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Nostalgia Macedonia-England 2003!

I faind a very good English fans site made for the huge english NT fan gruop.... Nice pictures from macedonia they have and also just look how good organize they are! AMAZING! also they still have some souvenirs from the game that people still can buy

http://www.365englandfans.com/



http://www.365sportstore.com/acatalog/Match_Badges.html


Picture from Macedonia! from the stadium and from Skopje and Ohrid where England fans where! Ohrid! they know ther stuff

here are all the pictures
http://www.365englandfans.com/gallery/skopje.htm

Mark Hetherington




the anglishman is in a Skopje bar

Graham Moore



Neil Young





Al Lee, Lake Ohrid! English fans in Ohrid










Al Lee, in Skopje






David Hendy



Kelvin Pressman, Wapping




Nic Banner






Sally Shefford, Bournemouth WHUFC




Nick, Rochdale



Nick





Rob Sudale






http://www.365englandfans.com/skopje.htm
Information for english fans before the trip!

For a game now not dissimilar to matches before the formation of the England Members Club (EMC) in 1990 when tickets and travel information was not generally available to England Supporters, we have been sourcing information from Macedonians to bring you as up to date information as possible. This page will therefore continually be updated as and when we receive information concerning the match and your time in Skopje. All Updates unless otherwise stated are courtesy of local Macedonians ----

Last Update of this page 3 September 2003.

Here's a typical quote from a Macedonian "We want to welcome you in our Country and have fun but your federation play with you for this game. They are really stupid! they had like 4000 tickets and they didnt give them to you but to football youth clubs in macedonia!"

For Those travelling to Skopje that want to travel again

Ticket Information





Skopje, Macedonia

A Brief Insight - During its rather chequered history Macedonia has been occupied by the Greeks, Romans, Bulgarians, Byzantines, Serbs and the Ottoman Turks. During the Second World War, Macedonia was occupied by Bulgaria, under German orders, before becoming one of six republics in 1945 when Yugoslavia gained its independence and Tito assumed power, with a Soviet-style constitution. Following the fall of the Berlin Wall and collapse of communism in Yugoslavia, in September 1991 Macedonians voted for sovereignty and independence in a referendum.

Greece objected to Macedonia's choice of name, identical to its own northern province, its flag - the emblem of Alexander the Great's father, and Macedonian hero, Phillip of Macedon, so a new national flag (above) replaced the one to which Greece had objected. Macedonia was recognized by the EU and by 1995 relations with Greece were restored.

In 2001 Macedonia ratified a border treaty with Serbia, but clashes with ethnic Albanian guerrillas, lead to NATO giving permission for Yugoslav soldiers to move into a buffer zone on the Yugoslav-Kosovo border in an attempt to cut-off the ethnic Albanian guerillas supply and attack route into Macedonia which brought about a ceasefire.

As for Skopje, population 1.2 million, an earthquake in 1963 killed more than 1,000 people, and it was much of the aid that came then from the rest of Yugoslavia that has given rise to the modern urban landscape of today. Seemingly the planners got carried away as there are many oversized, irrelevant structures that were built which are now crumbling because of lack of maintenance.

Most of central Skopje is a pedestrian zone, with the 15th-century Turkish stone bridge over the Vardar River linking the old and new parts of the City.

Entry Requirements - British citizens do not require an entry visa but will need to fill in an information form obtained at passport control and declare ALL foreign currency. The exit section of the form should be retained to be handed in at the end of your stay.

On arrival Macedonia, be prepared for long queues at passport control at either the airports or the border crossings on main roads. Upon arrival, at your Hotel make sure your host contacts the authorities on your behalf and registers your stay.

Getting There and Around - Not many airlines fly to Skopje and it ain't that cheap. Flight time from London to Skopje is approximately 3 hours, so what are the other options ?

If you are put off by return airfares of no lower than £267 Thursday 4 to Monday 8 September, a public holiday in Macedonia, or £340 Friday 5 - Sunday 7 September, there is a cheaper flight through Expedia with Malev (Hungarian Airlines) for £226 (4-8 Sept.) but it arives after midnight.

