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This is the "What If", thread. If this and that hadn't happened how would things develop in the future. Example. Had the confederate states won the American civil war, had Franz Ferdinand of Austria never been shot, Had Muhammed never founded Islam, Had Napoleon never came to power in France, Had "Operation Barbarossa" never taken place. Come up with some fundamental episodes in History and discuss if they could have been prevented and how things would look diffrent in the future.

No, thing such as "Nazi invasion in America" or something that unrealistic, but things that indeed could have had a diffrent ending.

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I think timetravelforum.net would interest you greatly...
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No thank you.

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really? by opening this thread and by posting the questions you have, it seems to me that you want to discuss the idea of alternate realities? different dimensions? time travel perhaps???
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well if operation barbarossa wudnt hav taken place then france,holland,belgium,etc wud be ruled by nazis even now.d-day wud never hav taken place as the brits & yanks wud hav been too scared to attack a german army which wud hav guderian,manstein etc on their fronts & the german army wud be too strong for them.the russians for their part wud hav had to fight the nazis sometime later as they surely cudnt tolerate an empire as big as 3rd reich as their neighbours.a war wud hav taken place maybe in the 1950s and that wud hav been the end of europe and the americans wud come out strong in the end as the socialists & the nazis wud finish each other off
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well we have one being to thank for not allowing those things to unfold now dont we???
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well we have one being to thank for not allowing those things to unfold now dont we???


id like to act dumb here.......ur talkin bout hitler right
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well if operation barbarossa wudnt hav taken place then france,holland,belgium,etc wud be ruled by nazis even now.d-day wud never hav taken place as the brits & yanks wud hav been too scared to attack a german army which wud hav guderian,manstein etc on their fronts & the german army wud be too strong for them.the russians for their part wud hav had to fight the nazis sometime later as they surely cudnt tolerate an empire as big as 3rd reich as their neighbours.a war wud hav taken place maybe in the 1950s and that wud hav been the end of europe and the americans wud come out strong in the end as the socialists & the nazis wud finish each other off
What you are trying to say is that it would have been a Europe divided between the two of them. Possible. Italy would have taken south europe I suppose and as you said, no d-day and no American invention in Europe either. Today we would have been speaking German instead of English And Europe wouldn't have become democratic til the 70's perhaps...

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If the South would’ve won we'd a had it made,
I'd prob’ly run for President of the Southern State.
The day Elvis passed away would be our national holiday,
If the South would a won we'd had a it made.

I'd make my Supreme Court down in Texas,
And we wouldn't have no killers gettin’off free.
If they were proven guilty, then they would swing quickly,
Instead of writin’ books and smilin’ on T.V.

We'd all learn Cajun cookin in Louisiana,
And I'd put that capitol back in Alabama.
We'd put Florida on the right track ‘cause, we'd take Miami back,
And throw all them pushers in the slammer.

If the South would’ve won we'd a had it made,
I'd prolly run for President of the Southern States.
The day young Skynyrd died we’d show our Southern Pride,
If the South would a won we'd had a it made.

I'd have all the whiskey made in Tennessee,
And all the horses raised in those Kentucky hills.
The national treasury would be in Tupelo, Mississippi
And I'd put Hank William’s picture on one hundred dollar bills.

I'd have all the cars made in the Carolina's,
And I'd ban all the ones made in China.
I'd have every girl and child sent to Georgia to learn to smile,
And talk with that southern accent that drives me wild.

I'd have all the fiddles made in Virginia
Cause they sure can make'em sound so fine.
I'm goin up on Wolverton mountain and see ole Clinton Powers,
And have a sip of his good ole Arkansas wine.

Hey, if the South woulda won we'd had it made
I'd prolly run for President of the Southern States,
When Patsy Cline passed away that would be our national holiday,
If the South woulda won we'd a had it made.

If the South woulda won we'd a had it made.
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What you are trying to say is that it would have been a Europe divided between the two of them. Possible. Italy would have taken south europe I suppose and as you said, no d-day and no American invention in Europe either. Today we would have been speaking German instead of English And Europe wouldn't have become
democratic til the 70's perhaps...

ya and i guess there wud be no cold war either for both germany & russia wud hav been wiped off the map as surely both wud hav nuked each other by then.China wud be the biggest threat to usa and the cold war wud hav started in the 1960s b\w the 2 of them and i think we would still be in it . man this does get scarry.i think i wud like to stick to our present history.
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Well going along those lines, if Draza Mihajlovic won occupation of Yugoslavia in the aftermath of world war 2, then yugoslavia would still be alive today, and almost 100 % serb
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Well going along those lines, if Draza Mihajlovic won occupation of Yugoslavia in the aftermath of world war 2, then yugoslavia would still be alive today, and almost 100 % serb
And you'd love it don't you little fascist?

If people wanted to live well and harmoniously, being neither greedy nor stupid, no war would have taken place... oh sorry, too unrealistic.
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well if operation barbarossa wudnt hav taken place then france,holland,belgium,etc wud be ruled by nazis even now.d-day wud never hav taken place as the brits & yanks wud hav been too scared to attack a german army which wud hav guderian,manstein etc on their fronts & the german army wud be too strong for them.the russians for their part wud hav had to fight the nazis sometime later as they surely cudnt tolerate an empire as big as 3rd reich as their neighbours.a war wud hav taken place maybe in the 1950s and that wud hav been the end of europe and the americans wud come out strong in the end as the socialists & the nazis wud finish each other off
If Hitler decided against Barbarossa there's a credible counterfactual that suggests a full scale operation in North Africa (remember, Rommel wrought major havoc with the equivalent of just one division) to take the Suez and the Middle Eastern oilfields beyond would have quite easily swept the British out of that theater, providing the German war machine with a limitless supply of oil, a strategic link with the Japanese and a foothold to attack the Caucasus from the south.
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I think you are the fascist here Joanra, nothing wrong with wanting a country to be United eh...?
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I think you are the fascist here Joanra, nothing wrong with wanting a country to be United eh...?
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i wonder what wud hav happened if prophet mohammed wud not have founded islam.for one the crusades wudnt hav taken place but this topic i feel wud be too sensitive to discuss as already their are fascist chants goin around here
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Well there's some alternate history novel which examines a world in which Muhammed converted to Christianity rather than starting his own religion. I forget what it's called though...
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