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Road to Brazil 2014: The Group of Death...




I know its very early to start this thread but this 0-0 draw with Portugal has got me excited

Let me start of by saying that this will be our 5th attempt to qualify for a WC and our 10th at a major tournament with 0% success so far of course alm:

To make matters worse we are in the group of death The opponents being Belgium, Croatia, Serbia, Scotland and Wales. Quality opposition all round and it will be a success if we dont finish last imo but football is a funny game and you never know what may happen.

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Croatia - Macedonia (7 Sep, 2012)
Scotland - Macedonia (11 Sep, 2012)

Macedonia - Croatia (12 Oct, 2012)
Macedonia - Serbia (16 Oct, 2012)

Macedonia - Belgium (22 Mar, 2013)
Belgium - Macedonia (26 Mar, 2013)

Macedonia - Wales (6 Sep, 2013)
Macedonia - Scotland (10 Sep, 2013)

Wales - Macedonia (11 Oct, 2013)
Serbia - Macedonia (15 Oct, 2013)

Of course the pick of the lot will be against Croatia and Serbia, especially at home. If Toshack is still in the job then the games vs Wales will be interesting too and there is a bit of history with Scotland after the 2010 qualifiers.

My pick is for the Belgians to finally fulfil their potential and top the group with either Croatia or Serbia in second. What i would like to see from us though is a lot of youngsters to get a go and for us to build ultimately for 2016 but also to be a tough side to beat.
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post #2 of 59 (permalink) Old May 29th, 2012, 14:16 Thread Starter
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The players i like to see make up the nucleus of the squad for the qualifiers are the following:

Goalkeepers:

Tome Pacovski
Martin Bogatinov
Stole Dimitrievski
Filip Gacevski

Defenders:

Aleksandar Todorovski
Stefan Ristovski
Nikolce Noveski
Vance Sikov
Daniel Mojsov
Boban Grncarov
Goran Popov
Aleksandar Lazevski

Midfielders:

Muhammed Demiri
David Babunski
Aleksandar Trajkovski

Attackers:

Goran Pandev
Ivan Trickovski
Samir Fazli
Ferhan Hasani

Thats 19 players right there. Of course other players should be picked but this should be based on form rather than anything else.

No foreseeable problems at GK or in defence as of now but i would like to see Mojsov be given more of a go at CB.

Midfield is really the problem area but theres no point in speculating about naturalising/potential players. Ive just gone with what we have

In attack there are quite a lot of players in with a chance but those were the only 4 which i have any real belief in rather than the form they are in, as with the midfielders ive listed.
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I'd leave out Fazli and Hasani until they actually get some game time and replace them with Agim Ibraimi, Filip Ivanovski and also Ristic while moving Trajkovski to more of an attacker rather than midfielder and maybe even give Tasevski one last chance, though I can't see Toshack calling him up. You could even play Mojsov as a DM, he played the last minutes of that against Portugal but I guess Demiri and Sumi/Gligorov will be the two DM's while Popov can also play as that attacking left wing back. It seems we are going back to the Katanec tactics of 3-5-2/5-3-2 with defensive tactics and fast counters our main threat which I think will work in this group because we are not favourites against any team.
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Good point about Hasani and Fazli but im sure they will move on this summer. That list was the players that should always be there, guys like Ivanovski, Ristic and Ibrahimi may be in good form now but im not sure whether they should be regulars.

Well Trajkovski plays at 10 or AM in Belgium so thats why i listed him as a midfielder as that position is considered to be a midfield one in a 4-3-3.

I dont mind Tasevski but Toshack wont call him up because of his attitude/their relationship. He has always played at a decent level despite not producing for the NT. With Sumu and Grozdanoski i dont think/hope they will be chosen anymore seeing as they play in Asia. Gligorov seems to be the other choice at DM. Ive never seem him play but i wouldnt mind seeing Mojsov, Sikov or even Popov step in there either.

On the tactics, in the long run i would like us to play 4-3-3 with the player we have coming through. In the short run through 5-3-2 may be the most effective.
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I remember back in the day we were discussing how crap our midfield was and it looks like nothing has changed (maybe Babunski will be our saviour but until he proves it at the senior level i wont get my hopes up). At this point even our attackers have become crap. You take Pandev out (lets face it he's almost over the hill) and I just don't see any quality there. Looks like these past few games of playing bunker is gonna be the norm for us.
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My pick is for the Belgians to finally fulfil their potential and top the group with either Croatia or Serbia in second. What i would like to see from us though is a lot of youngsters to get a go and for us to build ultimately for 2016 but also to be a tough side to beat.
I watched Wales against Mexico and I think we can beat them at home. With Toshack in charge if we must get at least 4 points against them to avoid finishing last. I see no chance for us against Croatia or Serbia on the road and Belgium have owned us in the past. If you look at it, this was the worst group we could get. Hopefully like you said, we play a lot of youngsters and someone like Babunski or Trajkovski step up and help Trickovski upfront.

