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So with the NDP saying they won't back the Liberals should a non-confidence vote be called we could see a Christmas election. The Liberals will no doubt say that Canadian's don't want an election regardless of what the polls say. For those who don't know, our politicians don't just lie, the lies are blatant. They'll sit there with a straight face and tell you that the sky is orange and nothing is ever done about it.

The non-confidence vote could come as early as mid November. The last poll I saw had the Conservatives jump ahead of the Liberals.

What do Canadians here think about a Christmas election? The Liberals will definately lose ground, it just depends how much and where will those votes go? I can't see anything but a minority government coming out of this and it'll either be the Conservatives or Liberals, I'm sure we can all agree on that.

It'll be interesting to see how many people protest in the form of voting for the Green party. I'd like to see them do well to send a strong message but I doubt it will happen.
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Go Green!

The Greens have a tough time getting into parliament because of our first-past-the-post system, in proportional representation they would have a bunch of seats already.

Unfortunately the NDP campaigns hard against the Green because in the past Greens have been taking away NDP votes (which is all fine by me - I wouldn't mind seeing the NDP dead and the Greens with a substantial amount in parliament) but if they're gonna gather "protest votes" this time it'll be from people who don't wanna vote Liberal but are "afraid" of the Conservatives (whatever that means) and don't trust the NDP.

The only thing I'm sure of is the BQ sweeping Quebec, the rest I dunno.
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Guys, I'm sorry. I don't know much about the Canadian Political system nor Canadian politics in general but would enjoy learning more.

What is the "NDP" and what does it stand for? Same with BQ?

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The NDP is the "New Democratic Party" and they're further left than the Liberals. They have no real platform short of pointing the finger at the Liberals and Conservatives and hoping that their corruption will be enough for Canadians to vote NDP. I guess it's not a bad strategy considering the likelihood that the Liberals and Conservatives will be exposed time and again for something. But they overestimate the intelligence and/or attention span of Canadians which is low in both cases. I guess you could say of the NDP that their success (being elected) depends on others failures. But who knows, they might actually have a platform this time.

The BQ is the infamous Bloc Quebecois, the separatist party. They always do well in elections and win a lot of seats but not outside of Quebec, still a lot of seats though and they can influence policy quite a bit. They also have enough support to be included in candidate debates and their leader actually does a good job, but then I could do a good job standing next to a liar and 2 liars
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The NDP is the "New Democratic Party" and they're further left than the Liberals. They have no real platform short of pointing the finger at the Liberals and Conservatives and hoping that their corruption will be enough for Canadians to vote NDP. I guess it's not a bad strategy considering the likelihood that the Liberals and Conservatives will be exposed time and again for something. But they overestimate the intelligence and/or attention span of Canadians which is low in both cases. I guess you could say of the NDP that their success (being elected) depends on others failures. But who knows, they might actually have a platform this time.

The BQ is the infamous Bloc Quebecois, the separatist party. They always do well in elections and win a lot of seats but not outside of Quebec, still a lot of seats though and they can influence policy quite a bit. They also have enough support to be included in candidate debates and their leader actually does a good job, but then I could do a good job standing next to a liar and 2 liars
Thanks Ivo.

So a couple of questions:

1. Who overestimates the intelligence and attention span of the Canadian voter? The NDP or both liberals and conservatives?

2. Bloc Quebecois...What is their standing on things? Are they more liberal, conservative, independent? Are they a French-Canadian platform? More info on them would be great.
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Thanks Ivo.

So a couple of questions:

1. Who overestimates the intelligence and attention span of the Canadian voter? The NDP or both liberals and conservatives?

2. Bloc Quebecois...What is their standing on things? Are they more liberal, conservative, independent? Are they a French-Canadian platform? More info on them would be great.

what wikipedia says about them:

The Bloc Québécois is a left-wing federal political party in Canada that is devoted to the promotion of sovereignty for Quebec. It also holds the goals of social democracy and the "defence of the interests of all Quebecers in Ottawa" (notably by promoting, in the federal parliament, the consensuses of the National Assembly of Quebec).

The Bloc Québécois is supported by organized labour in Quebec and works closely with the Parti Québécois. Members and supporters of the Bloc Québécois are sometimes called Bloquistes [blɑˈkist], a word formed on analogy to Péquiste (a Parti Québécois (PQ) supporter).
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I'm dissapointed Andrija, I thought you supported the Conservatives.

Actually, I haven't really seen the Green Party's platform indepth. I remember thinking before that they did have some great ideas though.

My only concern with the Conservatives is that their social policy does not get too right and as a result stomp on people's right.
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I did Manijak, I voted for them last election, but this time I'll just have to go with my heart, but I would prefer a Conservative government instead of a Liberal one...for the sake of change at least (not to go into a lengthy post).

