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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old June 21st, 2005, 16:37 Thread Starter
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Scandals in Macedonian Sports

БЕКОТ РАЗМИСЛУВА ДА ГО СОБЛЕЧЕ НАЦИОНАЛНИОТ ДРЕС
Лазаров обвинет од Начевски дека го продал мечот!
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На полувремето на мечот во Унгарија, во соблекувалната дојде Марјан Начевски и пред сите ракометари ми се обрати со зборовите: срам да ти е, си го продал мечот. Тука пукна се. Го избркав, но не можевме повеќе да се сконцентрираме на играта. Наместо да се вратиме во игра, уште повеќе паднавме и катастрофално загубивме - вели Лазаров.
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Јас сум финансиски добро обезбеден. За репрезентацијата никогаш не сум барал пари и секогаш сум се залагал за решение кога имало проблеми со доцнење на исплатите на дневници, патни трошоци, премии. Ги убедувам сите дека треба самите да направиме атмосфера, - вели Лазаров.
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Се чувствувам многу депримиран, потиштен и разочаран. Ми треба време пред да донесам конечна одлука - вели Лазаров. - И повреден дадов се од себе, слично како и на многу други средби на кои што сум кршел рака, сум се повредувал и секогаш се за репрезентацијата. Најмалку заслужив некој со мобилен телефон да ми кажува како добивам пораки од Австралија дека сум го продал мечот. Тоа можеше мене да ми го каже, но не пред другите соиграчи само за да ја влоши атмосферата.
CCCCCCC REZIL!!! look at this yet another scandal in Macedonia i think we have a huge problem in our sports as a whole this is really becoming a problem not just in football, it seems to me that every time we lose and now even when we win aka Pobeda in Smederevo there seems to be scandals and accusations of players or owners selling games, but this one is very big because one player is accusing another of it on the same team by Nacevski during halftime of the important qualifer game against Hungary telling Lazarov one of our best players that he should be ashamed of himself for selling the game i dont know what to say anymore i hope its not true but in Macedonia you never know and what has to be done??? do we have to shut down the kladilnici so they cant bet anymore or what??? but if you ask me this is really becoming a problem and something needs to be done soon, otherwise the sports in our country will have no credibility and we should not even watch them!
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post #2 of 20 (permalink) Old June 21st, 2005, 16:39
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post #3 of 20 (permalink) Old June 21st, 2005, 16:49 Thread Starter
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A za so Lemgo imase mnogu spekulacii deka i taa utakmica bese namestena ama koj znaj se e mozno.
Da taja utaknica sto posto bese namestena oti jas ne bev tamu togas ama so site drugari i bracedi so imav zborano mi kazvat deka garant bila namestena, isto taka se spekulirase i za revansot vo finaleto na challenge kupot so Skjern koga doma tepavme i posle nadvor rastur igubivme toa nemozi da se zaboravi deka togasnite gazdi na Pelister mu platitle pat i sve na nivnite famili da odat vo Danska za toj natprevar (najznacajniot natprevar vo istorijata na Pelister) a navivackata grupa Ckembari koj trebase da go bodri Pelister i da se donesi peharot vo Bitola pred nekolku dena od natprevarot dozna deka nema da dobiat bileti i da odat na taja utaknica... a zosto taka??? epa sto posto bidejki utaknicata bese prodaena i upravata pederska ne sakase da ima revolt, i garant ne bese za parite posto nivnite rodnini gi pratija tamu a ostaj to za utaknicata so Fredriksberg imase gostvanje vo Danska.To e to brat so da prajme koga samo parite za nasite gazdi vo sportot se vazni i sve ke prodat za tie pari a neznam i so nie cudno za klubojte da mestat koga Hari pocna da prodava utaknici i na reprezentacijata

Samo procitajgo ova i sve ke ti bide jasno :thmbdown:
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This is just bullshit! I don't belive in this for one SEC! we have a good male Handball NT and we can Q both for EC and WC but we are not among the 5 best nations and we had not luck with the drow(like the women who playd S&M) for the play of and we gott the olympic bronze team hungary so what did they ecpect ? that zivkovic can make miracle? ma ajde! we are good but we are not able to beat teams like Hyngary,Spain,Croatia and Germany yet and Zivkovic "Tuta" need to know the name o the players first and then he can make something..... handball is a team sport and he can not do anything in 2-3 weeks and doas who belived in that don't know a jack shit about handball.....

