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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old June 2nd, 2008, 07:17 Thread Starter
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Hate videos on YouTube?

I really really hope that this doesn't turn into a hate-fest because then I will regret starting the topic. I am just curious about this. I have been in the US for 15 years now. Sometimes I get homesick and drunk, and I search for Hungarian videos on YouTube and similar sites. 90% of the results are hate videos against Hungarians, and almost as many Hungarian hate videos against other nations. I missed out on the background of this. Has it always been going on or is this something new? I also found a lot of videos about gypsie crime in Hungary. It makes me worry about my family and not even want to go back. But I also found a lot of racism against gyspies. I guess it's similar to what we have going on with the backs here. Truly there is a lot of bad crime and it's disturbing.

I admit that some of the videos make me proud. My country's history is rich and we have always been mistreated. I would gladly go back to fight and die for Hungary if a real war ever broke out. But honestly, I don't see what chance we have, being a tiny and poor nation. We would all fight valiantly and die as heroes, just like always in our history. But if that's what it takes to defend what's left or our land, let it be. I hope it never happens.

I pray for world peace, and for everyone to get along. We have so many other problems on this planet that we could work on if we unite our forces. But the history of the world suggests that people will always hate and kill each other as they have for thousands of years. May God help and guide us.

Please be kind and fair in discussing this. I just want to learn your opinions, don't make us Hungarians look like racist hateful people. (I admit that I myself am far from perfect and am very proud and hateful often but I wish to change for the better).

Thank you.
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post #2 of 10 (permalink) Old June 2nd, 2008, 08:22
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As I Brit married to a Hungarian I can only speak from my experiences.
Yes, I have come across resentment to the Roma people but not just in Hungary. I have seen it in Czech Republic, Slovak Republic, Romania, Poland, Croatia...... shall I go on?
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It is true. I've seen those videos too. Mainly between Romanians and Hungarians. The threads are really shocking. But these are just idiots with nothing better to do with their time. Every country has them.

In Hungary the majority of people are really kind and very warm and caring people.
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Yeah when I first saw the videos I was afraid that something new just broke out. But reading the comments I realized that it's probably done by extremists and the same type of people from the other sides are responding. But I also saw actual news from Hungarian TV that confirms some of it, which is saddening. When I was growing up we would joke around and call each other cigany but I had a few darker friends and it was never a big deal. Then again things are always different when you're a kid....
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But I also saw actual news from Hungarian TV that confirms some of it, which is saddening.
Well I know what you're talking about. But we can't discuss that because it's political.
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Interesting thread, Soproni.

I have to say, trying to be as honest as I can, that the racism on Youtube and similar sites aren't something new and unusual. We all have racism somewhere in us. Only some choose to say it openly, and others choose for those thoughts to remain in their head. But then Internet is a place where it's easy for those thoughts to come out. You don't have to take responsibility for anything, why many put their opinions here. It's simply easier to put out your bullshit on the Internet, than in real life - and be forced to defend and stand for it.

For me, racism is when you have prejudiced opinions. In some minds, the racist is a person who belongs to the group who says their opinion openly. But then again, who do you respect: the one who say their opinion and stand for it, or the one who lets it stay in their head, letting it affect their life, but would never call him/herself a racist? Think about it.

I can openly say, that I have racistic opinions - just like everybody else. But every single one of those, are based on what I've seen in my life. They are not neccesarily fact for everyone, but they are for me. I meet many people who have racistic opinions about people they don't know anything about or have never even met. It's simply opinions they've picked up from other people, without questioning them. At the same time, these are often people who would never admit they are racists.

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So what happened to the invasion plans of Slovakia ?
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90% of the results are hate videos against Hungarians, and almost as many Hungarian hate videos against other nations. I missed out on the background of this. Has it always been going on or is this something new?
Yes, youtube is something new But seriously, Hungary is a country where people (people, who had nothing to do with politics) have suffered so much during the last century that noone else around, but the ideology of the communist regime - in contrary to rival countries where the science-fiction myths about history were supported and considered as axioms - in Hungary was completely against national pride: instead, they had built the "sinful nation" project. Any national feelings that exceeded "viva 1848" were chased. Or even that one wasn't 100% acceptable, for example point 12 was carefully omitted ("Unio"). Meanwhile dako-romanian continuity was kinda breakfast every day in Romania, here students were fired from school if they had talked about e.g. loosing of Transylvania as something bad.
Though this suppression still exists, youtube is a good place to blow off steam. That brings reaction of course - until either side gets tired of that
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There are extremely high number of mentally retarded, cretin ***** on youtube full with unbelievable hatred towards the Hungarians (Romanians and Slovaks mostly) They create a lot of fake videos as well.


Just two users as an example, found them after few seconds of 'search' among 'kind' messages (one Romanian and one Slovak). Just check their profile (Slovak is empty, but full with 'kind' messages):
http://www.youtube.com/user/caleavictoriei
http://www.youtube.com/user/bubibulosk

Full of hatred, lack of basic intelligence and tolerance, very-very sick people. And 100's of similar ones. I feel really sick many times and check videos on youtube just rarely now
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Ok, time to close this thread. Political talk isn't allowed on XT.

Sorry to close your thread Roli but it's gone in a direction where it can't be continued.

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