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2. Bloc Quebecois...What is their standing on things? Are they more liberal, conservative, independent? Are they a French-Canadian platform? More info on them would be great.
Well, the BQ are a federal extension of the PQ (Parti Quebecois), which is a provincial level party in Quebec dedicated to social democracy and the sovereignty/independence of Quebec. The BQ runs candidates only in ridings inside Quebec. They share the policies of the PQ, but I've a feeling that many Quebecers vote for them not because they are necessarily separatist or left wing (it's not like the BQ will be part of a government any time soon), but because they feel the Bloc will defend their interests better in Ottawa than any of the other parties' Quebec candidates. Plus, the only 2 big parties on the provincial level in QC are PQ and the Liberals, and this sort of carries over to the federal level (even though there the NDP and Conservatives are there). So, if you're pissed off the Liberals and you're a Quebecer, the only viable alternative is the Bloc.
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I'm sure the BQ would love to see the Conservatives in power. A party that is for de-centralization and giving more power to the provinces. Of course they would not want to make it public because enough people hate the Conservatives..they dont need another reason to hate them.
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I did Manijak, I voted for them last election, but this time I'll just have to go with my heart, but I would prefer a Conservative government instead of a Liberal one...for the sake of change at least (not to go into a lengthy post).



Well, the BQ are a federal extension of the PQ (Parti Quebecois), which is a provincial level party in Quebec dedicated to social democracy and the sovereignty/independence of Quebec. The BQ runs candidates only in ridings inside Quebec. They share the policies of the PQ, but I've a feeling that many Quebecers vote for them not because they are necessarily separatist or left wing (it's not like the BQ will be part of a government any time soon), but because they feel the Bloc will defend their interests better in Ottawa than any of the other parties' Quebec candidates. Plus, the only 2 big parties on the provincial level in QC are PQ and the Liberals, and this sort of carries over to the federal level (even though there the NDP and Conservatives are there). So, if you're pissed off the Liberals and you're a Quebecer, the only viable alternative is the Bloc.
Got it! Thanks for that Andrija.
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People's "hate" for the Conservatives is irrational. For some reason the NDP is viewed as benevolent and well-meaning but incompetent, whereas the Conservatives are viewed as able yet coldhearted or even "evil". People will often say that they are "afraid" of the Conservatives. Afraid - of what?

In any case, I think both the Bloc and the Conservatives would favour reforming the Senate to make it like the US Senate rather than like a House of Lords, which would make it both useful and less expensive.
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People's "hate" for the Conservatives is irrational. For some reason the NDP is viewed as benevolent and well-meaning but incompetent, whereas the Conservatives are viewed as able yet coldhearted or even "evil". People will often say that they are "afraid" of the Conservatives. Afraid - of what?

In any case, I think both the Bloc and the Conservatives would favour reforming the Senate to make it like the US Senate rather than like a House of Lords, which would make it both useful and less expensive.
The fear is what the Conservatives want to do in regards to social issues like abortion and gay issues. That is why Quebecers are not comfortable with the Conservatives, and that is why many other Canadians are not. Canada is a fairly socialist country.

That is the huge reason the Conservatives do horrible in Quebec..otherwise, I could see them doing much better, because if we refer to independence, that is the party that will be more understanding of that type of thing. (that is of course to say that Quebecers want to seperate0
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I don't think abortion and gay issues are driving this fear of Conservatives. This is not the US; they will not touch abortion. Gay issues are not a big deal to most of the electorate. No, there's something else to it.
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then where do you think the fear comes from?

There is no doubt the Liberals have put out different advertising campaigns putting fear into people. (in regards to Harper being way to the right, etc)
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This is a good link for Flo or anybody else interested in Canadian political parties:

http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes/leadersparties/index.html

This is a bit disturbing:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...hub=TopStories

For a country as rich as Canada this is plain old unacceptable. I'm sure you can weigh in a factor of laziness for people and they're certainly responsible for that, but at the same time the education system is responsible for letting people through without ensuring they have these basic skills. There's also the immigrant factor for those who come from countries where English is not spoken, or spoken very little.
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I'm not surprised about the three million over 66...lots of immigrant families bring in the grandparents who in many cases can't speak a word of English/French...the other 9 million are disturbing though 9 million!
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Thats a shocking number, almost unbelievable. Any clue what the tests were all about anyways (on what basis do they rank people from 1-5)?
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The Greens have a tough time getting into parliament because of our first-past-the-post system, in proportional representation they would have a bunch of seats already.
What does the green party stand for in Canada? It can't be as the retarded Swedish one who wants us all to be without work.
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I think their current leader is a former member of the now defunct Progressive Conservative Party of Canada.
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