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Gjoko Hadzievski or ?.............

I think all of you agree that we have a good young generation of players with an good future, according to me we only miss one very importent thing and that is a good tactic leeder who will leed this generation to succes witch mean Q for at least one of the bigg tornys in the next 6 years...

I,m against a foreign coach, we have good coaches inside our borders who should be given the chance...

We should look for an good tactican but also an good psychologist who can pump the players with the necessary self confidence...


Cadomir Janevski is most likely not an realistic option at this moment since Club Brugge is his jobb at this moment.. If you ask me Gjore Jovanovski is an coach who put discipline on first place but he over do it, even of pitch he act like a military leeder and our players dont buy it. I also dout about his skills when it comes to self belive, the self confidence, Jovanovski allrady hade a failur with the NT, also with Samsunspor in Turkey, today he have the best macedonian team so its not so hard for him..

Gjoko Hadzievski have never ever realy failed as coach, when he wos Vardar coach and become shampion several times he hade the best line up in the liga so realistic it wos not so difficult for him, He also hade succes with CSKA Sofia and made Vojvodina to a good team.. Hadzievski did leed the Greek 3 div side Kastoria to DIV2 and the same year he did leed Kastoria an Greek div3 side to the Greek cup Semifinal, he did make the bigg greek clubb work hard in the semfinal , all this succes with an average select of players...

He is the best Macedonian NT coach we hade, Wins over Ireland 3-2 and Iceland 1-0, Djoko wos only two game from the runner up place in the group, two game VS Lithuvania from the end who wos much weaker that time than they are today so that loss in Vilnius are still hard to melt as Lithuania before the game hade no chances to make the runner up place..

Djoko hade an impressive jobb with kastoria, that impress me a lot..

For me Djoko would be an reed hot candidate, i think he deserve the chance to leed this new macedonian generation who objective are better then the one he hade the last time, so it would be very very interesting to se what he could do with this generation...

But i need at least one candidate along with him and after some search i did find, him and hold on your seats cos this is a suprise and an true joker, very interesting joker..


ZORAN STRATEV
for me its very very wired that Stratev, Zoran stratev today have no jobb and he have been out of the coach jobb for some time now..

He made Cemenetarnica to cup shampion with an prity average team, he almost didQ Vardar to CL, 4 years ago, beat barry, knock out CSKA Moscow and almost knock out Sparta Praga, we wos the better team as a matter of fact, we even wos the better team in Praga...

After the CL home game against CSKA he did shine at the press, everybady did give him an applause when he entered the pres center, he did scream we can ! we can ! for how longer will we talk about the oponent and how goo they are ?!? we can play soccer in macedonia its all about belive he told...

He is an great motivator....

One of this two,, or why not bothe of them ?!?!? Hadzievski as main boss and Startev as assist boss and motivator..

Bothe demand discipline but they are gentle as humans, i think stratev would be loved by the players, he have a great presonality..

Team Hadzievski-Stratev= succes

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The domestic coaches may be good, but for some reason, I don't know what to call it, the players don't listen to them as well as they do to some foreigner, in my opinion.
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Ѓоко Хаџиевски? Не би рекол. Се што зборуваш за него е во минато, далечно минато време. Сегашната реалност на Ѓоко Хаџиевски се 3-тите лиги во Грција!

Ако беше добар тренер, сега ќе беше на чело на добар (ако не добар, барем нормален) клуб некаде низ Европа. Точно е дека под негово водство бевме најблиску до бараж во едни квалификации, но тоа беше одамна, а од тогаш Ѓоко скоро и да немаше нормален професионален ангажман...

Стратев - човекот веќе не е ни тренер туку „координатор на младинските категории во Македонија ЃП“... Не знам колку си запознаен, но Стратев е далеку од вистинскиот фудбал и тренерската работа во моментов.

На прв поглед комбинацијата изгледа добро, но кога ќе размислам верувам дека би била неуспешен експеримент и голема грешка, а мислам дека на репрезентацијата и е доста од експерименти...
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Moe mislenje e deka treba da si ostane Katanec i Stanojkovic do krajot na kvalifikaciite. Ne e ubavo da se menuvaat selektori na sred kvalifikacii. Toa e fakt.

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Kirce Katanec e mnogu slab takticar, toa e problem.. Gledaj sega, pokraj ovie takticki fatalni greski pak se nosime so edni od najgolemite fudbalski drzavi, togash vikam jas zamislejte sto ke beshe da imavme dobar takticar, zamislejte sto ke bide so ova ekipa dokolku dobie golem takticar koga mozime da se nosime i so taktici slabost ?!?. Odgovor: ke beshe uste podobra ekipava i golem uspesh za nas, konecen, blizu sme, ni treba jak starteg i ne samo dobar motivator ! vo Hadzievski i Stratev go imame i ednoto i drugoto, mnogu interesantna kombinacija.. !!!..
Ne te negiram Naum, no od pricina sto e sekogas kriticno da se menuva selektor na sred kvalifikacii jas sepak sum Katanec da ostane. Isto taka, treba da znaeme deka fudbalerite steknaa golema doverba vo Katanec i se custvuvaat sigurno i zatoa ako dojde nov selektor taa doverba ke treba da se steknuva odnovo.

