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I chose Kolotov because he was the captain of the 1975 cup winners cup team and he is not here anymore,died too yound sadly.

Blokhin is just too obvious,everyone will go for him....
A strange reason to pick your fav...

Anyways, Blokhin suck after the 70th. Noone could stand the guy in the USSR, objectively. He was very clumsy after he lost his speed. A lot of his goals came from penalties too.
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A strange reason to pick your fav...

Anyways, Blokhin suck after the 70th. Noone could stand the guy in the USSR, objectively. He was very clumsy after he lost his speed. A lot of his goals came from penalties too.
Yeah,in the last years he was a starter only because of his name...anyway he has the club record in goals,games,titles, and in the soviet team also.....he was very good in the 75-77 period,the best period in Dynamo history.
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Yeah,in the last years he was a starter only because of his name...anyway he has the club record in goals,games,titles, and in the soviet team also.....he was very good in the 75-77 period,the best period in Dynamo history.
He was just brilliant in 75-78. Still, I would like to see a DK fan who saw him play and still names him as the best player in DK history p

Belanov was a small copy of Blokhin but with with worse work ethic and less fortunate career: he was already a mature player when he got his chance to shine, and because of that his speed disappered much quicker... 18-year old Blokhin had more time to make his name.
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He was just brilliant in 75-78. Still, I would like to see a DK fan who saw him play and still names him as the best player in DK history p

Belanov was a small copy of Blokhin but with with worse work ethic and less fortunate career: he was already a mature player when he got his chance to shine, and because of that his speed disappered much quicker... 18-year old Blokhin had more time to make his name.
I saw Blokhin playing on Tv.p ....btw wasn't Belanov in some kind of criminal stuff involvement when he was in Germany?

Belanov might have been the new Borzov!p p
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I saw Blokhin playing on Tv.p ....btw wasn't Belanov in some kind of criminal stuff involvement when he was in Germany?

Belanov might have been the new Borzov!p p
No, Blokhin in '76 had Borzov-like speed. His mom was some decent track & field athlete too, so he had some good genes. His results on 100m were in teh area of 11 sec. - a remarkable achievement for football player
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No, Blokhin in '76 had Borzov-like speed. His mom was some decent track & field athlete too, so he had some good genes. His results on 100m were in teh area of 11 sec. - a remarkable achievement for football player
Blokhin,100 m olympic champion in Montreal!p p
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Blokhin,100 m olympic champion in Montreal!p p
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Btw,Yurchishin was Starushkin a good player?
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Btw,Yurchishin was Starushkin a good player?
Starukhin, not Starushkin :smileani:

Yeah, probably, the only Soviet player who was able to compete in the air with anyone in Europe. Soviet players were ntoriously weak in the air, but this balding Shaxtar's forward was an exception Definetely, the best players in Shaxtar's history, in my mind. He had some problems with Beskov who did not invite him to NT too often. By the time Beskov was finally gone from NT, Starukhin's best time was already over. He was a talent who did not fully realize himself. But he had everyone's respect for his loaylty to Shaxtar - he spent there almost his entire career. It was a different Shaxtar though...
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Starukhin, not Starushkin :smileani:

Yeah, probably, the only Soviet player who was able to compete in the air with anyone in Europe. Soviet players were ntoriously weak in the air, but this balding Shaxtar's forward was an exception Definetely, the best players in Shaxtar's history, in my mind. He had some problems with Beskov who did not invite him to NT too often. By the time Beskov was finally gone from NT, Starukhin's best time was already over. He was a talent who did not fully realize himself. But he had everyone's respect for his loaylty to Shaxtar - he spent there almost his entire career. It was a different Shaxtar though...
You didn't like Beskov?
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You didn't like Beskov?
Starukhin didn't for sure p