Yes Lazarov had two very bad games and it was strange to see the top goal scorer in CL and the best Left 9-metre player in the would have bad games like that, 4 goals in the first game and 0 in the other game......

BUT he playd with a small injury too so what can he do? he is a bigg patriot and playd even with a injury and if it was not for macedonia he wpuld have not play....


and that some one say that Lazarov gott payd from hangary to play bad in both games is just absurd cuz Lazarov is a BIGG Macedonian so shut up dnevnik idiots and go home!!!!!!!!!!

what the hell did Nacevski do in the dressing room? he is crazy.....

Also Lazarov have a lot of money so it's no problem for him..... ther is a huge defferance from the handball and soccer in macedonia! Handball is clean sport in our nation with out politics or corruption
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Go imam procitano toa Ambis, i ako vistina e toa eka dvete utakmici bea namesteni togas sram da mu e na site zadolzeni za toa. Takva sansa da se pobedi vo Evropa ne idi sekoj den zatoa ko ke se ima sansa mora da se pobedi, ama nasiot mentalitet e "Se si ima svoja cena", nema vrska dali so toa ke se rusi gordosta na cela nacija. Kako mozam jas da bidam gord deka sum makedonec kga sve sto imame sve prodavame. Ja prodadovme drzavata, znameto, jazikot, pa potao fudbalski natprevari kako so Andorra, pa isto i rakometni natrevari i listot si prodolzuva.

Mentaliteton na nasite sportisti i na tie vo upravite vo sportskite organizacii mu e pogresen. Tie site sakaat pari an nikoj ne mu e gajle za navivacite ili za nekoi cesni luge sto se ke napravat da vidat klubot ili sportot da prosperira. Jas izgubiv sekakva nades i ne se nadevam na nisto poveke.

Kako mozi eden klub od kalibarot na Pelister od vtoriot grad po golemina vo Makedonija da odpadni od prvata liga? Toa ne e za veruvanje. A zosto odpadnaa? Za nekoj da se zbogati, zatoa sto nekoj e zainteresiran da napravi pari i da si ja obezbedi familijata a ne mu e gajle kako se cuvstuvaat onie navivaci sto sekoj den go pomnuvaat vo misla kako da go podobrat klubot kako da mu pomozat na klubot i nemozat da cekaat duri do sledniot natprevar. A sto ostana za tie cesnite sto vlozuvaat pari vo klubot ama namesto klubot da beneficira od tie pari, beneficiraat nekoj lazaci.

E zatoa sega Pelister e vo Vtora liga, zatoa sto nikoj ne saka da investira vo klubot poveke bidejki parite ne odat vo klubot tuku v cepovite na nekoi sto se mislat popametni od site drugi na nekoi sto nemaat nikakva gordost ili postovanje za drugi.

