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"The European Union's highest court decreed feta cheese a traditional Greek product deserving protection throughout the 25-nation bloc.

Germany and Denmark, backed by France and Britain, had fought the designation of origin for the crumbly cheese for almost two decades, finally losing at the European Court of Justice.

Danish and German producers, who must start using a different name for their cheeses, argued that what made feta specific was the technique of making it, not its geographical origin."


Have you people finally lost your minds? Feta is a type of cheese! Check the U.S. Trademark Office records. Anyone wanting to register a trademark using the word "feta" must include the language "NO CLAIM IS MADE TO THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO USE "FETA" APART FROM THE MARK AS SHOWN" meaning that the word is generic and merely descriptive of a type of cheese.

Do the British have a monopoly on the words "cheddar" or "stilton"? Do the French have a monopoly on "brie" ?

Please explain this.

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post #2 of 82 (permalink) Old October 26th, 2005, 15:49
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EU is idiocy...What do you excpect?

As far as i know, feta cheese is used at least in Turkey and Bulgaria too. How can they make it exclusively Greek? Its just stupid... I wonder if EU will ban the bulgarians and turks from using their own traditional breakfast cheese!!!

I hate when some nationalistic farts manages to put in their ethnic name in front of traditional food that is used in a region or more than one country....
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The French have a monopoly in the EU on the word 'Champagne', despite Odessa in Ukraine often producing champagne of a much higher quality than the French slop, and Newcastle Brown Ale cannot be used, but Yorkshire Puddings can be made anywhere - although Scotch beef must be from the land-of-the-crap-goalies and Parma ham must come from Parma in Italy.
The example which proves the dishonesty of the entire policy is that any old German slop can call itself 'Pils' or 'Pilsner' beer, to give the false impression that it's as good as the real Pilsner from Plzen in the Czech Republic, but the Germans are powerful and the Czechs are not, so Germany is free to insult Czech beer whenever they feel like it.

Similarly, and not EU-related, the Smirnoff cat's piss company can successfully sue the actual Russian Smirnoff family to prevent them from brewing proper Russian Smirnoff Vodka in the family tradition using their own name.
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As far as I know Feta is not a mark, but means "slice" originally, wheras brie, cheddar and stilton are geographical denominations.

The greeks registered the brandmark rights and now producers from other eu countries may produce under the label "feta" until october 2007.

But I couldn`t care less, non-greek producers will have to label it "soft white cheese drained in a special mold or a cloth bag, salted and cured in a brine solution (which can be either water or whey) for a week to several months".

however, eu decreets, particularly on the agricultural sector, tend to be sort of comedian acts
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These aren't necessarily national monopolies. The vast majority are monopolies held by towns. Feta is in the tiny minority, in that it's not restricted to a town (and why should it be? Feta just means 'slice'). For example, Newcastle Brown Ale can't be brewed outside Newcastle; as a result, the plan to move the Newcastle Brown brewery to Gateshead would have disqualified the company from using the term 'Newcastle Brown Ale'! Now, that's crazy.
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Do the British have a monopoly on the words "cheddar" or "stilton"? Do the French have a monopoly on "brie" ?
Cheddar isn't, as "the name isn't intrinsically related to a place" , whereas Stilton and Brie are. The list of protected names is dominated by southern Europe: Italy (164, including 31 cheeses), France (147; 44 cheeses), Portugal (93; 12 cheeses), Spain (91; 19 cheeses), and Greece (84; 20 cheeses). By comparison, the UK has 29, including 11 cheeses.

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The example which proves the dishonesty of the entire policy is that any old German slop can call itself 'Pils' or 'Pilsner' beer, to give the false impression that it's as good as the real Pilsner from Plzen in the Czech Republic, but the Germans are powerful and the Czechs are not, so Germany is free to insult Czech beer whenever they feel like it.

Similarly, and not EU-related, the Smirnoff cat's piss company can successfully sue the actual Russian Smirnoff family to prevent them from brewing proper Russian Smirnoff Vodka in the family tradition using their own name.
what about the budweiser/budvar vs budweiser thing? do anheuser&busch still use the name of the czech beer to give the impression it is as good as the original budweiser?

