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National Anthems

What does your national anthem mean (Lyrically) and what's the history for it? Are there other songs that are better suited for your national anthem?.

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Croatia. "Our beutiful" (Lijepa Naa)

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Our beautiful homeland,
Oh dear, heroic land,
Fatherland of ancient glory,
May you always be happy!


Dear, as much as you are glorious,
Only you are dear to us.
Dear, where your land is flat,
Dear, where it is mountainous.


Sava, Drava, Drina flow,
Nor you, Danube, lose your power!
Azure sea, tell to the world
That a Croat loves his nation!


As long as the sun warms his ploughed land,
As long as storms lash his oak trees,
As long as his graves hide his dead,
As long as his living heart beats!

It was written in 1835 and soon therefater became Croatia's unnofficial, and official anthem.

A ode to a beautiful, troubled homeland and to a people who have suffered immensly defending it throughout the centuries and in recent times.

Other candidates for the anthem included Jo Hrvatska ni propala (Croatia has not fallen yet), a traditional piece, but references to war in this song may have hindered it. And Boe Čuvaj Hrvatsku (God defend Croatia) which is a fairly new song.

Lijepa Nasa really says it all though.


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the french one is about killing all which could threat the nation.

I strictly have nothing to say but I want that comes out.
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here is the translation. a peaceful lyric

http://www.hts.gatech.edu/faculty/ab...seillaise.html

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yeah I heard it was abot slitting throats, crying for blood, sharing coffins, parasites, and killing all enemies..why haven't they changed some lyrics at least for international use?


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As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn
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yeah I heard it was abot slitting throats, crying for blood, sharing coffins, parasites, and killing all enemies..why haven't they changed some lyrics at least for international use?
well, there is a debat in france about it. but seems that the marseillaise is a revolutionary song and make part of our history.
i think we should change the lyric for something just patriotic.

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serge gainsbourg made a version of la marseillaise. he called it "aux armes etc..."
he didn't change the lyric, he just put it as a reggae rythm. and you know what?
dumb guys for the elite french army wanted to broke his nose after a concert. they gave to him threat if he would sing it. the musicians of serge gainsbourg left the stage. and then, serge gainsbourg alone on the stage sang it at capella.

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Unsurprising the UK national anthem is about the Queen (or King)

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No idea what the Belgian national anthem (or the Flemish) is about. As a true Belgian, I don't even know the lyrics of them, and I'm pretty proud of that

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Unsurprising the UK national anthem is about the Queen (or King)
Such a short note for the world's oldest, most influential, and most important national anthem? Not only did God Save the Queen predate all others (in use as a national anthem), but it was later adopted by innumerable countries, including Germany, Russia, Switzerland, and every Commonwealth Realm (historically, they number a few dozen). It is still the national anthem of Liechtenstein, the royal anthem of Norway, the tune to numerous other songs.

Besides Liechtenstein, the United Kingdom and New Zealand share God Save the Queen. New Zealand also has another national anthem, God Defend New Zealand. Despite the parity of the two NZ national anthems under law, God Defend New Zealand is treated as the National Anthem to distinguish NZ from the UK.

The idea of the two countries sharing the National Anthem is absurd. It's made worse by three more small problems. First, the 14 other Commonwealth Realms don't consider God Save the Queen to be their national anthem, but rather their Royal Anthems for their respective crowns. Second, some Scots and Welshmen think that it's the English national anthem, as England (and Northern Ireland, plus the dependencies, etc) use it as their 'national anthem' for international football matches, etc. Third, God Save the Queen doesn't refer to any geographic region or anything that defines which Queen, in which capacity, etc. As a result, there's no clarification of what it actually means.

