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post #41 of 67 (permalink) Old March 20th, 2014, 09:17
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He or anyone else is welcome to elaborate with precision on how to start such a movement. But meaningless abstract discussions about the nature of the state stop here. We all know that Bosnia and other countries in the region are appallingly corrupt. They could do with a lot of reform at state level. However, none of us as individuals can provide solutions to the problem which we ourselves can enact. Plus, the diagnosis of this problem, let alone the prognosis or the remedy, is not even close to being universally agreed upon.

This thread is about solutions which are practical and within reach.
To be honest, this is the case for pretty much everything regarding Bosnia which we will talk about.
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post #42 of 67 (permalink) Old March 20th, 2014, 09:41
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I agree with you guys about the ideas regarding cleaner air.

-More trees (Making the environment more greener is better than doing nothing). The city councils can really help here. Plant them in parks, schools, near offices, and even encourage locals to buy them by making them some of the flowers and plants affordable.
-Electronic transportation (Very expensive at the moment, this is something that'll probably be considered in the future)
-Fuel quality for vehicles-Make sure they're not below standard, otherwise the fight against air pollution is pointless
-Alternate driving days for cars in traffic
-Encourage urban planners to be more active by giving them awareness about particular air quality control tools
-Implementation of new pollution laws
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Bike paths are a great alternative to otherwise expensive modes of transportation. I can't necessary see anyone riding a bike up any of Sarajevo's steep hills, but there's still plenty of flat ground worth biking on. Anyway, I don't necessary even use public transport when I go back. I'm used to the enormity of the US, so I certainly don't mind hoofing it around Sarajevo.

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I agree with you guys about the ideas regarding cleaner air.

-More trees (Making the environment more greener is better than doing nothing). The city councils can really help here. Plant them in parks, schools, near offices, and even encourage locals to buy them by making them some of the flowers and plants affordable.
-Electronic transportation (Very expensive at the moment, this is something that'll probably be considered in the future)
-Fuel quality for vehicles-Make sure they're not below standard, otherwise the fight against air pollution is pointless
-Alternate driving days for cars in traffic
-Encourage urban planners to be more active by giving them awareness about particular air quality control tools
-Implementation of new pollution laws
Super ideas, because aside from electronic transportation all of them require minimal investment - just a bit of imagination and better usage of already-existing resources

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Bike paths are a great alternative to otherwise expensive modes of transportation. I can't necessary see anyone riding a bike up any of Sarajevo's steep hills, but there's still plenty of flat ground worth biking on. Anyway, I don't necessary even use public transport when I go back. I'm used to the enormity of the US, so I certainly don't mind hoofing it around Sarajevo.
It's true that hills are potentially a disincentive to bike usage, but this hasn't stopped Rome developing an impressive network of paths:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/23/tr...orer.html?_r=0

Interesting to read that in Rome, cars routinely give way to bikes, too - that's a big mental shift.

Istanbul - another city built on hills - is meant to have installed 1,000kms of bike paths by 2023.

http://sustainablecitiescollective.c...-and-obstacles

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I think the Miljacka Metro was a good idea

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I think the Miljacka Metro was a good idea

http://www.ekapija.com/website/en/co...arajevo_01.jpg
It could be great, but unless you have 150,000,000KM burning a hole in your pocket...

Nice idea, though

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Yeah biking is a cheap productive alternative. I think it would also be great for Bosnians for health reasons too, they eat a lot of tasty delicious greasy foods, it would burn off a lot of calories, especially riding some mean hills
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I think the Miljacka Metro was a good idea

http://www.ekapija.com/website/en/co...arajevo_01.jpg
Although that would probably look really cool, it's totally unnecessary. People seem to forget just how small Sarajevo really is.

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Although that would probably look really cool, it's totally unnecessary. People seem to forget just how small Sarajevo really is.
Yeah, it's tiny in comparison to Zagreb or Belgrade
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Although that would probably look really cool, it's totally unnecessary. People seem to forget just how small Sarajevo really is.
There is only one real city in the western Balkans, and it is Belgrade. The rest are the just centers for nearby selo.
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There is only one real city in the western Balkans, and it is Belgrade. The rest are the just centers for nearby selo.
I suppose it all depends on what your definition of a real city is.

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I suppose it all depends on what your definition of a real city is.
This

Although Belgrade is much bigger than Sarajevo population wise it still lacks the developed European character it once had during the former Yugoslavia, when educated workers from Croatia, Bosnia and Slovenia lived there.

now Belgrade is a city where rural Serbs flock to en masse and a crime haven.

It's still probably better than any other Bosnian city when it comes to being a hub for the outlying rural area's but not by much anymore.
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IMO, the should convert the last part of the tramway in Sarajevo to go underground like in LA and Koln, Germany for example.

would ease congestion in the center and if they extend the line underground to vogosca, it could enhance the connection between vogosca and Sarajevo, which is probably the next vital step in the cities development.
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I suppose it all depends on what your definition of a real city is.
0-1 million = village
1-2 million = small town
2-3 million = town
> 3 million = city
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0-1 million = village
1-2 million = small town
2-3 million = town
> 3 million = city
Sounds about right.
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0-1 million = village
1-2 million = small town
2-3 million = town
> 3 million = city
Maybe in China or India..

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Do you want a better Bosnia or just a better thread about it?

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There is now a hackerspace in Sarajevo. According to http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/List_of_ALL_hackerspaces it was founded in 2011, but the website seems to be very new and more information should be posted there in the months to come:

http://innovation.ibu.edu.ba/

There is a planned hackerspace for Visoko, too:

http://hack.lab.ba/

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