I have contrasting opinions about Beskov. (1) He was good for Yurchishin and Rodin. It was Beskov who invited them to NT out of USSR's lower division. (2) He was good for Spartak - the best Spartak's coach ever, who actually gave them their own style with small and quick passes which was unlike any other style; (3) as NT coach he sucked. USSR had so much talent in the late 70th and early 80th -- Tbilisi, Kyiv, Sparatak -- but Beskov failed to even qualify the team for WC-78, or Euro-80. He also got only a bronze in the Olympics where USSR fielded its best players. :thmbdown: It was Beskov who led USSR NT to arguably its worst period (with all that talent)...
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I have contrasting opinions about Beskov. (1) He was good for Yurchishin and Rodin. It was Beskov who invited them to NT out of USSR's lower division. (2) He was good for Spartak - the best Spartak's coach ever, who actually gave them their own style with small and quick passes which was unlike any other style; (3) as NT coach he sucked. USSR had so much talent in the late 70th and early 80th -- Tbilisi, Kyiv, Sparatak -- but Beskov failed to even qualify the team for WC-78, or Euro-80. He also got only a bronze in the Olympics where USSR fielded its best players. :thmbdown: It was Beskov who led USSR NT to arguably its worst period (with all that talent)...
He was the soviet Nt team coach in the world cup of 82 with Lobanovksy....what you know about this, who had more powerful in the squad,him or Loban and what was the story with Malefeev?
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He was the soviet Nt team coach in the world cup of 82 with Lobanovksy....what you know about this, who had more powerful in the squad,him or Loban and what was the story with Malefeev?
WC-82 was a complete disaster. Someone come up with idiotic idea to have 3 head coaches (only in USSR could happen something like that). Since most of the players were from Kyiv, Tbilisi & Spartak - Loban, Ahalkaci & Beskov led the team. A lot of fights & disagreement among these 3 ego maniacs was reported and that reflected on the team's play. Noone had the last word, really... it was insane. USSR NT was among 8 favorites before WC but ended up playing a boring tie vs. aging Poland team which sent it home. After tournament, Demyanenko was the only one who escaped critics. Blokhin, Gavrilov, Shengelia - they all were "destroyed" by fans and papers. Of course, injured Kipiani & Buryak did not play in Spain which weakened the team too. Beskov never touched NT again...

Malofeev had a great run in '85. He basically qualified USSR to WC, the team was playing just great - not a boring Loban's style but really an interesting one, nice to watrch... Everything was going just great, the team was ready to go to Mexico... but then smth happened. By that time, most of the players in USSR NT were from Kyiv. Malofeev (who coached Minsk) still did not ivite some players from Dk... All of a sudden DK players in USSR NT started playing like they're sick... They just stopped playing, subotaging Malofeev. After a few ties and losses, Fderation bosses got scared, fired Malofeev and called on Loban with a couple of months to go before WC... We know all what happened then. This story stunk...
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WC-82 was a complete disaster. Someone come up with idiotic idea to have 3 head coaches (only in USSR could happen something like that). Since most of the players were from Kyiv, Tbilisi & Spartak - Loban, Ahalkaci & Beskov led the team. A lot of fights & disagreement among these 3 ego maniacs was reported and that reflected on the team's play. Noone had the last word, really... it was insane. USSR NT was among 8 favorites before WC but ended up playing a boring tie vs. aging Poland team which sent it home. After tournament, Demyanenko was the only one who escaped critics. Blokhin, Gavrilov, Shengelia - they all were "destroyed" by fans and papers. Of course, injured Kipiani & Buryak did not play in Spain which weakened the team too. Beskov never touched NT again...

Malofeev had a great run in '85. He basically qualified USSR to WC, the team was playing just great - not a boring Loban's style but really an interesting one, nice to watrch... Everything was going just great, the team was ready to go to Mexico... but then smth happened. By that time, most of the players in USSR NT were from Kyiv. Malofeev (who coached Minsk) still did not ivite some players from Dk... All of a sudden DK players in USSR NT started playing like they're sick... They just stopped playing, subotaging Malofeev. After a few ties and losses, Fderation bosses got scared, fired Malofeev and called on Loban with a couple of months to go before WC... We know all what happened then. This story stunk...

