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post #2 of 9 (permalink) Old May 10th, 2014, 17:23
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This what you get when you put idiots in charge of committee.

They want to add a B teams between league 2 and Conference league were the football quality is shite so its not going to improve football, all the teams in shite teams in league 2 and conference can't compete with teams in premiership and even in the championship so you could have B's dominating the league, shite teams who finish 15th get promoted to league 2.

The problem England and Scotland is there are not enough qualified coaches and scouts because it costs too much money and takes too much time. Every coach and who wants to run a amature or semi-pro team should be entitled to free professional coaching. And there should be a a qualified coaches in every secondary school who works with the FA to as a coach.

There also needs to be a Network setup for coaches and scouts.
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Absolutely terrible idea. Hugely disrespectful from the FA to any Football League club, and any Conference club. The financial implications of dropping out of the football league can be huge. Just look at Chester and Stockport County. To add another level between League Two and the Conference could cripple some professional and semi-professional non-league clubs. Also plenty of teams have come up from the conference and flourished; teams you would never consider to have ever been likely to make the league, such as Fleetwood. There are already too few promotion places from the conference (two), it should be four for me. Originally there was no automatic promotion for non-league sides, with re-election being the cost of finished 92nd in the football league. Since the introduction of promotion and relegation there have been some really interesting stories, and the gap between League and Non-League football seems non-existent. There are some big clubs either in the Conference or recently having played there, such as York, Oxford, Stockport, Luton and Exeter. When I look at League and Non-League there really isn't a clear line anymore. If anything the Conference and Conference North and South should be absorbed into the Football League. Maybe then would B teams be an option, if below League One there was a League Two North and South and a League Three North and South, but this current proposal is too much punishment for established, community based clubs who draw thousands of fans and have been going for more than a century at the expense of the richest few.

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Utter ****ing bollocks.
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In fairness, the system is already evolving this way anyway. Currently the cash divide is so great that a big club (like Liverpool, 12th largest in the world) can hoover up all the best young talent and then loan it out to whatever team they see fit.

This season Chelsea have 20+ players on loan (including in the PL), Liverpool too have a large number of players on loan. What you are also seeing is more than one player going on loan to the same club and agreements being reached over playing time etc. This is fundamentally different to how it was before, when loaning a player was tantamount to selling them. That still happens, but more and more players are going on loan to get used to the rough and tumble of PL and Championship since academy football lacks that aggressive, physical edge, being largely comprised of young, technically gifted players.

So, my point is that the loan system was already effectively going down the route of diluting the football league system, but nobody cared because there was the chance of getting a young, PL quality player on the cheap. But the next stage in that process was for the big clubs to pick a few teams across the divisions and overload them with groups of talent, 3 to 4 players, before making them effectively football league academies over time.

The B league system is practically in operation as it is, all that differs is that the loanees have yet to be grouped into teams. A B team system would just formalize an ongoing process.
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Absolutely terrible idea. Hugely disrespectful from the FA to any Football League club, and any Conference club. The financial implications of dropping out of the football league can be huge. Just look at Chester and Stockport County. To add another level between League Two and the Conference could cripple some professional and semi-professional non-league clubs. Also plenty of teams have come up from the conference and flourished; teams you would never consider to have ever been likely to make the league, such as Fleetwood. There are already too few promotion places from the conference (two), it should be four for me. Originally there was no automatic promotion for non-league sides, with re-election being the cost of finished 92nd in the football league. Since the introduction of promotion and relegation there have been some really interesting stories, and the gap between League and Non-League football seems non-existent. There are some big clubs either in the Conference or recently having played there, such as York, Oxford, Stockport, Luton and Exeter. When I look at League and Non-League there really isn't a clear line anymore. If anything the Conference and Conference North and South should be absorbed into the Football League. Maybe then would B teams be an option, if below League One there was a League Two North and South and a League Three North and South, but this current proposal is too much punishment for established, community based clubs who draw thousands of fans and have been going for more than a century at the expense of the richest few.
There's an interesting Arsenal writer called Alex Fynn. Guy basically is one of the godfathers of the Premier League. He worked at one of the world's top branding agency and he was on the panel that advised the FA on what to do for a competitive top flight (initially to aid the national team).

Their original idea was to have the Premier League, Division 1 and then like you have to divide the clubs North and South from Division 2 downward. Their reason for that was to generate more gate receipts, because there would be more local derbies between teams. Palace and Millwall in the same division for example, probably get higher gate receipts than Palace/Rochdale.

That was their idea to combat the TV money the top sides would be getting. They always miss the elephant in the room when talking about league structures. It's the power the big clubs hold. It happened in the 80's and 90's with the 'big five' of Liverpool, United, Arsenal, Spurs and Everton. Until the Premier League, those sides were constantly cashing in.

Unfortunately the Premier League went the other way and made some of those clubs way stronger than the rest of the pack. La Liga has the same problem, as does SPL. Don't know what the answer is to producing better players for England, but sure as hell isn't the introduction of a B league. They've already got the U21 league which is full of foreign lads, so what's the point of ANOTHER reserve league to throw the English lads in?

If they're really interested in doing something from the ground up, maybe limit the amount of foreign players below U21 or U19 a club can transfer for it's reserve/youth academies. Arsenal released a ton of youth players last summer most of whom were from clubs abroad! I think if there was a quota say 3 or 4 foreign players for the U21 squad, might have a better chance of giving homegrown youngsters a chance. Failing that, I think England have caught on to the naturalisation thing that France and Germany do so well. Few talents coming through like Berahino.

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There's an interesting Arsenal writer called Alex Fynn. Guy basically is one of the godfathers of the Premier League. He worked at one of the world's top branding agency and he was on the panel that advised the FA on what to do for a competitive top flight (initially to aid the national team).

Their original idea was to have the Premier League, Division 1 and then like you have to divide the clubs North and South from Division 2 downward. Their reason for that was to generate more gate receipts, because there would be more local derbies between teams. Palace and Millwall in the same division for example, probably get higher gate receipts than Palace/Rochdale.

That was their idea to combat the TV money the top sides would be getting. They always miss the elephant in the room when talking about league structures. It's the power the big clubs hold. It happened in the 80's and 90's with the 'big five' of Liverpool, United, Arsenal, Spurs and Everton. Until the Premier League, those sides were constantly cashing in.

Unfortunately the Premier League went the other way and made some of those clubs way stronger than the rest of the pack. La Liga has the same problem, as does SPL. Don't know what the answer is to producing better players for England, but sure as hell isn't the introduction of a B league. They've already got the U21 league which is full of foreign lads, so what's the point of ANOTHER reserve league to throw the English lads in?

If they're really interested in doing something from the ground up, maybe limit the amount of foreign players below U21 or U19 a club can transfer for it's reserve/youth academies. Arsenal released a ton of youth players last summer most of whom were from clubs abroad! I think if there was a quota say 3 or 4 foreign players for the U21 squad, might have a better chance of giving homegrown youngsters a chance. Failing that, I think England have caught on to the naturalisation thing that France and Germany do so well. Few talents coming through like Berahino.
Thats actually a great proposal
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Agreed. The number of clubs going to the wall, I'm sure travelling expenses are a big factor.

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Definitely, there's a lot to be said for the regional structure. They should be looking at that, guarantee fans would be more willing to travel an hour away than 8 hours to the North East on a train. Home fans would probably want to turn up more as well.

Still think at youth team level transfers from abroad should be restricted. Especially at the big clubs.

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