Kako moze da se namesti utakmica koja se igraa pod znameto na edna drzava i utakmica sto gi evektira zivotite na iljadnici luge? E i toa e mozno vo nasata mala no mnogu koruptirana drzava!
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Go imam procitano toa Ambis, i ako vistina e toa eka dvete utakmici bea namesteni togas sram da mu !
ne e mestena! kakvo mestenje bre!
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Nisto ne me iznenaduva poveke ama jas zborvav za utakmicite so Lemgo i Skejrn, ne za taa so Ungarija, ungarcite bea presilni za nas!
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ne e mestena! kakvo mestenje bre!
Togas kazimi ti mene zosto pred dve godini vo prosliot baraz gi tepavme Ungarija vo Bitola i zamalce i nadvor ke gi minevme, a sega ne rasturija so 15 razlika??? little bit strange isnt it??? Ungarija navistina se pojjaki od nas no ne za tolku, jas se mislam deka mora da ima nesto vo ova nemozi samo taka za dzabe da izbuvni Nacevski vo soblekuvalna za vreme na poluvreme... therehas to be something to it, vo sport ima pravilo deka so svoj igrac ne smees ic da zboras za mestenje utaknici i vakvi raboti a kamoli javno vaka da mu se sprotistavis na covek
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Ungarija, ungarcite bea presilni za nas!
Ungarija objektivno se svetlini pred nas i se vo samiot svetski vrv i mozat da ne pobeda i so davajca lazarov na teren pa zato me cudat vakvi izjavi sto ne se podtrbni i nemat nikakva logika
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Togas kazimi ti mene zosto pred dve godini vo prosliot baraz gi tepavme Ungarija vo Bitola i zamalce i nadvor ke gi minevme, a sega ne rasturija so 15 razlika??? little bit srange isnt it??? Ungarija navistina se pojjaki od nas no ne za tolku, jas se mislam deka mora da ima nesto vo ova nemozi samo taka za dzabe da izbuvni Nacevski vo soblekuvalna za vreme na poluvreme...
ima na makedonski sport denes! odgovorot go imash na ova strana
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citaj od pocetok do kraj pa ke razberish zasto izgubivme i zasto cekori nazat pravime! procitaj sve pa vratishe posle so izjava !
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Abe nema sto da citam sve e jasno pojjaki bea od nas i to e to ama vakvo sranje vo soblekuvalna da se sluci e rezil, but the big picture is what should we do in all Macedonian sports to solve this problem because it wasnt just this match its been going on for a while now games are being fixed and no one does anything about it i havent even seen anyone arrested or charged at least when it happen in Germany a few months back people got arrested and there was an investigation.. but in Macedonia everybody closes there eyes and could careless sometimes i think only the few people here on this forum are actually interested in our prva liga and sports in general most people i talk to over there could give a rats ass about any of this they just laugh and make jokes about it.
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What's exactly wrong with Smederevo - Pobeda match ????????
There are rumors that Pobeda and Smederevo fixed the match as hours before the match was suppose to start the odds for Pobeda winning the match dropped from 6.00 to 1.80 and now there is a theory that Sartid had a deal that they would let Pobeda win if they let them win in Prilep 1-0 so that they can play extratime and then the better team can win the match. Now all these are just rumors and people writing on forums but it seems to be real since some people ahve said that the owner of Pobeda who is basically Hari of FFM won a ton of money over the weekend which wouldnt surprise me since he was the one that fixed the Pobeda-Puynik game last year and many bet places went bankrupt because of that game.Who knows how true all this is but lets see what happens in the rematch.
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I don't belive that the game between Pobeda and Smederevo is 'namestena'
I mean....Fifa or Uefa would know about this, they have 'spys' everywhere and if Smederevo will be in 2nd leg they will earn more money, because of the TV rights (The pay-tv-channel 'Premiere' pays for the Intertoto cup, and HSV is a german Team )So they could earn more money, then to make 'prodadeno'.

You understand what I want to say?
Anyway we have a better Team then Smederevo....so that are just Roumers....when you aks a Majmun, why Pobeda lost, he always say: Bese Namestena
And when they won, every Majmun say, Ne bese namestena
The same like Smederevo.....
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You understand what I want to say?
Anyway we have a better Team then Smederevo....so that are just Roumers....when you aks a Majmun, why Pobeda lost, he always say: Bese Namestena
And when they won, every Majmun say, Ne bese namestena
The same like Smederevo.....
You have a good point there plus Smederevo signed some new players to get stronger for this match if they were to fix the game then why would they do that? http://www.uefa.com/competitions/Int...Id=310390.html
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Da taja utaknica sto posto bese namestena oti jas ne bev tamu togas ama so site drugari i bracedi so imav zborano mi kazvat deka garant bila namestena, isto taka se spekulirase i za revansot vo finaleto na challenge kupot so Skjern koga doma tepavme i posle nadvor rastur igubivme toa nemozi da se zaboravi deka togasnite gazdi na Pelister mu platitle pat i sve na nivnite famili da odat vo Danska za toj natprevar (najznacajniot natprevar vo istorijata na Pelister) a navivackata grupa Ckembari koj trebase da go bodri Pelister i da se donesi peharot vo Bitola pred nekolku dena od natprevarot dozna deka nema da dobiat bileti i da odat na taja utaknica... a zosto taka??? epa sto posto bidejki utaknicata bese prodaena i upravata pederska ne sakase da ima revolt, i garant ne bese za parite posto nivnite rodnini gi pratija tamu a ostaj to za utaknicata so Fredriksberg imase gostvanje vo Danska.To e to brat so da prajme koga samo parite za nasite gazdi vo sportot se vazni i sve ke prodat za tie pari a neznam i so nie cudno za klubojte da mestat koga Hari pocna da prodava utaknici i na reprezentacijata

Samo procitajgo ova i sve ke ti bide jasno :thmbdown:
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Ambis nemoj da mislis deka sum protiv tebe, naprotiv. Ama ke moram da te demantiram vo ova.