You are very useful,i must admit Yurchishinp ,but i know my stuff.....p ,anyway Soviet Union end in the top eight of the wc 82,so what is your point,and what you have against the Wc 86 loban team?
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You are very useful,i must admit Yurchishinp ,but i know my stuff.....p ,anyway Soviet Union end in the top eight of the wc 82,so what is your point,and what you have against the Wc 86 loban team?
I have nothing against '86 performance with the exception there was no result. I just said DK players "fired" Malofeev. It was classic Soviet regional politics. Someone did not like a coach from Minsk in USSR NT despite a good play & results...

As far as '82, the system of that WC was different, so it was not really top 8 :rollani: . USSR played one great game - vs. Brazil which they lost. Then they suffered over N. Zealand, and barely escaped elimination vs. Scotts, surviving on a 2-2 tie (Blokhin's & Shengelia's best game in Spain, btw). Then USSR got a good group with Belgium & Poland (the other one had Italy, Brazil, Argentina). But after POles crushed Belgiuum 3-0 (Lato p), we already knew we will need a win vs. tough Polish team. Sure enough we barely won against Belgium 1-0 (Khoren Oganesyan p ), and played just a horrible game vs. Poles 0-0. There were no chances whatsoever during the entire game... So, the result wasn;t bad, but considering the hype and quality of game - it was really bad.
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I have nothing against '86 performance with the exception there was no result. I just said DK players "fired" Malofeev. It was classic Soviet regional politics. Someone did not like a coach from Minsk in USSR NT despite a good play & results...

As far as '82, the system of that WC was different, so it was not really top 8 :rollani: . USSR played one great game - vs. Brazil which they lost. Then they suffered over N. Zealand, and barely escaped elimination vs. Scotts, surviving on a 2-2 tie (Blokhin's & Shengelia's best game in Spain, btw). Then USSR got a good group with Belgium & Poland (the other one had Italy, Brazil, Argentina). But after POles crushed Belgiuum 3-0 (Lato p), we already knew we will need a win vs. tough Polish team. Sure enough we barely won against Belgium 1-0 (Khoren Oganesyan p ), and played just a horrible game vs. Poles 0-0. There were no chances whatsoever during the entire game... So, the result wasn;t bad, but considering the hype and quality of game - it was really bad.
You finnish the 82 world cup in fifth place....you were the second place team with more points!p

In the 86 wc,it could go either way realy,Belgium was a good team only beat by Maradona in the semi finals....Soviet defense was poor,but it was a good game,a classic we can say!
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You finnish the 82 world cup in fifth place....you were the second place team with more points!p

In the 86 wc,it could go either way realy,Belgium was a good team only beat by Maradona in the semi finals....Soviet defense was poor,but it was a good game,a classic we can say!
Who the hell cares about points of some Belgium, N. Zealand, Scotts and aging Poles? :rollani: The country was going insane over this dismal performance, trust me on that! The roster was great, even without Kipiani & Buryak, but quality of Soviet game was poor... Gavrilov, btw, played dispetcher at Beskov insistance, and against Loban's opinion, and, man, did he suck or what?...Could be different with Kipiani & Buryak and wihtout three egos at the helm.
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Who the hell cares about points of some Belgium, N. Zealand, Scotts and aging Poles? :rollani: The country was going insane over this dismal performance, trust me on that! The roster was great, even without Kipiani & Buryak, but quality of Soviet game was poor... Gavrilov, btw, played dispetcher at Beskov insistance, and against Loban's opinion, and, man, did he suck or what?...Could be different with Kipiani & Buryak and wihtout three egos at the helm.
Yurchishin the soviet football was not so good as the soviet handball,volley,hockey, basket or other sports in terms of talent...it was not in the top five in the world in the 80's,maybe in the 60's.....
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Yurchishin the soviet football was not so good as the soviet handball,volley,hockey, basket or other sports in terms of talent...it was not in the top five in the world in the 80's,maybe in the 60's.....
1986 the Soviet Union had the best team on the planet and were once again robbed. Germany 1988 best team again, outplayed Holland but lost to them 2-0.

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