Despite wanting as many ties as possible between the UK and NZ, and despite being a monarchist, I'd much rather have each Commonwealth Realm having its own, distinct, national anthem, with each also adopting God Save the Queen as the Royal Anthem. After all, God Save the Queen is supposed to be far more dignified than other national anthems, which would be an advantage, rather than a disadvantage, for a royal anthem. That way, God Save the Queen's status would be properly enshrined, but its legitimacy as a representation of the Crown in right of New Zealand (or the Crown in right of Antigua and Barbuda, etc) would not be undermined by its use by the United Kingdom as the National Anthem.

As a result, Rule, Britannia should become the National Anthem of the United Kingdom, whilst God Save the Queen should become the Royal Anthem of the Commonwealth Realms, including both the United Kingdom and New Zealand.

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The Dutch national anthem is called 'Het Wilhelmus'. It was written around 1570 and it is probably to honour William of Orange. It was written during the 80 year war with Spain. It is called the oldest national anthem in the world, meaning that the text is very old, but it was only adopted as national anthem in 1932.

Het Wilhelmus

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ben ik, van Duitsen bloed,
den vaderland getrouwe
blijf ik tot in den dood.
Een Prinse van Oranje
ben ik, vrij, onverveerd, *
den Koning van Hispanje
heb ik altijd geerd.

William of Nassau,
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Loyal to the fatherland
I will remain until death
A Prince of Orange
Am I, free and fearless
The king of Spain
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Unsurprising the UK national anthem is about the Queen (or King)
Ours is all about defending the flag against the nasty, mean, awful British!

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The Dutch national anthem is called 'Het Wilhelmus'. It was written around 1570 and it is probably to honour William of Orange. It was written during the 80 year war with Spain. It is called the oldest national anthem in the world, meaning that the text is very old, but it was only adopted as national anthem in 1932.

Het Wilhelmus

Wilhelmus van Nassauwe
ben ik, van Duitsen bloed,
den vaderland getrouwe
blijf ik tot in den dood.
Een Prinse van Oranje
ben ik, vrij, onverveerd, *
den Koning van Hispanje
heb ik altijd geerd.

William of Nassau,
Am I, of Dutch descent
Loyal to the fatherland
I will remain until death
A Prince of Orange
Am I, free and fearless
The king of Spain
I have always honoured
The music is great, but I don't really like the text. It's not patriotic enough imo. How many other national anthems sing about honouring a different king than the national king, and about being of a different bloodline than the national one?

I would prefer the old anthem, "wien neerlandsch bloed".

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Ours is all about defending the flag against the nasty, mean, awful British!
The USA's national anthem is another stupid one. It's far too difficulty for non-professional singers to hit the right notes, leading to an absolute massacre. That's what happens when you take the melody for your national anthem from a music society's drinking song.

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the marseillaise is a revolutionary song and make part of our history.
And it's part of one of the greatest movie scenes ever, in Casablanca, where it drowns out Wacht am Rhein.

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The USA's national anthem is another stupid one. It's far too difficulty for non-professional singers to hit the right notes, leading to an absolute massacre. That's what happens when you take the melody for your national anthem from a music society's drinking song.
Blah blah blah! Typical British elitist attitude
Where is it written in stone that a national anthem has to be sung well? By Jove, we sing it as we want. Good, bad, for and by the people! With liberty and justice for all!

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The music is great, but I don't really like the text. It's not patriotic enough imo. How many other national anthems sing about honouring a different king than the national king, and about being of a different bloodline than the national one?

I would prefer the old anthem, "wien neerlandsch bloed".
Same here. Although the 'Duitse bloed' phrase does not necessarily mean German. It can also mean 'Nederduitsch' as in that time there was not such thing as a real Germany and all people from this area were just called 'Duits'.

It is not really patriotic, that's true. Although the honouring of the Spanish king was not that uncommon during the 80 year old war, I don't think it is something to be proud of.

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But why is the UK national anthem to the tune of my country 'tis of thee?

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Damn straight, Boyo! Answer that one Bastin!

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Maybe you ran out of British drinking songs to copy.

For much of the 19th Century, there was only one melody ever used for any country's national anthem, and that was God Save the Queen.

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