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What to do with Brane?

I mean I expected more of him. But the longer he's in charge the less confidence I have in him.:undecide: His results are poor,I mean we only reached our first victory in two years last week, now this lost to IC. OK this result stands out becouse our team was basically our B, but still. What has he done so far? To me he has failled to establish a core of the team, sure he has many problems, but that shouldn't be an excuse. Too many time's he's playing the guys out of their position. He's using far to many players which he than only uses in one or two matches instead. In two years in charge he still hasn't found the players on which he can count. Really, where is all this leading to? The Euro 2008 qualifiers are almost here and it looks like he still doesn't have a clue as towhat to do or how to do it.

Is it the time for him to go?

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Well, I agree it started to be a little bit worrying. My main objection against him is that way too many players play out of position in his team. That really should not happen.

About changing him, I don't think so. The qualifiers are already here and putting new man in charge, I don't think it would give him enough time to fix the team. I am not worried by our loss against Ivory Coast, because the game was very badly scheduled and we indeed played with our B team. But against T&T we looked solid, so I don't believe there is a reason to change Brane (at least not now, if we wanted to change him, we should have done it right after WC2006 qualifiers).

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Alternatives....maybe a foreign coach...but 1st we have 2 change our NZS...damn...
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Alternatives....maybe a foreign coach...but 1st we have 2 change our NZS...damn...
Forget it. Good foreign coaches cost much more money than our FA is willing to spend...

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Well, I agree it started to be a little bit worrying. My main objection against him is that way too many players play out of position in his team. That really should not happen.
That, and like I said, the very number of players he tried out is just too big. I belive the number is about 40. Way too many. I mean every other game there are new faces. This way how can a team get to know eachother and tune in?

The way I see it there's no concept now, players don't know what are their duties in the team. Forinstance, under Srečko, everybody knew what to do, at any time, even us fans knew exactly what to expect at any time. If someone was missing there was another player that steped up and did what was there to do. Now noone knows, and I'm affraid not even Brane.


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About changing him, I don't think so. The qualifiers are already here and putting new man in charge, I don't think it would give him enough time to fix the team. I am not worried by our loss against Ivory Coast, because the game was very badly scheduled and we indeed played with our B team. But against T&T we looked solid, so I don't believe there is a reason to change Brane (at least not now, if we wanted to change him, we should have done it right after WC2006 qualifiers).
With that I agree. My question was more in a way if you agree that it would be best if he was replaced. The timing is not right though.


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Besides, what are the alternatives? Prale?
For fuks sake no! Eventhough I must admit he had better results than Brane and still he had to go, I'd never want that prickback in the NT.

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Alternatives....maybe a foreign coach...but 1st we have 2 change our NZS...damn...
If we were to find a good foreign coach, someone established, than yes, I'm all for it. Like OAnimal said though that would cost a lot and I'm affraid our FA can't afford that.

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This is from Ekipa and I belive it sums it all up nicley.

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Selektor Branko Oblak po tekmah s Trinidadom in Tobagom (3:1) in Slonokoščeno obalo (0:3)

Dve tekmi, ena ali dve zgodbi

"Želeli smo preizkusiti igralce, ki so bili doslej poškodovani, in v tem smo uspeli. Tekmo smo pošteno odigrali in toliko, kolikor znamo, nasprotnik je bil premočan. Sicer je bilo to jasno, še preden smo šli na pot, vendar sem vseeno vztrajal pri tem, da igramo s Slonokoščeno obalo, saj sem pred začetkom naslednjih kvalifikacij potreboval odgovor na vprašanje, na katere igralce lahko računamo. Zdaj natančno vemo, koliko je ura," so bile prve besede Branka Oblaka po nedeljski tekmi v Evryju, kjer je Slovenija gladko izgubila z udeleženko svetovnega prvenstva, a je tokrat bolj kot izid, s katerim smo bili glede na razmerje moči lahko celo zadovoljni, bodla v oči nemoč in še marsikaj drugega - ali so takšne tekme res lahko koristne in kakšen smisel ima takšno poigravanje z ugledom slovenskega reprezentančnega nogometa. Veljalo bi ga negovati, kolikor ga je še ostalo.

