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Monica Seles



Of course many of you know she is an ethnic Hungarian (Szeles Mónika). But she now has Hungarian citizenship she was always a proud Hungarian with her bazdmegs on court but now the laws are relaxed she is now a proud citizen of the country
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Letette a magyar állampolgársági esküt Szeles Mónika

Teljes titoktartás közepette a napokban letette a magyar állampolgári esküt Szeles Mónika. Az egykori Jugoszláviában, a vajdasági Újvidéken született balkezes teniszező pályafutása a család Egyesült Államokba költözését követően teljesedett ki.

Az 1994-ben amerikai állampolgárságot kapott Szeles új hazája színeiben szerepelt az olimpián (1996 és 2000), s a Federation Kupa csapatában is, melyben háromszoros győztes volt (1996, '99 és 2000). Hosszú éveken át a sportág legjobbjai között szerepelt, világelső volt. Pályafutásában jelentős törést okozott emlékezetes hátbaszúrása (egy fanatikus Graf-szurkoló támadta meg Hamburgban, 1993-ban), amelyet követően két évig nem lépett pályára. Szakmai pályafutását a család, és elsősorban édesapja, Szeles Károly irányította, aki 1998-as haláláig Mónika edzőjeként is dolgozott. A kilencvenes években hosszabb-rövidebb ideig több magyar éljátékos (Krasznai Zoltán, Noszály Sándor) is segédkezett edzőpartnerként Mónika felkészítésében.

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I never knew she was Hungarian, someone said to me she was Serb so I thought that all along.
edit just saw on wikipedia she was born in serbia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Seles
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She was born in what was Yugoslavia. About 350,000 ethnic Hungarians live in modern day Serbia. Her mother tongue is Hungarian. About 10 years or so ago she took time off to help translate for her Dad in hospital. Everyone was shocked because they were speaking in Hungarian. They all thought they would speak Serbian
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Bentex, you're the next

Btw, why does she want to be Hungarian citizen now? She could have been years ago.
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Btw, why does she want to be Hungarian citizen now? She could have been years ago.
No I don't think she could. I think she was refused.
Only last few years the law has been relaxed.

I hope mine comes threw very soon

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Here is part of a interview with tennis.com

You grew up as part of an ethnic minority in Yugoslavia, a nation that no longer exists, and at various times you've had to travel under assumed names, fearing politically motivated violence. What is your "official" identity? I wouldn't want to revisit the problems caused by ethnic issues.

My background is that I'm Hungarian — it's the language I speak with my mom and brother.
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache...3D20030324.htm


Of course with her father too but he died
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Aha, I see.
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It's no secret Martina Hingis has a Hungarian father too. He is from Slovakia though. But she only knows a few words in Hungarian.
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Does that mean when Mónika play tennis (if she still does) she would represent Hungary now instead of the USA?

That would be brill!

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I dunno about that. She has been in semi retirement ever since that hülye Német stabbed her

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Originally Posted by M&#225;t&#233;

Btw, why does she want to be Hungarian citizen now? She could have been years ago.
Ok, I just read that he was her mother's dream for her to take citizenship.

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&#201;desany&#225;m nagy &#225;lma, hogy egyszer magyar &#225;llampolg&#225;r legyek - &#252;zente Szeles,
Sokan k&#233;rdezgetik, hogy teniszezem-e m&#233;g, de m&#233;g nem d&#246;nt&#246;ttem el. Az őszi US Openen szeretn&#233;m bejelenteni, hogy folytatom-e a p&#225;lyafut&#225;somat - tette hozz&#225; Szeles.

She also says that lots of people ask her if she will continue her career. But she has not made her decision yet. She'd like to announce if she will continue her career at the US open.
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No I don't think she could. I think she was refused.
Only last few years the law has been relaxed.

I hope mine comes threw very soon
What do you need for applying. Father's birth cert? To speak Magyar?

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I was told I would need to prove both parents were Hungarian.

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Dear Sir,
We have attached the form that you will have to fill in Hungarian.
As far as the documents are concerned, the main point is to prove that your
parents were Hungarians, and also, that you are the son of your parents. If they
were born in Hungary, their birth certificate is to be attached. Their marriage
certificate also. Your birth certificate, too. Documents that are not originally
Hungarians, should be submitted with a Hungarian translation.
The fee for verifying your citizenship, registrating your birth in Hungary,and
issuing a passport to you would cost You aprox. 82 pounds. The application you
must present in person.
Regards,
The Consular Section
Hungarian Embassy London
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I was told I would need to prove both parents were Hungarian.
Suppose I'll have to remain half Hungarian. :smileani:

Though I was once at the Embassy in London with my father in 1969, when he applied for his Hungarian (ex-pat) passsport, and I'm sure I am on that.

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I was told I would need to prove both parents were Hungarian.
I understand that when you hand it in, in person, you have to recite the Nemzeti Dal, and János Vitéz, word for word, before you are finally made a citizen.