Gi gledav dvete utakmici vo Danska koga igrase Pelister i bev eden od najglasnite navivaci na dvete :smileani:

Na prvata utakmica na polufinaleto protiv Frederiksberg imase dojdeno mnogu Ckembari od Bitola i napravivme super atmosfera. No problemot nastana pred utakmicata koga Ckembarite pocnaa da tepaat nevini danci koi pominuvaa pokraj salata. Go iskrsija avtobusot koj gi vozese od aerodrom do salata koga razbraa deka soferot e siptar (moram da priznam deka i jas pomognav za ova). Potoa opljackaa nekolku benzinski pumpi vo Danska i mnogu od niv se potrudija da dobijat aziv vo DK.
Od koga se slucija tie nastani posle utakmicata policijata nadvor ne cekase vo polna borbena gotovnost.

Koga stana jasno deka Pelister ke igra finale protiv Skjern, danicite uste pred prvata utakmica da se odigra dadoa soopstenie deka nema da se dozvoli vlez na navivaci od Pelister na finaleto. Na nikoi ne im bese dadena viza i toa bese naredba od danskite vlasti.
Nie od tuka organiziravme eden avtobus so navivaci od Danska i vo Skjern bevme docekani od 150 vooruzeni policajci koi bukvalno ne ostavaa da mrdnime. Imase po dvajca policajci na sekoj makedonec. Jas koga sakav da odam vo WC na poluvremeto me pratea dvajca dzandari do vratata. Uste da mi go istresea posle mocanjetoi ke si ja zavrsea rabotata....

Znaci nema nikakva vrska deka upravata na Pelister ja prodala utakmicata i zatoa ne gi pustila da dojdat vo Danska Ckembarite. Tie ednostavno ne bea pusteni od Danskite vlasti.

Se nadevam deka ja razjasnivme problematikata so toa gostuvanje.
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Ova stvarno ne go znaev dosega fala so mi raskaza ama sepak upravata bea pederi i imaja lapnato pari od ova utaknica, samo ko ke se setam za rezultatot na taja utaknica :frustrat: :frustrat: :frustrat:
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Ova stvarno ne go znaev dosega fala so mi raskaza ama sepak upravata bea pederi i imaja lapnato pari od ova utaknica, samo ko ke se setam za rezultatot na taja utaknica :frustrat: :frustrat: :frustrat:
Za rezultatot i za somnezot deka bese namestena nemozam da te demantiram. Bese zalno. Site igraci na Pelister placea posle utakmica. Najmnogu mi bese zal za Makalovski. Deteto navistina dade se od sebe i na kraj ne pobedija. Toj najmnogu placese....
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Pa koj znaj, za utakmicata da bide namestena dosta e samo nekolku igraci da ne igraa do svoite moznosti!
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if the game was arranged then the players are guilty too and not lazarov, this is ridiculous. the coach is not on the ground to play ! who is he ? the striker that intentionnally misses the target ? bezveza. this nacevski was probably too frustrated and completely freaked out. he's a professionbal so he should be able to handle pressure and wet the shirt til the end of the game. his attitude is shameful because it shows he resigned before the end. furthermore, what kind of effect should that produce on his mates ? stress, lack of concentration, treason , and so on. this is the most stupid thing to do and to say. he should be fined for that.
anyway, when something doesn't happen as we want, we always accuse corruption ! let's face reazlity and behave as professional for once. we have talent but we **** things up because of our mentality. we should be more humble, talk less and act !
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The game against Skjern was fixed and sold by the Pelister uprava and can nobody tell me any different, as far as our football NT and the games against Andorra well my dad was a friend of Kanatlarovski and played with him in Bitola back when he was young and he has told me that he is 100% sure that Dragan is an honest person and would never fix a game or take dirty money. If you really think about it i think Tome is right when he says we have to face reality and stop blaming every loss on corruption or make it look as if it was fixed this young team we have right now is mentaly unstable to hold up and play 90min like the teams we used to have back in the late 90's or even a few years back.It is what it is and maybe with experience all this will change but right now we saw what our NT is all about in Teplice.
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