Toda Oblak je vztrajal, da je bila tekma koristna. Kakšna odkritja je torej prinesla pariška avantura, na katere igralce lahko opozori naš selektor? "Pri nas je tako, da moramo računati na vse igralce. Pravzaprav smo lahko kompletni tudi takrat, ko manjka pol ekipe. Ni bistvene razlike, če pet ali šest igralcev zamenjamo z drugimi. Mogoče bi tokrat nekoliko bolj potrebovali Mateja Mavriča v zadnji vrsti, a tudi z njim ne bi bilo velike razlike. Tudi Nastja Čeh bi bil na tej tekmi verjetno precej neviden, vendar njega potrebujemo zaradi prostih strelov."

Toda takšna zasedba verjetno nikdar več ne bo igrala skupaj, težko je na podlagi tega graditi optimizem za jesenski začetek kvalifikacij za Euro 2008. "Če bo Slonokoščena obala postala svetovni prvak, jo boste drugače cenili. Mislim, da ima izjemne igralce, zaslužili so to, kar so pokazali proti nam."

To pa je bilo tudi vse, kar je Oblak povedal v eter takoj po tekmi (selektor slonov Francoz Michel Henri je bil za slovenske medije nedostopen). Včeraj so bile misli že bolj zbrane, na druženju s številnimi uglednimi predstavniki slovenskega nogometa, funkcionarji, trenerji in igralci ter gospodarstveniki je Oblak v celoti združil obe zgodbi prejšnjega tedna - Trinidad in Tobago ter Slonokoščeno obalo. "V nekaj dneh smo odigrali dokaj težki tekmi. V prvi s Trinidadom in Tobagom smo bili dokaj uspešni, nasprotnik je bil po meri, za Slonokoščeno obalo pa velja ravno nasprotno. Preizkusili smo tri igralce, ki so imeli polomljene noge, to so Cipot, Ačimovič in Semler, ki so kar uspešno igrali. Končni izid je sicer resda visok, vendar bi bilo lahko podobno, tudi če bi nastopili kompletni. Nasprotnik je tako kvaliteten, da bo na svetovnem prvenstvu gotovo prišel med deset, če ne višje." V skupini z Argentino, Nizozemsko ter Srbijo in Črno goro, če kdo ne ve.

Oblak razmišljanj torej bistveno ni spremenil, voditelja druženja je zanimalo še selektorjevo mnenje o Novakoviču in Semlerju. "Menim, da morajo biti majhni igralci 'žleht' in hitri. Semler to je. Novakovič je bil po izvrstni predstavi, ki jo je pokazal proti Trinidadu in Tobagu, tokrat znova neviden. To pa zato, ker je bil takšen sistem igre in je bil sam v konici napada," je povedal Oblak.

Niti popolnemu laiku verjetno ni treba posebej razlagati, da mora biti nekaj narobe, če hkrati staviš na Semlerja, Ačimoviča, Birso, Lavriča in Novakoviča (tudi Cipot je bil nekoč "po poklicu" napadalec), izpade pa, da igraš z enim igralcem v konici napada.

