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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old April 21st, 2007, 23:54
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April 24 1915 - Commemorative Thread

This thread is to commemorate the 1.5 million victims of the first genocide of the 20th century.
The rightful acknowledgment of this crime as genocide is not a matter of politics, but one of fundamental justice.

This thread is to discuss the history and literature of the Medz Yeghern, as well as different commemorative events that will be held around the world to mark it. Politics is NOT welcome, and will be promptly deleted.

Like last year, members of the forum are asked to respect a day-long forum shutdown on April 24. Details about that will follow shortly.


The memory of our forefathers will never be forgotten.

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From armenianstamps.com
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It is our pleasure to inform you that on the occasion of the 92nd anniversary of the Armenian Genocide, a 39¢ stamp, valid for US Postage will be officially introduced on Tuesday April 24, 2007.

This beautiful self-adhesive stamp is printed in sheets of 10 and depicts "Dzizernagabert", the Genocide monument in Yerevan. The stamp is valid for First Class mailing in the US.

A special Presentation Pack which includes the stamp, official cancellation envelope and limited edition commemorative First Day Covers will be available for sale after April 24, 2007. It is distributed exclusively by ArmenStamp - the official agent and distributor of Armenian Stamps in the US.

For further info please e-mail: [email protected] or visit our website: www.ArmenianStamps.com

 
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Every torch symbolizes eternity and strength of struggle

20.04.2007 18:40

YEREVAN (YERKIR) – The Armenian Revolutionary Federation, its Youth Union and the Nikol Aghbalian Student Union will hold a traditional torch-march.

The organizers call on everybody to join the march and light a candle on their windows in solidarity. Each torch will symbolize eternity and the strength of struggle.

The march will start from the Liberty Square at 20:00 local time.
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My great-grandfathers died in the genocide...


Justice!!!
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My great-grandfathers died in the genocide...


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Very good thread guys
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Unless UN takes a stand against Turkey’s denial, its value is greatly undermined

23.04.2007 12:04

YEREVAN (YERKIR) - In remarks delivered yesterday on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives, Congressional Armenian Caucus Co-Chairman Frank Pallone sharply criticized the United Nations for caving in to Turkey’s pressure to block a long-awaited exhibit on the Rwanda Genocide because one of its display panels included a reference to the Armenian Genocide.

The New Jersey legislator stressed as a representative of the international community, the United Nations must be the leading voice against Genocide, including the Armenian Genocide, the Armenian National Committee of America (ANCA) reported. “Unless the United Nations takes a stand against Turkey’s denial, its value to the international community is greatly undermined. Turkey’s policy of denying the Armenian genocide gives cover to those who perpetrate genocide everywhere,” he stated.

An exhibition about the Rwandan Genocide entitled “Lessons learnt from Rwanda” was due to be opened in the United Nations with the assistance of Aegis Trust, a British NGO. However it was postponed under the pressure of the Turkish government, since there was a reference to the Armenian Genocide as the first genocide of the 20th century in the exhibition.
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I'm not sure if this article is appropriate in the commemoration thread, so feel free to edit my post if not.

The Politics of Saying 'Genocide'

More than 90 years after the Armenian genocide, the U.S. is deadlocked in a humiliating linguistic debate.
By Matt Welch, MATT WELCH is The Times' assistant editorial pages editor.
April 22, 2007


ON TUESDAY, President Bush will be obliged, by law, to wrap his double-talking mouth around one of the most curiously persistent debates in modern geopolitics: Whether to call a 92-year-old genocide a "genocide."

Every April 24 since 1994, the U.S. president has delivered a proclamation honoring the people Congress has declared to be "the victims of genocide, especially the 1 1/2 million people of Armenian ancestry who were the victims of the genocide perpetrated in Turkey between 1915 and 1923." And every year since 1994, the U.S. president has managed to do it without once uttering the G-word. It's a ritual of linguistic realpolitik in deference to the massive objections from Washington's important NATO ally, Turkey.