Alternatives include flying to Thessalonika (£191 return on all days including Friday-Sunday) with an onward journey by Express bus (currently rail services seem only to run via Bulgaria and Yugoslavia, taking 33 hours), or fly to Tirana (£256) in Albania and taking the express bus via Lake Ohrid. (There's more on this below)

The international bus station in Skopje has buses to/from Sofia, Thessalonkia (using the new border crossing at Medzitlija, near Bitola), Tirana and Belgrade daily, BUT to and from Croatia, you must travel through Hungary and Belgrade due to ongoing problems in Kosovo.

If you fly to Albania, you can travel between Tirana and Skopje by bus, or to as far as the border, walk across into Macedonia at Sveti Naum near Ohrid and take a bus for the last 115 miles to Skopje.

Once over the border in Macedonia, we are told that the train service is "efficient at times, but more often unreliable". Use the Die Bahn link for journey times and Schedules, but other than flying to Thessalonkia or Tirana, and coming to Macedonia by bus, its probably not worth the hassle of trying to save a few quid by making a long onward journey by train from elsewhere, especially via Yugoslavia which is unavoidable from the north, as is the prospect of coming up against corrupt yugoslav guards and "Policemen" real or otherwise, who may ask for various sums of money before your paperwork is deemed to be in order.

These sites offer a wide range of flights, with Expedia (Austrian, Hungarian and Swiss Air) and TravelSelect (JAT via Belgrade) being the cheapest for Skopje, depending upon your day of departure and duration of stay :-



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Skopje International Airport is 15 miles from the city. We are told there is NO Airport departuire tax. Airport facilities include duty-free shop, bar and restaurant, bank/bureau de change (0500-2230), baggage facilities and Post Office. For more information Go To Skopje Airport

Taxi
Taxi service Phone
Bel Mercedes 9183
Kommak Komerc 9193
Kompanija S 9190
Pulsar 9197
Pulstar 9177
Staro Vodno 9188
Mercedes D 9170
Puls Komerc 9173
Plava Laguna 9192
Pinki 9181
Vodno 9191
Vardar 9195
Teniks 9194
Taho 9198
Kale 9189
Express 9196
Taxis, and supposedly buses though we can find no information about them, are available to the city centre. Journey time by Taxi is 25-30 minutes.

The taxi service has been regulated by the City to provide fair service and relatively equal fares. However, be extra careful when hailing a taxi - there are many "taxis" that will overcharge by a lot. You are advised to always phone for taxi, especially if you are in the Skopje airport or at the international bus station. All taxis must charge you no more than 15 denars per km with 50 denars minimum fare.

At the Airport, look for a registered taxi or ask at the airport information desk for assistance. Update - Locals advise that one of the most relable and safe Taxi companies is Kommak Komerc - dial 9193.

Make sure the driver turns the meter on. Typical fare from the airport to the City centre is between 600 and 1000 denars. The table, right, shows the phone numbers of some popular taxi firms in Skopje. From mobile phones dial +389 2 before the taxi number (e.g. for Bel Mercedes dial +38929183).

* Tip - All Legal Taxi firms, have their 4 digit phone number on a sign on top of the taxi, plus to avoid the excuse of being ripped off by any Taxi driver who couldn't understand your directions, if your Hotel has a website, print the directions or address from the Macedonian version so the driver will see it in the cyrillic alphabet.*

In general, Skopje public transport is not that good. The ageing buses and trams are regularly overcrowded and there are still fuel shortages. Let’s hope they’ve enough for the plane home !. Skopje has two bus networks, both serving the City and the surrounding villages and the best way to recognise them is by their colour the red buses are part of the state-owned "JSP" and all other buses are privately owned. Most of the bus lines are frequent, but not always run as scheduled. Bus fares are based on a zone system for each bus network. The inner City is zone 1 with ticket price 20 denars in the JSP buses and 15 denars in the private buses.

