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BiH Premier Liga format?

What do you think is the best format for the BiH Premier League? How many teams and which model of play?

I would like to see the Scottish model implemented.

12 teams (5 will have to be relegated this season to do this)

Home and away once then a champions league (liga za prvaka) and a relegation league of 6 teams should be played where the bottom 6 play each other twice, and the top 6 do likewise to decide the champion and the relegated team.


Others suggest a 10 team league, or even an 8 team league but that's just not enough because we'd have 2 games at home and then 2 away with every opponent all season.

What do you think fits best?


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post #2 of 25 (permalink) Old June 3rd, 2003, 21:20
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Yeah 12 is a good number and I like the format.

Its important for the top division to be competetive, you can have as many teams as you want in the bottom divisions but the top division has to be very competetive and that means every team has to be good.

The Scots have 12, but they have 2-4 teams there that are really really bad. They lose to the top 2 teams by scores of 5-0, 6-0 constantly. You know you should have a smaller number of teams when things like that happen.
And once you say Rangers and Celtic the rest of the quality or lack thereof can really be seen, so you dont want that.
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BiH will never have 2 dominant teams, not like the Scots. I think it'll all even out and be very competitive, you'll have 5-6 teams with title hopes every season.


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BiH will never have 2 dominant teams, not like the Scots. I think it'll all even out and be very competitive, you'll have 5-6 teams with title hopes every season.
I sort of disagree, I think you will see about 3 very strong teams, once the league gets really going.

Here is my reasoning, I dont know if the nationalistic barrier has been broken.

I think Bosnian Serbs still want to play for the Leotar's, Borac etc. The really good Bosnian Serbs will play for the best team that is mainly serbian, so now Leotar.

The Hercegovinians will want to stick with teams that have mainly croat players.

Bosniaks (Bosnians) are really the only ones IMO that have shown that they would be interested in playing in almost any team. but again we see a team like Sarajevo, Celik etc still dominated by Bosniaks.

So I think Zeljo will always be great because even though it is considered a Bosniak team, it is very mult-cultural.

Sarajevo will always be the team that top Bosniak players go to.
Leotar may be the new team that really good new Bosnian Serbs go to.
and Siroki Brijeg is one that Hercegovinians may turn to as well.

That is what we have seen this season standings wise.

We see, the multi team up there, Zeljo.

We see the Bosnian Serb team up there. Leotar
We see the Bosniak team up there, Sarajevo.
Then right after we see the Hercegovinian, Siroki Brijeg.

I expect those 4 teams to be always the ones that are going to get the title.

Till we see more mixing thats the way it will stay.
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I sort of disagree, I think you will see about 3 very strong teams, once the league gets really going.

Here is my reasoning, I dont know if the nationalistic barrier has been broken.

I think Bosnian Serbs still want to play for the Leotar's, Borac etc. The really good Bosnian Serbs will play for the best team that is mainly serbian, so now Leotar.

The Hercegovinians will want to stick with teams that have mainly croat players.

Bosniaks (Bosnians) are really the only ones IMO that have shown that they would be interested in playing in almost any team. but again we see a team like Sarajevo, Celik etc still dominated by Bosniaks.

So I think Zeljo will always be great because even though it is considered a Bosniak team, it is very mult-cultural.

Sarajevo will always be the team that top Bosniak players go to.
Leotar may be the new team that really good new Bosnian Serbs go to.
and Siroki Brijeg is one that Hercegovinians may turn to as well.

That is what we have seen this season standings wise.

We see, the multi team up there, Zeljo.

We see the Bosnian Serb team up there. Leotar
We see the Bosniak team up there, Sarajevo.
Then right after we see the Hercegovinian, Siroki Brijeg.

I expect those 4 teams to be always the ones that are going to get the title.

Till we see more mixing thats the way it will stay.
hmmm, I disagree.

The reason that teams from the different regions are dominated by one ethnicity is directly correlated to the war and the innevitable division. The divisions will remain there for a long time.

Most teams have other ethnicities playing for them, NK Zeljo is a perfect example.

Zrinjski has Nenad Dzidic, Fedja Kulagic, Armin Dzinovic, Kenan Lizde, Armando Marenzzi etc. That's pretty multi-ethnical, we are expecting some of Velez's players to come to Zrinjski.

Siroki has been a phenomenon, but the city is too small to support a Premier League team for too long, I expect that when the money goes Siroki will not be no.1 in Herceg-Bosna. I think in 1 or 2 seasons Zrinjski will become the best team in Hercegovina. The fan base is the biggest, the city is the biggest and the reason why Zrinjski isn't doing so well is because teams like Brotnjo, Posusje, Siroki etc. are all from the same region and have a lot of quality players. When any of them are relegated, and presuming Zrinjski survives, we will see Mostar emerge as the football centre of West Hercegovina.