But 2007 may be the year that the cop-out finally blows up in a president's face. What was once the obscure obsession of marginalized immigrants from a powerless little Caucasus country has blossomed in recent years into a force that has grown increasingly difficult to ignore. In 2000, the Armenian issue helped fuel one of the most expensive House races in U.S. history; two years ago, it turned a mild-mannered career U.S. diplomat into an unlikely truth-telling martyr. Now the question of how to address these long-ago events is having an impact on next month's elections in Turkey.

What's more, Congress appears poised to vote on a resolution urging the president to say the words "Armenian genocide" when observing the awkwardly named "National Day of Remembrance of Man's Inhumanity to Man" on April 24 — the date in 1915 when the Ottoman predecessors of modern Turkey launched the genocide by rounding up 250 Armenian intellectuals for eventual execution.

The resolution won't take effect on Tuesday. The Bush administration, ever mindful of its delicate relationship with Turkey (especially with a war in Iraq next door), takes the bill so seriously that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates warned in a joint letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-San Francisco) that it could "harm American troops in the field." The lobbying has been successful enough that the House has delayed its vote until after this year's April 24 commemoration. But passage later this year would still be an enormous blow to the White House.

Why is this hairsplitting exercise over a single word — in a nonbinding resolution, no less — reverberating so strongly more than nine decades later? The easy answer is that there has been a confluence of mostly unrelated events. Democrats took control of Congress in January and are spoiling for a fight, especially one that can paint Bush's foreign policy as hypocritical. The president, after all, used "genocide" as a justification to topple Saddam Hussein before, during and after the war against his regime, and the United States has not hesitated to apply the word to the crisis in Darfur, where more than 200,000 people have died since 2003.

Across the Atlantic, the Armenian question — especially Turkey's offensive laws against "insulting Turkishness," which have been used to prosecute even novelists who create fictional characters questioning the government's denialist position — has become one of the main lines of attack against Turkey's bid to become the first majority-Muslim country to join the European Union. Most of the 15 countries that have officially recognized the genocide are European (with Switzerland and France even going so far as to pass over-the-top laws making it a crime to deny the genocide).

Then there was the January murder of ethnic Armenian journalist Hrant Dink in broad daylight on a busy Istanbul street. Dink's assassination, at the hands of a Turkish nationalist, shocked the world and led to a wave of anxious introspection in Turkey. Yet Ankara quickly — and disastrously — concluded that the proper response was to redouble its losing campaign to prevent foreign governments from using the G-word.

High-level Turkish ministers were dispatched to Washington over the last few months to warn that the resolution in Congress could force them to close the crucial U.S. Air Force Base at Incirlik and could imperil relations at a tipping-point moment for the Middle East. (The exact same argument was used by President Clinton in October 2000 to convince then-House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert to withdraw at the last moment a similar bill, introduced by then-Rep. James Rogan (R-Glendale), who was fighting a losing battle against Democratic challenger Adam Schiff in an $11-million race.)

For Turks, the genocide is taboo for a host of reasons, but perhaps the most important is that it occurred at the time of the founding of modern Turkey under Kemal Ataturk, a man so sainted that insulting his memory is still punishable by jail. So the battle continues, year after year.

Earlier this month, Turkish lobbyists successfully scotched a United Nations exhibit on the 13th anniversary of the Rwandan genocide because it dared refer to the "1 million Armenians murdered in Turkey." "Every time they try to censor discussion of the Armenian genocide," a New York Times editorial observed, "they only bring wider attention to the subject and link today's democratic Turkey with the now distant crime." Turks even helped water down a U.S. Senate resolution condemning Dink's murder.

Yet this flurry of recent developments doesn't adequately explain the enduring potency of the recognition issue.

For that I will defer to the most recent U.S. ambassador to Armenia, John Marshall Evans: "In the real world," Evans told a packed Beverly Hilton hall of diaspora Armenians in February, "when an official policy diverges wildly from what the broad public believes is self-evident, that policy ceases to command respect."

Evans, a career, keep-your-head-down foreign service type, surveyed the available literature on the events of 1915-23 before taking the Armenian post in September 2004 and concluded that the U.S. position of avoiding the word "genocide" diverged so wildly from the historical consensus that it undermined Washington's moral authority.

He attempted to budge the policy from behind the scenes, but when that failed he took a page from a man he knew well from his pre- and post-communist postings to Prague — former Czech President Vaclav Havel and decided to publicly "call things by their proper names."