Update For those flying To Sofia - Getting To Skopje by train

Fri 5/9/03 Dep Sofia 06.43 - Arr Nis 10.04 - Dep Nis 11.40 - Arr Skopje 16.14

Fri 5/9/03 Dep Sofia 23.00 - Arr Thessalonika 06.53 (Sat 6/9/03) - Dep Thessalonika 08.04 - Arr Skopje 11.47

Fri 5/9/03 Dep Sofia 20.40 - Arr Nis 23.55 - Dep Nis 04.20 (Sat 6/9/03) - Arr Skopje 09.00

Getting Back to Sofia by train

Sat 6/9/03 Dep Skopje 21.55 - Arr Nis 02.43 - Dep Nis 04.35 - Arr Sofia 11.02

Sun 7/9/03 Dep Skopje 12.08 - Arr Nis 16.33 (Bet its late !) - Dep Nis 16.50 - Arr Sofia 22.28

Sun 7/9/03 Dep Skopje 16.45 - Arr Thessalonika 22.04 - Dep Thessalonika 23.28 - Arr Skopje 07.33 (Mon 8/9/03)

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For those flying to Thessalonika - Getting To Skopje by train

Fri 5/9/03 Dep Thessalonika 18.00 - Arr Skopje 21.30

Sat 6/9/03 Dep Thessalonika 08.04 - Arr Skopje 11.47

Getting Back to Thessalonika by train

Sun 7/9/03 Dep Skopje 03.25 - Arr Thessalonika 09.04; Dep Skopje 16.45 - Arr Thessalonika 22.04

These are the only trains running, information courtesy of DieBahn. We are sorry but we can find no definite information on travel by Express Bus, other than they do run between Sofia and Skopje and Thessalonika and Skopje. Best advice is to enquire on arrival at the airport or at another Tourist Information Office, downtown.

Please post on the Messageboard,(Questions & Answers) any questions/tips concerning Macedonia or other fixtures/venues rather than keep sending them to us by E Mail. We or other fans can then answer, and share the information with others at the same time.

Car Hire - If you are determined, its expensive and payment must be made in "hard currency". Special insurance is required for travel to certain parts of the country. An International driving licence required. Expect to cope with traffic congestion, unreadable Cyrillic road signs and a shortage of secure parking is a big problem in Skopje with thefts from Cars being common. You'll find a few local agencies operating in Skopje Airport.

Time – Two hours ahead of the UK.

Changing Money - Macedonian dinar (Den) = 100 deni. Notes are in denominations of Den5000, 1000, 500, 100, 50 and 10. Coins are in denominations of Den5, 2 and 1, and 50 deni.

£I buys approximately 88 MCD.

For today's rate use the Currency Converter

All major currencies may be exchanged, but Euros are easiest to exchange. Credit cards are now widely accepted: Diners, AMEX, Visa, Master Card and EuroCard can be used for payment in major hotels and many of the shops and restaurants in the capital. Outside of Skopje there is very limited acceptance.

There are no restrictions on the import and export of local or foreign currency. Currency can be exchanged without limitation at banks, hotels and licensed money-changers, although the cashing of travellers' cheques tends to be restricted to banks. To reduce additional exchange rate charges, you should take cheques in US Dollars or Euros.

Two recommended banks for changing money are Komercijalna banka and Stopanska Banka

Banking hours are Monday – Friday 0730-1930 and Saturday 0800-1300. There are a few ATM's in and close to the Shopping Centre's the locations of which are in the Shopping scetion below.

Accommodation - Not very popular is Skopje, and there really is only the one good site we've found for accommodation !. Click Here for more information. Some accommodation is bookable online but by the looks of it some of the overpriced tour operators have already taken a sizeable chunk, as no availibility at some places seems quite common.

There are also Serviced Apartments on the 3rd and 4th floor of the TCC Plaza building. Supposedly very good and cheap. Check out their website at www.tccplaza.com .

