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Lance Armstrong cheat or victim?

One things seems to be certain. Someone's lying.

Either Armstrong has been lying every time he's denied taking performance enhancing drugs, or there's a conspiracy to implicate him as a cheat.

For the first time, World anti-doping officials have test results that say results show samples tied toArmstrong indicate the use of EPO, (gets more oxygen into the blood), as far back as 1999. Armstrong has re-issued his standard denial.

I hope the tests are wrong. Armstrong is an inspiring figure, and it would be sad to see him proved a cheat.
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For the first time, World anti-doping officials have test results that say results show samples tied toArmstrong indicate the use of EPO, (gets more oxygen into the blood), as far back as 1999. Armstrong has re-issued his standard denial.
You should have been a French journalist.

....There was also a conspiracy against Sporting to keep them out of 1st place by 26 points. The conspiracy is about to be revealed in a public judicial forum soon enough. It's hasn't anything to do with Golden whistles, but with Golden Showers, as Sporting Administration and coaching has conspired to piss all over themselves this season.
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What has this thread got to do with politics

Dont tell me Chirac is behind this to despise America
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We already discuss it in the Sports section at XT:

https://www.xtratime.org/forums/showt...91#post3248291

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Why, do they get 12 weeks off?
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Why, do they get 12 weeks off?
and all the cheese you can eat.

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Only W Bush can have so much off.

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This is going to turn into a Frenchie bashing thread I can tell.

I will not participate unless Wenger is included
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Where is Mali?
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she's at the sports thread (link given above) where she is irritating Bono.

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and all the cheese you can eat.

woo hoo...

a sorry, didn't know there was another thread...looks like this one can be closed.
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For the first time, World anti-doping officials have test results that say results show samples tied toArmstrong indicate the use of EPO, (gets more oxygen into the blood), as far back as 1999. Armstrong has re-issued his standard denial.

I hope the tests are wrong. Armstrong is an inspiring figure, and it would be sad to see him proved a cheat.
This already shows what is wrong with the story. World anti-doping offcials? The WADA was not involved with the so called testing, what they have now in their hands isthe same thing you and I have, the L'Equipe's news report. The test were done by some investigators reporters that sent some frozen b-samples from the 99 TdF and they say that it "unquestionably" show traces of EPO in the urine.

However, there is no way to prove or disprove. For example:

1. There were no standard way to freeze the samples untiol 2002.
2. The director of the Doping Control Laboratory at Montreal's Institut National de la Recherché Scientifique, a lab that pioneered the testing of EPO, said that EPO degrades after 3 months and they don't recommend that samples that are stored longer than that, be tested.
3. When testing for doping control is done, the utmost confidentiality is used, until the second (and sometimes 3rd samples) are tested, if that can't be done, the result is considered negative as there are inconsistencies with the test.

I can go on and on.

Lance might have doped himself, I have no idea, but the accusations and the way they are presented by this newspaper are an all time low in sports journalism. Accusations without base, without the methodology to prove or disprove and most importantly, without the accused being able to defend himself.

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I have a feeling all this guys use them, any place where money is high people will do anything to win. I´m sure that every cyclist that had a chance to beat Lance also used illegal substances, in the end everyboy using it kind levels the playing field.

at least to the nations with money
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We already discuss it in the Sports section at XT:

https://www.xtratime.org/forums/showt...91#post3248291

What's your problem bono

Now I have to moderate that bs

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mali doesn't give a damn to those big asses of americans

I strictly have nothing to say but I want that comes out.
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Hey, see the biased? lance has a nice ass

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Hey, see the biased? lance has a nice ass
hmm... yes, he has.

I strictly have nothing to say but I want that comes out.
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And we don't give a damn to you.

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