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Suppose I'll have to remain half Hungarian. :smileani:

I sure you can get it with just one parent. Tim Howard did of course.
Szeles doesn't even have one parent born in modern day Hungary and she managed it somehow. But I guess if your name is Szeles M&#243;nika It could be a be a bit easier I should apply as Bentex J&#225;nos.
Might speed things up a bit
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I sure you can get it with just one parent. Tim Howard did of course.
Szeles doesn't even have one parent born in modern day Hungary and she managed it somehow. But I guess if your name is Szeles M&#243;nika It could be a be a bit easier I should apply as Bentex J&#225;nos.
Might speed things up a bit
they told me that if my father had the hungarian passport on the day when I was born (which he had not, he was stateless from 1956 to 1969) I could get it right away, otherwise I would need to be registered to live in Hungary for at least 2 years. (which would be no problem, but I am always too lazy to go to the v&#225;rosh&#225;z in Balatonf&#252;red).

how come they have completely different versions for this? maybe the family name is really a point.

however, Szeles M&#243;ni.

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Flashback: The tragedy of Seles



Monica Seles was at the peak of her sport as she prepared for the French Open in 1993. In an instant, she lost everything.

By Marcus Chhan

Number one in the world at the age of just 19, Seles headed to Hamburg for a warm-up tournament before Roland Garros that year.

She recalled in her autobiography Getting a Grip: On My Game, My Body, My Mind (published in 2009) the day when a 38-year-old German named Günther Parche decided to change the course of tennis history.

"It was Friday, April 30, 1993, a sunny day with a bracing chill in the air. I was in Hamburg for a warm-up tournament before the Paris Open, facing Magdalena Maleeva.

"I was up 6-4, 4-3 in front of a crowd of 10,000 when we took a break. I remember sitting there, towelling off and thinking. Just two more games. I can close this out quickly and go home to rest. I leant forward to take a sip of water; our time was almost up and my mouth was dry. Drink this down quickly, I thought.

"Doctors later told me that if I hadn't bent forward at that precise moment, there was a good chance I would have been paralysed.

"The cup had barely touched my lips when I felt a horrible pain in my back. Reflexively, my head whipped around towards where it hurt and I saw a man wearing a baseball cap and a vicious sneer. His arms were raised above his head and his hands were clutching a long knife.

"He started to lunge at me again. I didn't understand what was happening: for a few seconds I sat frozen in my chair as two people tackled him to the ground.

"He had plunged the knife 1˝in into my upper left back, millimetres away from my spine. I tumbled out of my chair and staggered a few steps forward before collapsing into the arms of a stranger who had run onto the court to help. My parents had stayed at the hotel that day - my dad hadn't felt well - but Zoltan, my elder brother, was by my side in an instant.

"The pain was worse than any I could have ever imagined. I heard people yelling for the paramedics. It was chaos. One thought raced around in my head: why? During the ambulance journey, as I clutched my brother's hand, shock shielded me from the realisation that my world was falling apart.

"On Sunday morning, two days after the stabbing, Steffi Graf came to visit me in the hospital. I'd pushed her into second place in the world rankings when I became No 1. By that time everyone knew the attacker was a deranged fan who wanted her back at the top.

"Our conversation lasted just a few minutes before she said she had to leave to play in the final. I was confused. The tournament was still going on as if nothing had happened?

"I'd assumed it had been cancelled. The organisers thought differently. That was a harsh lesson in the business side of tennis: it really is about making money over anything else."

Seles would play professional tennis again, but a lack of consistency meant she was never the same fearsome player she once was.

Before the stabbing, she became the youngest-ever French Open champion at the age of 16 when she won the tournament in 1990. She was best women's player on the planet for the next three years. Seles won three Australian Opens and French Opens, two US Opens, and Wimbledon in a short period from 1990 to 1993.

The shot at becoming, perhaps, the best to ever play the game was cruelly taken away from her by a psychopath over 18 years ago.

Seles returned to the tennis circuit in 1995 and pushed through mental and physical barriers to win the Australian Open in 1996. It was to be her last Grand Slam success.

She officially retired from the sport which had given her everything and also taken so much away on February 14, 2008.

Although it pales in comparison to the personal loss Seles suffered as a result of the stabbing, it is notable that the incident also robbed tennis of an intriguing rivalry for the ages. The Seles vs Graf history book was only a few chapters old before that fateful day in Hamburg.

Would this rivalry have gone on to eclipse Navratilova-Evert? We will never know, but there is no question it would have been fascinating to watch. The grace of the long-legged Graf versus the exuberant youth of Seles. Graf's classic single-handed strokes against the now trademark double-handed Seles backhand.

Quite perversely, Seles' assailant got exactly what he wanted. Before the incident, there had been indications that the left-hander's game was rapidly evolving and Graf struggled at times against her power from the baseline. But Seles was never the same after the stabbing and the German went on to establish a hegemony that lasted through the 90s.

In some respects, their rivalry might have ended up being similar to the Federer-Nadal rivalry in the men's game. Graf was the champion whose elegance on the grass courts of Wimbledon like Federer knew no equal. Then Seles, just like Nadal, arrived on the scene with a bang by winning the French Open as a teenager.

In time, Nadal's dominance on the red surface would spread to the hard courts and he would even have his day against Federer on center court at Wimbledon. Perhaps Seles might have developed into a more complete player given the chance.

Instead all that is left are memories - good memories it has to be said - of a player who must never be forgotten.

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