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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old November 22nd, 2008, 10:04 Thread Starter
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This Hungarian-American really wants to become King of Hungary

George Criser Graf und Freiherr von Bothmer zu Schwegerhoff from Beaverton, Oregon USA:



Check out this gentleman's website:

http://www.constitutionalmonarchyhun.../html/home.php

This Hungarian-American gentleman seriously desires to become the constititutional monarch of Hungary. He put in a petition to the Hungarian government to be considered King of Hungary.

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bläää, why Hungary?
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George sounds like a Jesus Freak. That would go over well in modern Hungary.

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George sounds like a Jesus Freak. That would go over well in modern Hungary.
yeah, read that letter to, i don't want him as a king, and he will never be king muahahahah
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Don't believe this Árpád-házi herceg leszármazottja bull. Can he speak Hungarian? I'd rather have Habsburg Ottó. :P
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I would never accept a king. This is modern Hungary where democracy rules (i hope so...current situation doesen't seem to prove that...off topic wtv). And especially if he doesent speak Hungarian...like that wouldn't make sense..It's just ridiculous i would never accept him. He just wants power to rule over people.




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The reality is this is actually a picture of the Galloping Shakespeare starting his campaign to take the throne and return Hungary to its greatness.

Notice the red nose. It's a dead giveaway.

He is simply test marketing his claims to the throne.

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The reality is this is actually a picture of the Galloping Shakespeare starting his campaign to take the throne and return Hungary to its greatness.

Notice the red nose. It's a dead giveaway.

He is simply test marketing his claims to the throne.
Lol ! :dielaugh:




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I have to applaud George Criser Graf und Freiherr von Bothmer zu Schwegerhoff, he has some of the correct ingredients put together - the creation of a constitutional monarchy within the framework of the Hungarian 3rd Replublic.

George Criser Graf und Freiherr von Bothmer zu Schwegerhoff is a good qualified German-Hungarian of high aristocratic stock living in the U.S.A., George's father:



... was born in Hungary and was the Councilor of Ministry of Foreign Affairs for Hungary, I can say his regalia is completely 100% Hungarian aristocratic. The only stipulation against his petition is that he's not of ancient Hungarian Aprad-dynasty lineage.

The only two houses in Europe are "qualifed" to be crowned Royals of Hungary due to blood lines, one is the still powerful international Belgium / Flemish House of Croy, that was founded by a Hungarian prince Marc in 1147.

The great crest of the ancient House of Croy:



Evidence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Cro%C3%BF

The House of Croy was one of the most powerful dynastic houses of in Europe and it is still very respected today, nobody messes with the House of Croy, they're very infuential to this day. Most of if not all European nobility know of the House of Croy. The current of head of the House of Croy, Rudolf von Croÿ, 14th Duke of Croy, has a direct blood lineage to the Hungarian Arpad dynasty and theoretically can claim the vacant crown of Hungary on direct lineage perogatives alone if timetables were favorable.

The other European entity that can claim legitimate true Hungarian Aprad-dynasty roots is the Scottish Drummond Clan. Clan traditions credit Maurice of Hungary as founding the clan in 1066, he was also another illegitmate prince from Hungary. The Drummond Clan was historically one of the most powerful clans in Scotland. In contemporary times, the living John Drummond, 9th Earl of Perth, also can also put forth a legitimate claim to the Crown of Hungary due to ancient Hungarian bloodlines.

The great seal of the ancient Scottish Drummond Clan:



Evidence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drummond_family

I intimately know Hungarian nobility, my last name is Pazmandy or de Pazmand or George of Pazmand, like the father of Nicholas Sarkozy (Nicholas de Sarkoz)- President of France, Sarkozy's dad was a minor noble from Sarkoz in Hungary. We were also minor nobility pre-WWII, there's a town in Hungary called Pazmand. That town was in our possession, we lost all of our possessions when everything was collectivized and nationalized with the advance of communism after WW2 so I very known Hungarian nobility, my family was a minor noble family for centuries prior to WW2.

The most economically strong, socially progressive and stable democracies in Europe have constitutional monarchies or Grand Duchies or Duchies - it is the best form of government in Europe or in the modern world. Modern politics simply endeavor to fracture the voting constituencies and "the people" into bitter vacillating factions based on simplistic competing idealogical / social / economic mindsets. "The people" require pillars of permanence and secure values they can believe in as people moving throughout History, democracy gives "the people" choices and opportunites for voicing and addressing grievances and concerns, monarchies provide "the people" moorings and a belief system of stability amidst the shifting fluctuating winds of historical political thought and social change.

Imagine the the immense prestige Hungary would gain international if the Holy Crown of Saint Stephen were re-constituted and if there was a true Hungarian King and Queen residing in OsBudavara (Old Buda Castle).

This would be the rebuilt Royal Palace in Budapest the King of Hungary would preside in:







When Hungary was a great kingdom, Buda Castle was the greatest medieval Gothic palace in Europe and Hungarian kings were widely respected throughout Europe.