So in February 2005, while speaking in California, Evans said: "I will today call it the Armenian genocide. I think we, the U.S. government, owe you, our fellow citizens, a more frank and honest way of discussing this problem." For that remark he was recalled from his post so that Washington could get back to the business of evading the historical truth.

President Bush won't say "genocide" on Tuesday. In the words of Condoleezza Rice, the administration's position is that Turks and Armenians both need to "get over their past" without American help.

But this issue won't go away. Watching Rice's linguistic contortions in response to harsh congressional interrogation by Schiff, who has become the Armenians' great House champion, is profoundly dispiriting; it makes one embarrassed to be American. Of all issues subject to realpolitik compromises, mass slaughter of a national minority surely should rank at the bottom of the list.

Hitler reportedly said, just before invading Poland, "Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?" It's a chilling reminder that forgetting is the first step in enabling future genocides. Yet Hitler was eventually proved wrong. No temporal power is strong enough to erase the eternal resonance of truth.

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IRON Mike Tyson drove by the Turkish Embassy today noticing the huge Armenian Genocide protests taking place on Wilshire Blvd.
He stopped to speak with a young Armenian guy...

Armenian guy: "Yo Mike, We love you! You know why we're here? The Armenian Genocide"

Mike Tyson: "Yea, 1.5 Million! Turkey right?"

Armenian guy: "Yea"

Mike Tyson: "That Damn ARAFAT!" *He meant Talat Pasha*
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PRESIDENT BUSH FAILS TO RECOGNIZE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE AGAIN
YEREVAN, APRIL 25, ARMENPRESS: In his annual April 24th statement, U.S. President George W. Bush again resorted to the use of evasive and euphemistic terminology to obscure the full moral, historical, and contemporary legal implications of Turkey's genocide against the Armenian people between 1915-1923.
In February of 2000, then presidential candidate George W. Bush, campaigning for votes among Armenian voters in the Michigan Republican primary, pledged to properly characterize the genocidal campaign against the Armenian people. In his statements as President, he has consistently avoided any clear reference to the Armenian Genocide, and his Administration has consistently opposed legislation marking this crime against humanity.
The text of George W. Bush remarks is below.
"Each year on this day, we pause to remember the victims of one of the greatest tragedies of the 20th century, when as many as 1.5 million Armenians lost their lives in the final years of the Ottoman Empire, many of them victims of mass killings and forced exile. I join my fellow Americans and Armenian people around the world in commemorating this tragedy and honoring the memory of the innocent lives that were taken. The world must never forget this painful chapter of its history.
All who cherish freedom and value the sanctity of human life look back on these horrific events in sorrow and disbelief. Many of those who survived were forced from their ancestral home and spread across the globe. Yet, in the midst of this terrible struggle, the world witnessed the indomitable spirit and character of the Armenian people. Many of the brave survivors came to America, where they have preserved a deep connection with their history and culture. Generations of Armenians in the United States have enriched our country and inspired us with their courage and conviction.
Today, we remember the past and also look forward to a brighter future. We commend the individuals in Armenia and Turkey who are working to normalize the relationship between their two countries. A sincere and open examination of the historic events of the late- Ottoman period is an essential part of this process. The United States supports and encourages those in both countries who are working to build a shared understanding of history as a basis for a more hopeful future.
We value the strong and vibrant ties between the United States and Armenia. Our Nation is grateful for Armenia's contributions to the war on terror, particularly for its efforts to help build a peaceful and democratic Iraq. The United States remains committed to working with Armenia and Azerbaijan to promote a peaceful settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. We are also working to promote democratic and economic reform in Armenia that will advance the cause of freedom and justice.
Laura and I express our deepest condolences to Armenian people around the world on this solemn day of remembrance. We stand together in our determination to build a more peaceful, more prosperous, and more just world.

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Baron Dants's recommendation: Encyclopedia of genocide, edited by Israel Charny, forewords by Simon Wiesenthal and Desmond Tutu.

Consult your local library, or go to
http://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-G.../dp/0874369282

Also, is the size of the flag you posted in any sense proportional to your level of insecurity?

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