The Youth Hostel 'Ferijalen Dom' also near the City centre offers single and double bedrooms. Each room is equipped with bathroom and shower, some may also have TV. Prices vary from 935 denars per bed per night in a double bedroom for ISEC holders, 1280 denars per bed per night in a single bedroom (1280 and 1590 denars for non ISEC holders). All we have is a phone number +389 2 114849.

Update Other sites recommended by Macedonians include Click International and Hotel-Shopper


Tourist Information – Unfortunately there is no Macedonia Tourist Office in the UK, but some information can be obtained from the Airport on arrival, and we are told at the Bus and Train station. Make sure you've got some phrases handy.

Online Map of Skopje - Click Here for an online map of Skopje. The City Stadium is No.36.

Language – Macedonian (Slavic) is the main language. It is written using the Cyrillic alphabet. The Albanian minority has been campaigning for some time to have Albanian recognised as a second official language.


Read and print off some useful phonetic Macedonian phrases, along with the phrases below, courtesy of the British Council:-

Dobro utro Good morning
Dobar den Good afternoon
Dobrovecher Good evening
Dobra nok Good night
Zdravo Hello
Priyatno Goodbye; bon appetit!
Ve molam Please
Blagodaram Thank you
Nazdravye! Cheers!
Eating
Shopska i skopsko Shopska (fresh salad with grated cheese)and Skopsko(beer)
Vino Wine
Pivo Beer
Mineralna voda Mineral water
Sok Juice
Sok od portokal ve molam An orange juice please
Meso Meat
Riba Fish
Zelencuk Vegetables

Food & Drink, Bars & Nightlife - There are numerous restaurants, cafe's and bars, but some do add a surcharge of up to 20% for live music. Tipping is not expected, but some loose change is usually left to reflect the quality of service. Breakfast is (dorucek), lunch (rucek) and dinner (vecera).

There's a wide variety of cuisine, but do not expect quick service unless you are in Burger King, or MacDonald’s that has two branches in the city. The locals rave on about the Macedonian "MacDonald's" called "Fast Food 7". Its in front of the Greek Embassy.

There's also a local chain called "Zito Luks" everywhere. The name means "baked goods" and it offers offers a variety of cookies, croissants, little pizzas, donuts and other baked goods, as well as traditional Macedonian baked goods like burek, gevrek, banichka, and many different kinds of bread.

The "Kibo" Restaurant, Business Center "Paloma Bjanka", first floor, is popular with the locals for western and local food. A meal unlikely to set you back more than £7 including Macedonian Red Wine which is supposedly very good.

Also in the centre is an Indian restaurant called "Bombaii" and an Italian one "Da Gino".

Pubs, difficult to recommend any as all the names, like the restaurants are written in cyrillic, but there is no surprisingly another of those ubiquitous Irish Pub's, this one is called St. Patrick's, Update the Irish Bar is in the GTC City Trade Centre at the very end of this shopping centre if you are entering from the front.

"The Element" seems to be the main nightclub, it's in the basement of the TCC Plaza building, Vasil Glavinov 12. Also "Bizar" at Blvd. Partizanski Odredi. More infofrom Skoje2nite though the site seems to be in Macedonian only.

Stadium - The U21's will play at the Sloga Jugomagnat, Stadium, Skopje kick off time is 17.00 hours Macedonian time. Update To see a picture of the Stadium, click here The following is taken from the club site with a few changes to make the English more easily understanable.

Stadium Cair - Getting There: By car: (Unlikely unless your initals are MH and you live in Derby) The stadium is situated in Cair, about 4 km. from the centre. There is no parking other than for season ticket holders. You can park around the stadium using the main street which passes the Bit Pazar (old bazar) and entering one of the oldest part in the city.

Streets in the city are not well marked, so you can ask the people how to find the right way. Most of the people (especially the younger) speak English. Always ask the way to Stadium Cair.

By taxi: This is the best solution for everyone. The taxi is very cheap. Update Vitomir says definitely go by taxi as they will take you direct to the stadium, and after the match too because there are some dangerous streets about 1 km that you would need to walk along where drug delaing and croime is frequent.