The current prime minister of Hungary even stated "The Crown doesn't belong in Parliament, and it doesn't belong in a museum." - the Crown is guarded uniformly by the Crown Guard at 20 minute intervals in Parliament and tourists take pictures of this holy Hungarian royal relic every chance they get as if it was a museum piece.

My immediate family are warm constitutional monarchists, the people of Hungary have always liked their kings and queens, and the Holy Crown of Saint Stephen is not a historical momento to medieval history - it is still breathing constructionist history transmitting ideals of national solidity, peace and progress. When Hungary becomes a "developed country" in 20-30 years it may reconstitute its traditions, it is currently a "high-income ecomony" (one step level below).



The patron saint of Hungary is the Virgin Mary, angels guard Hungary. Hungary has more saints in the Catholic Church than any other country in the world, and we have more Hungarian and scientists of Hungarian origin win the Nobel Prize per capita than any other country in the world, there's a tremendous lot of genius in Hungary. Hungarians and Germans revere and love this magnificent blessed land of "milk and honey" in the very heart of Europe.

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szövkap, I spent an hour on this thing, please re-read my big essay above.

The only people "qualified" to be Hungarian Royals by pure honest Arpad-hazi Hungarian bloodlines and puritan standards are either from the House of Croy or the Drummond Clan of Scotland - Rudolf von Cro˙, 14th Duke of Croy or John Drummond, 9th Earl of Perth of Scotland.

Both the House of Croy and Clan of Drummond were founded by Arpad dynasty princes and indirectly constructed by Hungarian royalty.

The pro-Habsurgh German faction would like also like gain (or re-gain) the Hungarian Crown. I have to respect the Germans, they like Hungary and there are a lot of Hungarian-Germans in the dominion.

Rudolf von Cro˙ is one the most powerful and influential nobles with ancient Hungarian ancestry in contemporary Europe, he's got the best chance to gain the Hungarian Crown if a referendum were held today for a true national King.

Hungary once accepted an unknown prince from the tiny province of Luxembourg in the Middle Ages. Hungarian nobles made him King and later in his career he became Holy Roman Emperor, and he became the longest reigning monarch in Hungarian history and a long lasting Holy Roman Emperor. Hungary produced a fine Holy Roman Emperor in King Sigismund. On his deathbed the King of the Romans didn't want to be buried in Luxembourg or Germany where he spent the majority of his time, he choose to be buried amongst his loyal Hungarian subjects in Tranyslvania. The Emperor Sigismund loved the Hungarians - so would a man like Rudolf von Cro˙.

This Belgian high noble - Rudolf von Cro˙ contains precious traces of Aprad-hazi blood lineage traced back to ancient Hungary:



Rudolf von Cro˙ may be a wise prudent King, a liberal, a conservative, or a nationalist, in any event avid monarchist Hungarians want "old Arpad blood" to flow within veins and voice their approval for a Restoration when the nation is financially and economically prepared to conditionally accept the "new" King and Queen and Court in 25-30 years.

Constititional monarchy is good for a lot of things in the near future, the matter remains whether Hungary and the state can afford Hungarian King and Queen and Court - it will afford it in 30-40 years. Constitutional Monarchist republican government is the best, the most time-tested viable form of government in Europe, its proven to be real within E.U, semi-federal and existing sovereign frameworks.

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germans are bloody protestants, thus our natural enemies as Kaiserin Maria-Theresia would have said

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I really appreciate the effort you put in your posts, Mayor.

Can I just say that while you seem to imply puritans want us to have a king with Árpád vére in their vessels, many of our greatest kings did not come from the Árpád-ház (the Anjous, Mátyás, I'm looking at you)?

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No, seriously, who is that? I checked and neither II. Béla nor II. István had a son called Márk... and Kálmán definitely did not have either. Or this 'prince' status just a fancy megjelölés and has nothing to do with the actual Árpád-házi kings?
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never heard of him either. but the wiki article where he probably has it from tells us an article from the NY Times of 1913, April 19 as source. it says there that "the founder of the house in the 12th century was Prince Markus, son of King Andrea of Hungary."

so it must be about the son of II András.
on the other hand, II András had no son named Márk either.
and he was later than 1177.
and I András was too early. so a lot of ??????? here.
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why does he have such a long name ? lol




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szövkap, both Maurice of Hungary who founded the Drummond clan (1066) and prince Marc who founded the House of Croy (1147) were illigitimate princes so they're not very well known to Hungarian history. Kings had illigitimate sons and daughters all the time. Most likely that these princes knowing they couldn't inherit the crown, went abroad to find their place and make their name in foreign lands.

Check out the fourth paragraph down in this wiki:


In the House of Croy geneology, Catherine de Croy married Marc from Hungary "of uncertain extraction" in 1178 and started the dynasty.

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however, that dude with the red hair and the silly german name on top of the page looks rather ugly and retarded to be a king of Hungary. he should stay in america.
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however, that dude with the red hair and the silly german name on top of the page looks rather ugly and retarded to be a king of Hungary. he should stay in america.
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however, that dude with the red hair and the silly german name on top of the page looks rather ugly and retarded to be a king of Hungary. he should stay in america.
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