea that all the overwhelming evidence of Falconio's murder by Bradley Murder be thrown out because we can't find Falconio's body is nonsense. If one accepts your 'no body, no crime' philosophy, it just gives carte blanche to competent criminals. That is to say, you're creating a loophole that happens to fit Murdoch.
Thats the whole point, you THINK he did it, no one can prove he did it. I thought there is supposed to be irrefutable evidence or a smoking gun in order to convict. All we have is assumption and Joana Lees's story.

At best it comes down to who you believe, and thats just not good enough when it comes to a serious crime like this. Imagine Australia had the death penalty. . . Who would convict him based on assumptions to death?

Its just too fishy . . . . I have a feeling this story is not over, there is another episode left, it could be Falconio is alive. Joanna lied, or maybe Murdoch is innoncent.

I just have a feeling
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I think that Peter Falconio was attacked and murdered by Bradley Murdoch.

The idea that all the overwhelming evidence of Falconio's murder by Bradley Murder be thrown out because we can't find Falconio's body is nonsense. If one accepts your 'no body, no crime' philosophy, it just gives carte blanche to competent criminals. That is to say, you're creating a loophole that happens to fit Murdoch.
Thats the whole point, you THINK he did it, no one can prove he did it. I thought there is supposed to be irrefutable evidence or a smoking gun in order to convict. All we have is assumption and Joana Lees's story.

At best it comes down to who you believe, and thats just not good enough when it comes to a serious crime like this. Imagine Australia had the death penalty. . . Who would convict him based on assumptions to death?

Its just too fishy . . . . I have a feeling this story is not over, there is another episode left, it could be Falconio is alive. Joanna lied, or maybe Murdoch is innoncent.

I just have a feeling
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The Hypocritical Australian judicial system this guy get's 28 years and if he did it deserves it,while Chile Killers for e.g with overwhelming evidence get off scot free for e.g.
I think we're all too well and aware that our judicial system is pathetic, and is in need of a massive reform. I'd rather ours was more like the American system, where at least a life sentence means life, and not a maximum of twenty-five years with parole in twelve. :rollani:

But, of course, as I'm sure you're aware that Johnny H is rather pre-occupied with making us look good to other nations rather than fixing the problems here first. D**khead that he is.
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Thats the whole point, you THINK he did it, no one can prove he did it.
It's been proven beyond any reasonable doubt, to each of twelve people asked to decide whether that has been the case. On every charge, every juror found him to be guilty beyond any reasonable doubt. Thus, only the unreasonable question the verdict.

And I used 'think' because you did. For all intents and purposes, we know that Bradley Murdoch did it.
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I thought there is supposed to be irrefutable evidence or a smoking gun in order to convict. All we have is assumption and Joana Lees's story.
How about the overwhelming DNA evidence? Or the sighting of Murdoch at a nearby truck stop hours later? Or Murdoch's boasts to his friends that it would be easy to carry out the killing? Or Murdoch's attempt to sell a gun the previous day?

And then, there are the pieces of evidence that weren't allowed. Such as, for example, Murdoch having a history of trying to kill strangers without motive, and being a major drug dealer that operated extensively along the Stuart Highway.

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