The maximum price you can pay for travel from the hotel to the stadium is 5-10 DM (88 DM = £1 approx). depending where the hotel is. Taxi is the most popular and used transport in town. Most of the drivers know English.

By bus: Buses 9, 19, 37, 57, run from the city centre to Stadium Cair, every 5 minutes. The distance is 4 km. from the centre. The price for bus tickets is 15 Denars (1 DM = 31 denars), and you can by in the bus.

Ask where the bus station is because the different buses start from different place. No. 37 and 57 pass through the centre, and 9 and 19 near old railway station.

Update - Warning: The area in which the Cair Stadium is situated is predominantly muslim, and home to many of Albanian and Turkish origin. It was the scene of much fighting previously in clashes with Russian fans. Although many things will give us away as being English the advice of the locals (Macedonia is 70% orthadox christian) is not to shout any England songs or particularly wave any flag until you can see the Police. See Do's and Don'ts for more information.

The Seniors play at the City Stadium which has a capacity of some 30,000. For a picture click here . For further information on the Macedonia team check out Soccer Macedonia (information courtesy of worldstadiums.com)

Ticket Information - Tickets go on sale on Sunday 31 August at 9.00am Skopje time, precise location unknown. Maximum of 2 per person, no telephone or internet sales. Prices, South Stand Tribune (main stand) 1000 Denar (£12), East and West Stands (behind goals) 600 Denar (£7). (This conflicts with the report of the Football Supporters Association that said the ends behind both goals would be closed) * Locals advise avoiding the West stand where the Macedonian hooligan firms go*. All our tickets (north stand) have been distributed to local schools. Local Radio and television report that "for security reasons, no one other than Macedonian ID citizen card holders will be permitted to enter the South (main) Stand, so if you buy a ticket for here you may not get in.

Update - Any match tickets currently offered to you whetrher on Ebay, by your Hotel or otherwise will be a forgery as they have not yet gone on sale. We will update the situation concerning match tickets in due course.

Top Attractions - What tourism there is in Macedonia's is mainly based at the lakeside town of Ohrid, shared with Albania see below. Sounds like "horrid" but its not. The lake is in fact a world heritage site. Tourism here was severely affected by Kosovo crisis (1998/99), and though it is in the south, continuing fighting in the north of the country acts as a deterrent for potential visitors. Most of the following are not the usual sort of things we list, we haven't gone all politically correct, it's just this is what there is to see apart from the inside of a bar or hotel room.

Update from the Komiti Forum boys - We forgot, the largest cross in the world, some 80 metres tall is situated on Mount Vodno. It looks down over Skopje and can be seen from 45km away.

Skopsko Kale - Fortress dominating the city, built from stone blocks from the ruins of the ancient city of Skupi, during the rule of the Romans. Within the grounds is a park, and the fortress gives a good view of the city and River Vardar.

The Old Railroad Station - Now a Museum since the earthquake, the clock in the preserved ruins of the old railway station remained frozen at 5:17 am, the moment that the predawn earthquake turned Skopje into landfill.

City museum of Skopje – at Mito Hadzivasilev-Jasmin. This is a permanent exhibition showing Skopje during the War of National Liberation.

Museum of Macedonia – at Carciska, near to the old Market area behind the Kursumli Han above. Open between 8am and 4pm each day.

Natural Sciences Museum of Macedonia - bul. Ilinden 86 – Typical exhibition of flora, fauna, Minerals, Macedonian Fishes, Amphibians and Reptiles, Birds of Macedonia, Mammals of Macedonia and more. This sounds one of the more interesting places to visit. Open from 9am – 6pm every day except Monday’s.

Old Skopje bazaar - On the left side of the river, is the ancient part of Skopje and the old Skopje bazaar. The bazaar has changed in recent years and is reputedly, like the old area of the city, more Moslem and ethnic Albanian than Macedonian. It is still home to many craftsmen of all kind and the nearby old market place still has a buzzing atmosphere coming from the stalls, coffee and tea rooms.

Museum of Skopje Old Bazaar - Dating from the 15th century, this is now home to the Fine Arts Museum. Open daily 9.30am-5pm, except Sunday’s 9.30am-1pm.