I disagree with the title race, at any given time, any of these teams can lose to anyone. Leotar were beaten twice by us this season, Borac lost both games to Zrinjski, plus we knocked them out of the cup.

I think we will see 6 teams competing

Zeljo
Sarajevo
Siroki
Zrinjski
Leotar
Celik/Sloboda/Borac

plus others maybe...the Scottish league regularly ends with euther Celts or Rangers, or both winning it by 30 or 40 points over no.3. You really think that's the case?


The reason Bosniaks are more spread out over the different teams is because they're the most numerous ethnic group, and they're the most spread out over BiH. It's difficult to have Croatians playing for Tuzla because there aren't many there, same goes for Zenica etc.

It's purely demographic, has little to do with multi-ethnical sentiments.


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The reason that teams from the different regions are dominated by one ethnicity is directly correlated to the war and the innevitable division. The divisions will remain there for a long time.
Yeah that was primarly my point in my post.

And yes you are correct the reason we do see some mixing is the fact that the Bosniaks are the majority in the country and are spread around very well.
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Yeah that was primarly my point in my post.

And yes you are correct the reason we do see some mixing is the fact that the Bosniaks are the majority in the country and are spread around very well.
yeah, its only natural and I congratulate the teams that have all peoples in their squads.


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I definitely agree with Ero,

it could be anybodys title. that what makes the league interesting. I think it should be 8 or 10 teams in BiH.

The competition would be fierce and exciting every week.

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wow, look at this thread and ero's insight....



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Which part exactly?

I said 3 strong teams, you said 6. lol I don't think there are six strong teams right now..maybe more like 3/4.

Furthermore, there is so much corruption, i'd take anything that happens in this league with a grain of salt.

There is a reason I basically only find it fun to follow Zeljo in European competition. At the end of the day, you don't know if its all legit.

When your top referee gets banned for life for match-fixing..that tells you the answer I think.
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I think the league would look good with 12 teams. It would be nice not to have lower leagues that are separated by RS or FBIH. It would be cool to have a second division separated into two or four groups. Either Northern & Southern BiH. Or four groups NW, NW, SW, SE.

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What do you think is the best format for the BiH Premier League? How many teams and which model of play?

What do you think fits best?
I would want 12 teams playing each other home and away once. It would leave us a bit short on regular matches (22) during a BPL-season but is still the best compromise in terms of raising the quality and cutting down on clubs that really shouldnt be labelled Premijer Liga. Prva Liga should also be one common league with no more than 12 or 14 teams. Theres something very wrong when 48 clubs in total plays in what is supposed to be the two elite levels in BiH. Half of these clubs doesnt come with either size, structure or recources to do so.

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Which part exactly?

I said 3 strong teams, you said 6. lol I don't think there are six strong teams right now..maybe more like 3/4.

Furthermore, there is so much corruption, i'd take anything that happens in this league with a grain of salt.

There is a reason I basically only find it fun to follow Zeljo in European competition. At the end of the day, you don't know if its all legit.

When your top referee gets banned for life for match-fixing..that tells you the answer I think.
oh come now girlfriend, Zeljo, Zrinjski, Srajevo, Leotar, Modrica, Leotar and Siroki have won the damn thing, by no means a two horse race..


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I think 12 teams would be the best, 2 being relegated and 2 going to relegation playoff. That would make the Prve Lige more interesting aswell with 1 more team from each entity having the chance to get in.

22 matches in a season and maybe make Kup BiH a bit larger so we end up on some 30 matches for each PL team, think that would be enough.

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league should be FK Sarajevo, Zeljo, Celik, Borac, Jedinstvo, Velez, Sloboda, Travnik.. a-league format.. that is all.

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The clubs need more than 22 matches/season to survive financialy imo. Serie A expanded from 18 to 20 clubs so they could get more money and keep up with EPL and La Liga. But then again I'm not even sure our clubs make a profit when they play home games :undecide:

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oh come now girlfriend, Zeljo, Zrinjski, Srajevo, Leotar, Modrica, Leotar and Siroki have won the damn thing, by no means a two horse race..
It's not a subject I'm that interested in nor even know that much about. (the BIH league) I don't really follow it. I took a stab.

As I say though..for all we know, everything is set up. For political reasons, it makes sense.
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Honestly, I would prefer just a 10-club league with two full (home and away) half-seasons, although a 12-club league could work as well. Sarajevo, Zeljo, Celik, Sloboda, Velez, Borac, Zrinjski, Siroki, Olimpik, Laktasi... those are 10 clubs right there that have either the money and ambition, the fanbase or both to make the league pretty interesting.

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I like the 12 team league, get rid of teams like Laktasi, Zvijezda, Slavija etc. and create just one second league division so combine RS and FBiH to a a regular division, then we should have 2 relegated every year, 1 for Second league and 1 for playoffs. Also I think we should play each team 3 times like they do in Scotland.
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12 teams, 33 matches and 2 relegated teams in one season would be perfect in my opinion.
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