My predictions:

Croatia 3-1 Macedonia (7 Sep, 2012)
Scotland 1-0 Macedonia (11 Sep, 2012)

Macedonia 1-1 Croatia (12 Oct, 2012)
Macedonia 0-0 Serbia (16 Oct, 2012)

Macedonia 0-2 Belgium (22 Mar, 2013)
Belgium 4-1 Macedonia (26 Mar, 2013)

Macedonia 2-0 Wales (6 Sep, 2013)
Macedonia 0-0 Scotland (10 Sep, 2013)

Wales 1-1 Macedonia (11 Oct, 2013)
Serbia 2-0 Macedonia (15 Oct, 2013)
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I honestly dont believe we'll get that many points

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If Belgium get their shit together they can easily top this group with one of Serbia or Croatia fighting for second. I'll be happy if we beat Wales and maybe Scotland since we've done it before at home and get a couple of draws here and there.
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I think macedonia can do it, serbia, croats are beatable, theyrent from the TOP 5 of europe.
scotland and wales got good players but theyrent good teams aswell, they allways fail as a national team.

i wouldnt call this the group of death... check out the group with portugal russia israel

good luck macedonia, im with you
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Thanks mate.
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The players i like to see make up the nucleus of the squad for the qualifiers are the following:

Goalkeepers:

Tome Pacovski
Martin Bogatinov
Stole Dimitrievski
Filip Gacevski

Defenders:

Aleksandar Todorovski
Stefan Ristovski
Nikolce Noveski
Vance Sikov
Daniel Mojsov
Boban Grncarov
Goran Popov
Aleksandar Lazevski

Midfielders:

Muhammed Demiri
David Babunski
Aleksandar Trajkovski

Attackers:

Goran Pandev
Ivan Trickovski
Samir Fazli
Ferhan Hasani
u must be jokin
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If we dont finish last that will be a solid performance by the team, anything else and it would be as good as qualifying considering the groups we had for 2010 and 2012.

The main thing is i want us to be very competitive every game (although playing very defensive) and hopefully we can pick up some points and not be the team everyone gets 6 points from.

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I think macedonia can do it, serbia, croats are beatable, theyrent from the TOP 5 of europe.
scotland and wales got good players but theyrent good teams aswell, they allways fail as a national team.

i wouldnt call this the group of death... check out the group with portugal russia israel

good luck macedonia, im with you
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That was before these games vs Faroes and Denmark.

Gacevski should definetly not be on there but dont rule out Fazli just yet. If he gets a good club next year you dont know what will happen.

Spirovski and Urdinov should probably be on there as well now come to think of it.
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Seeing as form wont really be a factor come the first matchday as the leagues would just be starting then abouts everywhere, how would you guys set the team out?

Its two away games vs Croatia and Scotland.

I would go with something like this:

Bogatinov

Ristovski - Sikov - Noveski - Mojsov - Popov

Babunski - Demiri

Trajkovski

Trickovski - Pandev

A 5-3-2 or a 3-5-2 depending on how you interpret it.

Identical formation to what the Italians are playing at the Euros atm. If played well, as seen with Italy, it can be both defensive and attacking.

It was tried most of the time under Katanec and believe it or not the team had more structure then than it has done since.

The positives of playing this are that its looking further down the track. Think about it, if we ever qualify for a major tournament we will not play 4-3-3 or other attacking formations. Plus it gives protection to out defence and the hope we dont concede to much while i think we have the players to get a goal on the counter. A lack of quality CM's, be them defensive or attacking is a real problem in this team.
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Seeing as form wont really be a factor come the first matchday as the leagues would just be starting then abouts everywhere, how would you guys set the team out?

Its two away games vs Croatia and Scotland.

I would go with something like this:

Bogatinov

Ristovski - Sikov - Noveski - Mojsov - Popov

Babunski - Demiri

Trajkovski

Trickovski - Pandev

A 5-3-2 or a 3-5-2 depending on how you interpret it.

Identical formation to what the Italians are playing at the Euros atm. If played well, as seen with Italy, it can be both defensive and attacking.

It was tried most of the time under Katanec and believe it or not the team had more structure then than it has done since.

The positives of playing this are that its looking further down the track. Think about it, if we ever qualify for a major tournament we will not play 4-3-3 or other attacking formations. Plus it gives protection to out defence and the hope we dont concede to much while i think we have the players to get a goal on the counter. A lack of quality CM's, be them defensive or attacking is a real problem in this team.
seems like a good squad, although pandev or Trickovski should play alone in the top as target striker meanwhile the other one should play behind him, will suit the maco's playing style more.
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You call that group of death?, we have Italy, Denmark, Czech Republic, Bulgaria and Malta.

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I dont agree.

I mean Italy are a class above the teams in our group but your group still isnt harder.

You may argue that the Czechs and the Danes are better as a collective unit but on paper they are much worse than the Belgians, Croats and Serbs.

Also Bulgaria's and Malta's teams are laughable compared to Scotland and Wales.
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our group even without us is deadly, we dont really make it harder
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John Toshack has been sacked, strange timing
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Bad timing more than strange.

The reasons are adequate however. We have a new president of the FFM and he does not seem to be an utter idiot at first sight.

He asked that: "John Toshack reside in Macedonia (the current process saw Toshack live in Spain and arrive in Macedonia several days before an actual match), have direct insight into the development of Macedonian football, to be involved in the education of coaches and to more closely play a factor in the improvement of conditions in Macedonian football".

Toshack declined these responsibilities so his contract was terminated.

Goce Sedloski will take charge of the Lithuania friendly whilst the FFM look to appoint a manager only 1 month before the qualifiers.
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You guys are tripping balls. You have the most balanced group. Anyone can defeat anyone, and yes including you! Our group with Italy, Denmark, and Czech Republic are much stronger. Yes Croatia and Serbia are formidable sides, but if Italy or Denmark were in your group, they would definately finish first(at least Italy for sure). Don't underestimate yourselves, I saw some talent from Macedonia in these last qualifiers.
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