Daut-Pashin amam – North of the bridge, built in the fifteenth century, originally a harem, then a public Turkish bath, it's now an art gallery with a wide choice of Macedonian pictures, sculptures, graphics, and drawings. Update locals advise that you DO NOT visit this Mosque or take pictures of it as "they are muslim objects and there is big chance that you will get beaten up or robbed in this area."

Kursumli Han - A memorial for former Mula Musledin Hodza, this is a decorative building, an old Inn and stopping off point for traders during the Turkish era with walls and domes in shape of pyramids.

Nikita Monastery -Built in 1370 the painting’s in the church are the work of famous Macedonian woodcarvers "Mihailo" and "Eftihie".

The Aqueduct – a mile northwest of Skopje, comprising 55 arches supported on massive pillars is the Aqueduct, thought to date from the sixteenth century.

Isa – Bey’s mosque - located in the vicinity of Bitpazar, this differs from other mosques as it has two domes. Update locals advise that you DO NOT visit this Mosque or take pictures of it as "they are muslim objects and there is big chance that you will get beaten up or robbed in this area."


Other sights we haven’t mentioned include many more of the 3 M’s, Mosques, Monasteries and Museums. For further reading, and pictures of some of the sights above, click here.

Ohrid

Lake Ohrid - 115 miles south of Skopje) is a natural lake in the southwest corner of Macedonia, is the deepest lake in Europe at 290m (960ft), and one of the world's oldest. A third of its 450 sq km (175 sq mi) surface area belongs to Albania. Its nestled amid mountains altitude of 695m (2280ft) and they say, not surprisingly that, the Macedonian section of the lake is more beautiful than from the Albanian side. If you want another passport stamp, you can travel on the pretence (if you’re asked) to the Church of Sveti Naum on a hill above Lake Ohrid on the Albanian border.

Because of the lake, the town of Ohrid is the tourist trap of Macedonia, with, if you’re that way inclined over 30 cultural monuments' to see along with ruins from many eras.

Post Office - The Main Post Office is No.3 on the online map above and is open every day except Sunday's.

Shops - We really thought they'd be few and far between, but judging by the number of shopping centres, shows how much we know !. Opening hours are typically Monday’s – Friday’s 0800-1200 and 1700-2000/2100, but many shops open throughout day; Saturday's 0800-1500.

Bargaining is common in smaller shops and at the baazar in the old town.

The following is a list of shopping centre's:- City Mall, Kej 13 Noemvri; Bunjakovec, Bul. Partizanska; Karposh III, Bul. "Partizanska"; Kapistec, "Vasil Gorgov" st.; Beverly Hills, "Naroden Front" st.; and Mavrovka, Bul. "Goce Delcev".

The Weather in Skopje -

Water & Electricity – Update The water is reputedly perfectly drinkable, though it may still be sensible to carry Immodium around just in case. Electricity is 220V AC 50 Hz with two large round prongs and should work with a standard adaptor.

Radio, TV & Mobile’s - There are around 11 television channels, and numerous radio sataions all broadcasting programmes in the Macedonian, Bosniac, Albanian, Turkish, Serbian, Romany and Wallachian (whatever that is) languages. Sadly nothing in English and from what we can find, and no mention of any satellite channels.

For something in English, follow the link for BBC World Service frequencies.

Making international calls from Macedonia can be difficult as the lines to Europe run through Belgrade, Sarajevo or Zagreb and are either severed or greatly overloaded, hence the increased use of mobile’s which use the GSM system. This is usually provided by "MobiMak", and coverage is generally good in most urban areas, except in the centre of the country around Brod and Krusevo.

Do’s and Don'ts – Macedonians are reputedly friendly people, but not as outgoing as their Balkan neighbours. They are not geared up for western style efficiency so expect to be patient as punctuality is not practised

Since independence there has at times been some hostility towards foreigners, particularly anyone thought to be pro-Greek. This worsened when the EU, NATO and peace keeping force attempted to solve the problems between the Macedonian government and the ethnic Albanian guerrillas. Update avoid political discussions of any sort as "most of the macedonians are anti-eu, anti-nato, and especially anti-usa." If stopped by the Police and you’re asked for your Passport, hang onto it and offer to go to a Police Station as there are many stories of bribes being asked for to get it back when on the street.