Udarna zasedba ostaja tabu tema
Po toči zvoniti je prepozno, toda v prihodnje nam takšnih avantur ni treba izzivati. Jokanje in stokanje, kako reprezentanci ni šel na roko razplet domačega prvenstva in kako bi morala biti reprezentanca daleč nad klubi, gotovo prav nič ne pomaga. Ob tem ne moremo mimo posmehovanj s strani nekaterih iz strokovnega vodstva naše reprezentance, ko smo ob objavi reprezentančnega seznama zgolj pripomnili, da vsaj šest igralcev ne bo potovalo v Pariz, ne da bi mislili na to, kako bodo vsi trije "Norvežani" selektorju na voljo le na prvi tekmi s Trinidadom in Tobagom. S približevanjem akcije se je sicer začela omenjati celo številka osem, toda naštejmo dejstva: najprej sta iz zdravstvenih razlogov odpadla Dalibor Stevanovič in Zlatan Ljubijankič, po prvi tekmi še Nastja Čeh, za peterico igralcev iz Gorice in Domžal pa bi bilo tako ali tako bolje, da jih utrujene na vrat na nos ne bi s posebnimi letali ponoči vozili po evropskem nebu (pa čeprav so potovali nazaj v poslovnem razredu). Mogoče so bili še najbolj pametni tisti, ki so sodelovanje odpovedali že prej, pa čeprav uradno zaradi zdravstvenih razlogov. Spomnimo se, Oblak je med odsotnimi že takoj na začetku omenil Aleksandra Knavsa, Boštjana Cesarja, Aleksandra Rodića, Andrej Pečnika, nato je zgodbo kar nenadoma znova začel vrteti okoli Sebastjana Cimerotiča. Zanj se res ne ve, ali Oblak v kvalifikacijah lahko računa tudi nanj, čeprav dvomimo, da je trenutno slabše pripravljen od marsikoga iz trenutnega izbora. Res pa je, da je zdaj konkurenca daleč najmočnejša ravno v napadu. Cimerotiča torej lahko uvrstimo zgolj med tiste, na katere selektor trenutno ne računa, ne pa med tiste, na katere ne more računati.

Skratka, v petih dneh je slovenska reprezentanca proti dvema udeleženkama SP dosegla povsem različna rezultata, toda s slovenske plati se celjska in pariška zgodba zgolj zaradi nedvomno različne moči tekmecev še ne moreta razlikovati. Oblak je v manj kot dveh letih preizkusil že več kot 40 igralcev, a izraz udarna zasedba v naši izbrani vrsti vse bolj postaja tabu tema.

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Sure Pinni would be an interesting choice, but he's Gorica bound for another year now.

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Everyone that should even be considered to be in charge of a senior NT, should first spend some time coaching some junior NT, IMHO. Which rules Pinni out. Sure, he is a good club coach, but coaching a club is as close to coaching a national team as
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I really dont know what Oblak see in Semler? booo

And he had 40 players in two years...what re we..Brasil maybe, 2 change such a big number of players in our NT??
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Everyone that should even be considered to be in charge of a senior NT, should first spend some time coaching some junior NT, IMHO. Which rules Pinni out. Sure, he is a good club coach, but coaching a club is as close to coaching a national team as
driving a car is to driving a 20 ton truck.
Why man? I mean look at Srečko, all he did before he took over our NT was that he lead Gorica for some six months - even that not all that succesfull. I understand what you mean, but don't agree with it.

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Has anybody seen last night's Športna scena on Pop TV? Brane had an interview and once again he was pathetic. All sweatin when speaking of our team and chances. Between the lines you could sense how he thinks we have no chance in Sofija or in the qualifiers in general. He was speaking ofour sport in general as well, saying how we all overastimate it and that it actually sucks. I couldn't belive the words coming out of the mouth of our selektor. Disgracefull really. How can a man like this be in charge of our NT?

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Osim isn't going anywhere, he is the manager of Japan and I'm pretty sure his pay is really good
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Osim, yes, but he just became the coach of Japan, plus like HS said,we couldn't afford him.

Milutinovič, hell no!


From Slovenija, maybe Pušnik one day, or Pinni. Maybe though, it would really be the time to look abroad. But not in the once brotherly region, elsewhere.

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All I can say is: "In Brane I trust!"


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Osim, yes, but he just became the coach of Japan, plus like HS said,we couldn't afford him.

Milutinovič, hell no!


From Slovenija, maybe Pušnik one day, or Pinni. Maybe though, it would really be the time to look abroad. But not in the once brotherly region, elsewhere.
I would like to see Hiddink or Spalletti p But it's only a dream i don't think we could get someone from Europe, maybe from former Yugoslavia nothing more:rollani:
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Please could you all stop with this foreign coach nonsense. We are not going to have a foreign coach, period. You can't get a quality foreign coach for peanuts and we have enough of average coaches in Slovenia already. We also have a great coach in Slovenia too, but we chased him away to Macedonia...

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