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Cheddar isn't, .
oh, sorry, didn't know that, sounds quite like a geographical place though
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oh, sorry, didn't know that, sounds quite like a geographical place though
It is. Cheddar is a town in Somerset. The European Court of Justice ruled that the cheese name is generic, that the town doesn't exist, and that we were all very confused all along.

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It is. Cheddar is a town in Somerset. The European Commission ruled that the cheese name is generic, that the town doesn't exist, and that we were all very confused all along.
Sounds like lawyers were involved in that one.

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what about the budweiser/budvar vs budweiser thing? do anheuser&busch still use the name of the czech beer?
Yes, and are still trying to prevent the real brewers using their own name of Budějovický Budvar, even though they've been brewing the beer since the thirteenth century.

On Oct. 7, 1895, Budejovicky Budvar began operating in the southern Czech town of Ceske Budejovice -- called Budweis by the German-speaking people who formed about 40 percent of the area's population at the time.

Beer had been brewed there since 1265 and was known for centuries as Budweiser. The Czechs identify their beer by its geographical origin, just as Champagne and Bordeaux identify French wines and winemaking regions.

But the brewery quickly ran into trouble with Anheuser-Busch, whose founders used the name Budweiser for America's first national beer brand because it was well-known among German immigrants and represented their German homeland.

Anheuser-Busch, based in St. Louis, Missouri, insists on the rights to the name, saying it launched the brand in 1876 and registered it two years later -- 19 years before its Czech rival.

The legal disagreements over the trademark Budweiser, as well as Budvar and Bud, date back to 1906.

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The dispute is pointless, as no-one could confuse Budějovický Budvar with Budweiser, or 'Sex on the Beach' as it is known (because it is f***ing close to water)
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Sounds like lawyers were involved in that one.
why not evacuate cheddar in somerset and build a huge parking area instead? problem solved.
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The dispute is pointless, as no-one could confuse Budějovický Budvar with Budweiser, or 'Sex on the Beach' as it is known (because it is f***ing close to water)
I guess they are not allowed to import it into the american market, are they?
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Do the British have a monopoly on the words "cheddar" or "stilton"? Do the French have a monopoly on "brie" ?
Not only does the UK have a monopoly on Stilton, but Stilton, the place where the cheese got it's name, is not in the designated area where Stilton can be produced. Moreover, France has a monopoly on the name "rocquefort" and everyone else has to call it "Blue cheese".

There is nothing novel about the concept. It supposedly highlights the difference between the "real thing" and immitations, though why can't someone produce feta or stilton or champagne with the proper real techniques outside Greece, the UK or France is beyond me.

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I think the alcohol-free Budweiser is even trying to stop Budějovický Budvar exporting to China (!).
It's remeniscent of McDonald's trying to stop some poor old Scottish fella called MacDonald calling his little cafe MacDonald's.
Although I an a fan of the burger chain MacDonald's - it is a kind of Natural Selection for the entire world, in that the feeblest and most useless lardbuckets of the herd will regularly eat MacDonald's and have an early death, leaving the rest of the human race younger and fitter as a result
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I wonder if Chicago style deep dish pizza is protected?

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There is nothing novel about the concept. It supposedly highlights the difference between the "real thing" and immitations, though why can't someone produce feta or stilton or champagne with the proper real techniques outside Greece, the UK or France is beyond me.
They can and they do, they just can't label it as such. Officially, champagne outside of Champagne is Sparkling Wine, but everyone calls it Champagne anyway.

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Hmmm...

http://www.humbirdcheese.com/

There's something fishy cheesy about this.

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Hmmm...

http://www.humbirdcheese.com/

There's something fishy cheesy about this.
no feta on that one
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Hmmm...

http://www.humbirdcheese.com/

There's something fishy cheesy about this.
They've taken my trademark! I'll sue!

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I don´t have a beef with some of these calls, for instance champagne, I think anyone understands that it can only be called that when the grapes are from that region, I don´t see the problem from other makers having to call it spumante or other names.
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