Update As already stated, heed the warning concerning the area around the Cair Stadium, venue for the U21's. Macedonia, is a very nationalistic country and things such as hanging flags in bar windows are likely to result in some sort of disorder.

Although more than 70% of Macedonian citizens are orthodox christians, with others muslimans, "most of the people in Republic of Macedonia don't like english, american or people from other western / EU member countries because of the assistance our Governments have given, in particularly to Albanians."

That said, however, "nobody should bother us if we come across as being nice and friendly, but rowdiness will lead to trouble and if you guys decide to cause trouble then its another matter."

Update The area called "Chair", is full of Albanians and it is highly likely a confrontation or theft of some sort will occur.

Security - The situation in Macedonia remains a bit unstable despite the ceasefire of 2001. The only areas to avoid are in the north and west of the country, where fighting has been intense and Government forces and ethnic Albanian guerrillas have armed checkpoints. Parts of this region are also reported to be mined.

In Skopje, street and other crimes are quite a serious problem. As in South Africa any sign of affluence makes you a potential target. It's widely reported that local ownership of firearms is high, so don’t pick a fight with them.

For up to date information check out the British Embassy in Skopje

Police 92, Fire 93, Ambulance 94

The British Embassy is at 26/4 Dimitrija Chupovski, Skopje 1000,
Tel: (2) 116 772 or Fax: (2) 117 555

Know Before You Go - Travel Advice from the Foreign & Commonwealth Office, London On The Day - Thanks to Mark Raven, Brighton for providing the following from the Foreign & Commonwealth Office Website. Whilst you may have already seen it, we too have been able to verify most of what is stated, in the knowledge that both the Consular Officials and British Peacekeeping Troops have had to refuse their allocation of tickets from the Macedonian FA.

It is said that admission will only be possible to Macedonian Identity card holders. The identity card scheme was introduced at the end of the troubles, principally to stop Albanians from sponging benefits off the Macedonian state.

Of course it may be different on the day, but we also gather that another reason for our allocation being refused was the lack of any toilet facilities in the stand in which we were supposed to be seated, and no guarantees could be offered concerning their building !. Strange that as for years away fans at Plough Lane had to use a Portakabin !!.

This is an extract from the Foreign & Commonwealth Website - FCO.GOV.UK MACEDONIA v ENGLAND: EURO 2004 QUALIFIER: 6 SEPTEMBER 2003 - We understand that the FA has not taken up its allocation of tickets for this match. The FA has made clear that any England fan who gains, or attempts to gain, access to the stadium risks being banned for life from obtaining tickets from the FA.

An English police team will be in Macedonia to provide advice and assistance to the local authorities and to gather evidence against any England fan involved in violence or disorder.

Evidence of misbehaviour overseas can and will be used in banning court order proceedings. Evidence gathered in Slovakia earlier this year has been used to obtain banning orders preventing attendance at domestic matches and travel to matches overseas for a period of three years.

Anyone who decides to travel to Macedonia for the match without a ticket will only be able to gain access to the stadium via black market or forged tickets. This could be a dangerous move, in view of for example a lack of segregation of fans during the game. The Macedonian authorities have stated that any fans who travel to the match and misbehave can expect to be dealt with in the firmest possible manner.

In addition, anyone considering such a course of action is advised that ID and other security checks will be in place to identify those in possession of forged tickets or those obtained on the black market. Those found to be in possession of such tickets will be denied access into the stadium.

The FCO will liaise closely with the FA, the English and the Macedonian Police who will be working to identify anyone who gains, or attempts to gain, access to the stadium in this way.