A treta pricina e taa sto ne e ubavo nie sekoja godina da menuvame selektori. Kaj nas ne veruvam deka postoi selektor koj ja vodel reprezentacijata na poveke od 15 utakmici i toa ne e ubavo. Od ovie pricini jas sum protiv smena na Katanec sega.

Fudbalot e mnogu poveke od kolku taktika na terenot. A zgora na toa taktikata na Katanec vo prvoto poluvreme bese fenomenalna.

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Nikakvo menuvanje pred krajot na kvalifikacii. A potoa sigurno sam ke si odi. Osven ako ne napravi nekoja glupost, pa da pocnime da gubime po red. Togas i na nego ke mu padni cenata.

Za nego e podobro sega da izbega, ama jas velam neka ostani.
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Ali steta tokash sto fudbalot se igra 90 min p

Vo ret sakash da ostani do krajot..

A dali imash svoj licen favourit za posle kvalifikacite ? glaven i pomoshnik. Ne samo iminja da se napisi sakam i argument, me interesira i bi bilo dobro site da go kazat svoeto..

Favorit? Hmmm....pa jas sakam da sum favorit :smileani:
Vi garantiram plasman na WC, glasajte za mene....:smileani:


Salata na strana. Iskreno za toa nemam mnogu razmisluvano no eve ke dadam moe mislenje.

Mnogu zavisi od toa kako ke zavrsat ovie kvalifikacii. Ako Makedonija uspee da se iskaci na toa odlicno 3 meso i ako igrata se sovpaga so rezultatite, togas bi sakal da ostane Katanec so Stanojkovic.

No za drugi iminja. Jas se slozuvam so tebe deka Hadzievski e nasiot najdobar trener. Bez razlika koi klubovi gi vodel toj imal uspeh. Nemora da znaci deka ako si trener na nekoj golem klub deka i ti si golem trener. Golemite klubovi imaat i golemi igraci i zatoa e polesno da si tamu trener.

E sega vo vremeto koga Hadzievski bese selektor 80% od reprezentacijata bea Bitolcani. Tie igraci na eden ili drug nacin bea mnogu povrzani so Hadzievski i toj im bese eden vid mentor. Sega Hadzievski e podolgo vreme nadvor od Makedonija i ovie igraci ja nemaat taa bliskost so nego kako sto ja imaa: Milosevski, Stavrevski, Hristov, Micevski, Zaharievski, Igor Sasa Nikolovski,Stojkovski,Ciric i drugi.

Znaci na Hadzievski sega ke mu treba i vreme za da se vklopi vo ovoj sostav na Makedonija. Jas veruvam deka toj toa bi go napravil, no sakam samo da kazam deka ke mu treba poveke vreme.

Jovanovski porano se ima pokazano vo reprezentacijata kako ne mnogu uspesen selektor. No togas jas mislam deka ja igravme najdobrata formacija na igra. I sega Jovanovski neguva moderen, brz i ofanziven fudbal, no sega vo Rabotnicki gi ima i igracite za toa. Sepak jas sum i vo reprezentacijata da igrame takov fudbal. No ne sum siguren dali Jovanovski e dovolno kvaliteten za toa. Mozebi se lazam.

Ako se prasuvam jas sega togas bi se odlucil na Hadzievski i Babunski/Stanojkovic kako pomosnici a zosto ne i Stojkovski.

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Ѓоре Јовановски кога беше селектор одреден број репрезентативци го бојкотираа, а еве зашто. Се спроведуваше карантин, а играчите се зафркаваа со мобилни и слично, па така кога Ѓоре ќе им ги ускратеше тие задоволства следеа бојкоти, ако се сеќавате на Игор Митрески, Ѓорѓи Христов и уште некој беше.
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a da se srusi cela baza na ffm i od koren da se izgradi pak? hmm i darko pancev da bide selektor

sto mislite?

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abe kakov Darko, on vo zivot ne vodel ekipa, so nego nema ni Luxembourg da go tepame.

jas sakam Katanec da ostane, so nego bi se napravila edna voigrana ekipa za narednite kvalifikacii.

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I dont want Hadzievski anymore since he is the past and i dont know how well he would relate to some of these new players, my choice would be Cede Janevski but i agree with TMRO that we should hire him for the next qual. campaign and let Katanec finish this one unless he wants to resign himself.
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First I have to say, it's not just up to the Coach.

We have low quality and what do you expect of a poor little balkan country with about 2 Million citizen.

So come on, we could not fire a coach every year because they lost against better and bigger teames. Katanec has principles, he has a huge self-confidence and his own thoughts. He perceives his errors.
And He wouldn qualify with Slovenia for the EC/WC if he wouldn't be that good. So until now he is the best coach we ever had. The first time ever I saw Macedonia as a team!! And not like in the past times there were 3-4 regular players and every time the coaches nominated a completely new team....

