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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old November 22nd, 2005, 14:34 Thread Starter
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Congestion charging

The system of congestion charging has been tried in London, Oslo and other cities and as of 3rd of january 2006 there's going to be a similar trail of 7 months in Stockholm.

I'd like to know your point of view on paying a fee for crossing for instance a bridge or usually congested city centres?

It would also be interesting to hear the views of people having congestion charging as a part of their everyday life and how it works out for you?

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The congestion charge was brilliant for me when I went to Uni. It used to take me about 30 mins longer pre c-charge to get up Kingsway/Southampton Row on the 59 Bus when going to Russell Sq, then the c-charge was brought it and it was magically clear. Meant I could sleep in later

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it works in australia...i think melbourne has it

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I think it's great!

You pay taxes for building and maintenance of infrastructure, and now the good folks that strip your paycheck for said stuff, will charge you for the use of what you've provided...that's mighty charitable of you all for going along with such theft

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You pay taxes for maintaining and building of infrastructure regardless of whether you drive to the city centre or not. When it comes to downtown areas, I'd rather have taxes go for public transit (cause that's the better way to get around downtown) then for more lanes on the highway. Although I'm more of a fan of pedestrian only zones (with access allowed for delivery vehicles for ex.).
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You seem to enjoy being conned (assuming you are in fact a taxpayer)...hey to each his own

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The key is to control population. This is why I for parenting licenses and infant antifertile device implants that can be removed when two stable adults obtain the proper licenses. In addition, we should just terminate p*ssies.

That would take care of congestion.

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...In addition, we should just terminate p*ssies.

That would take care of congestion.
That alone would take care of it...why go beyond that and prevent people from fornicating in the raw like nature in its wisdom recommends?

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Too many unfit to do it. Now, if we would just stop passing laws that protect the stupid from removing themselves from the gene pool, there would be no misfits to discourage fornication.

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it works in australia...i think melbourne has it
Not yet but it will be in place soon,I assume the turn of the year.

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Whenever I read this kind of crap I am reminded of the discretited s hite from the 70's, like "state entrepeneurship" and other such tripe

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Whenever I read this kind of crap I am reminded of the discretited crap from the 70's, like "state entrepeneurship" and other such tripe
Bwah!

I think it's time we bring back Pravda!

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I serve the Empire as well, brother...comrade

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Repeal laws legislating stupidity... Streets should clear up quickly and people won't have have to pay to use something that they're providing with their tax money anyway.
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You seem to enjoy being conned (assuming you are in fact a taxpayer)...hey to each his own
Being conned? Why? Because I prefer a city made for people rather than adding a 6th lane to the highway going downtown? Charging people to drive cars to go downtown is only paying twice for something you've already payed for if you assume that you've already payed for infrastruture for cars. Let the congestion charge pay for automotive infrastructure. Then put the tax money that would've otherwise gone into that 6th lane into improving public transit, sidewalks and walkways...I'm not a proponent of the congestion charge necessarily (it's something that would have to be examined on a case by case basis) but it does not necessarily not make sense by default.

Unless of course you all think public transit and fuel-efficient modes of transport are evil.
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Being conned? Why? Because I prefer a city made for people rather than adding a 6th lane to the highway going downtown?...
No, because you don't mind paying twice for the same single point of service

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like I said you must enjoy being victim to most overt con game in history

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here's a little music to cheer you up, once the truth hits home, my fellow taxpayer-at-arms

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Repeal laws legislating stupidity... Streets should clear up quickly and people won't have have to pay to use something that they're providing with their tax money anyway.
I own that. We aughta start a new political party. Our slogan could be something like, "let the stupid be free".

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