Such individuals risk being banned for life by the FA from attending future England matches. Those contemplating traveling to Macedonia for this event should also be aware that our understanding is that there will be no provision of "big screen" facilities at locations outside the stadium to view the game. We therefore strongly urge any England supporters who might be considering traveling to Macedonia for this football game not to do so.

We always need feedback from you the fans.

Have we forgotten anything ?

Been to a venue before, if so, know a good Hotel or Bar ?.

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Nice pics, thanks for this Naum.

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Yep we should thanks the EnglishFans!

anyway the game ended like this
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btw if someone can help me with this then i might be able to put the whole game on here for download https://www.xtratime.org/forum/showth...wpost&t=161088
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Soon its time again Zlit and Jumbo and Potter will you be ther again???
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Great to see English fans having a good time in Macedonia. I hope they will come again and have a fun time. I also hope we dont see some of our fans acting like idiots, and no fights. So, when we go there we get the same respect that hopefully they will get in Macedonia. As well they could be back in the summer to visit Ohrid. So, money in our economy.
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Soon its time again Zlit and Jumbo and Potter will you be ther again???
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So, money in our economy.
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As I said I will do my best do be there. Its 6 months from now, and you never know what will happen. But, if most people come we can have an xtratime reunion.
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Dejen will you be bothe in Skopje and London for the games?? games are prity close to each other !!!!

I can only make London,,, To expensive for me for bothe games,, I will be in Macedonia to the end of August but i cant stay until middel of September...
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epa daj kazete dali nekoj ke doaga vo skopje, za da se zemat karti na vreme, minatiot pat otiodoa ko alva za 2 sati. no sepak ima dosta vreme do togas.

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Naum from your link I went to read what English fans said about Macedonia and most of it is positive. Here is the best part.
Shame on the FA for denying many other England fans the opportunity of visiting such a beautiful country as Macedonia and denying them the chance to meet such wonderful people that we met along the way....

Naum I am not sure yet if I will be in Macedonia for the game. I am 50-50 at this point. For London I am 99.9-0.01 LOL.

Zlit ubava ideja imas. Neznam sto da ti kasam licno.
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Proshliot pat mu besha zabranato na anglicanite da vlezat na gratski ali sepak uspee nekoj... Ovaj pat ke bidat vo daleku pogolem broj,,, edno 4.000-5.000 garantirano ke ima,, toa mu e standardna brojka na anglicanite na gostuvanje...

Ke vrie Skopje 2-3 dena od anglicani,,, ma i Ohrid isto-))) samo dene se stepat so Holandzanite vo Ohrid-))) ke tece pivo pokraj rekata Vardar od ovie englezi,, pa sigurni za sat-dva povtorno ke gi prdadat kartite...

A ti Zlit Lav,,, dodeka MGP ke igra vo evropa jas ke dojdam vo Skopje za ta utakmica,, site utakmici gi gledam vo toj period od godinata,, pa da se vidime site,, i harry i jumbo pa eve vie so dejan vo skopje pa ja vo anglija so nego-)))


Dejan,, super sto pisuva taka,, sega ke dojdat vo pogolem broj ja ke im odam vratam na vembli :frustrat:
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Dejan,, super sto pisuva taka,, sega ke dojdat vo pogolem broj ja ke im odam vratam na vembli :frustrat: [/QUOTE]

Naum losi vest nema da se igra na vembli. Steta, i jas sakav na toj teren da gledam fudbal. Na a1 pisuva deka vo Mancester ke se igra.
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i koncertite na rolling stones i bon jovi nema da se odrzat tamu, imale problemi pri izgradbata i ke bide prolingirano konecnoto pustanje na wembli

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Dejan,, super sto pisuva taka,, sega ke dojdat vo pogolem broj ja ke im odam vratam na vembli :frustrat:
Naum losi vest nema da se igra na vembli. Steta, i jas sakav na toj teren da gledam fudbal. Na a1 pisuva deka vo Mancester ke se igra.
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Steta,, i ja sega citav deka bavno odele rabotive so vembli,, zdravje...

Abe stadionite vo mancester ne se za potcenuvanje ke bide interesno i tamu

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