If we sometimes have a bit luck and have a easier qualy-group than we can manage it to qualify for a major tournament.

Like Latvia for example (also about 2 Million citizen), they had a easy group with Poland, Sweden, Hungary and San Mario.
4 Wins, a Draw and 3 Loses.
I am pretty sure we would be able to reach that too with any coach.

So if Katanec should be fired than we should look for a coach with a lot of experience and big successes to fulfil our 'high ambitions'
But I think we already found one, and that's Katanec

So come on, what the fuk we need a second or third leuage coach from Greece?! Or a no-name that almost luckily reached the CL...
There is also Janevski, coach of a middle class club in a middle class leuage..?! I didn't even chose them as a second coach

And what about this dumbass Pancev, he criticize everyone, even Katanec and tell storys in interviews how he would play. So if he thinks he is that good, why don't he make a fukin coaching certificate and show us what he can...

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And what about this dumbass Pancev, he criticize everyone, even Katanec and tell storys in interviews how he would play. So if he thinks he is that good, why don't he make a fukin coaching certificate and show us what he can...
He should have first coached that Lokomotiv 3rd division team he was running a few years back to gain some experience but putting him as coach with no experience could be a disaster like Savicevic was for SCG.
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a da se srusi cela baza na ffm i od koren da se izgradi pak? hmm i darko pancev da bide selektor

sto mislite?
a mozda ke se zrtvuvaat igracite za darko uste poveke za pancev zaso ke si recat ovoj bil reprezentativec za ovaa drzava i znae kako ni e , ne mislis?

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abe kakov Darko, on vo zivot ne vodel ekipa, so nego nema ni Luxembourg da go tepame.

jas sakam Katanec da ostane, so nego bi se napravila edna voigrana ekipa za narednite kvalifikacii.

ako ne, Kiril za selektor i jas negov pomosnik, Naum pretsedatel na FFM, Trendo i Makedonec lovci na talenti od Canada, MacoBoy U-19 reprezentavec
vidi i ja sum za srecko da ostane ali ako zapnat da go izbrkaat od funkcija zboram za pancev da dojde

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u kanada nema telenti za fudbal a i da ima se voglavnom prodadeni dusi i bi igrale za kanada

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The only replacement is Gjoko or Gjore Jovanovski. Otherwise, a coach who has had experience with the youth. The other is to break tradition and appoint Sedlo and Sakiri has joint coaches. They have close links to the players and both are respected.

Of Pancev is but in the team, we want be playing the attacking football that Germany were playing with Klinsmann. Pancev has spoken negatively about players and what this will result is in boycotts from Pandev and everyone else. Firstly he doesn't have the qualifications secondly he has issues with FFM, and he will never be coach. It is common knowledge that strikers are bad coaches in general, considering how they viewed the game when they were players.


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Trendo, daj otvori eden topic za NHL, posebno Jovanovski...
vo drugi forumi?

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aj u mixed sports

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Javi se juzna,sever i zapad neka ne cujat kolku sme,crveno-zolta,toa e boja za koja zivot davame

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Well Djoko is not that old after, i think he have not hit the 50 years barricade yet, thats a young age for an coach..

I think Gjoke like every Macedonian soccer interested human in macedonia follow the NT very close when they play, by that Djoko know everything about the players of today and i think he know that thety are even more telented than the genaretaion he hade before,

Macedonia-Ireland 3-2
Macedonia -Island 1-0
Island-Macedonia 1-1
Macedonia-Bulgarija 1-0
Macedonia-Jamica 2-1
Hungary-Macedonia 0-0
USA-Macaedonia 0-0
Lichstenstain-Macedonia 1-11
Macedonia-Malta 4-0
Macedonia-Croatia 1-1
Romania-Macedonia 4-2
Croatia-Macedonia 3-2
Malta-Macedonia 1-2
Macedonia-Lichstanstain 3-0
Macedonia-South Korea 2-2

some of his succes, he wos trener for 3 years, some of this results are realy impressive that no one can deny an today he could work with even better players..

But Kirce did mention an very good thing, as exempel is much more difficult and it take much more from an coach to make succes with a DIV3 side and make the semifinal of greek cup then to leed Olympiakos to liga gold when you have all the needed players for that...

Djokos succes with NT,Greek Div3 teams, Vojvodina,CSKA Sofia and Vardar speak for it self..

Djoko did finaly sign a contract with an African team that would have filled his pocket for the first team, and he deserved it after so much hard work but the Egypet team Masry did set him up, he did not gett as much as he wos promised and he took his stuff and did leave immediately.

Anyway all this listen to Djoko so that wos not a problem, problem with Gjore wos that he defenitive did over do it, cell mobiles are not forbidden with Katanec exampel, Gjore dod over do it and he asked for it if you aske me... Of course you should ask for decepline but that wos more than decipline, more like military method.. So what if the players use the mobile on spare time at the evening ?!?!?!



naum batka eve ti link zs tema za hokej

https://www.xtratime.org/forum/showth...55#post5145155

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