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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old March 5th, 2004, 06:33 Thread Starter
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Pele's list

Pele published his list of 100 all time best players of the world, which includes 125 players! He did that in cooperation with FIFA. OK I admit Pele is a legend, probably really the best of all times, but what gives him the right to make lists like that and publish them, who the fak the guy thinks he is? Besides some of the names on the list are ridicolous and some are missing. To me Pele is a classical case of the guy that glory and fame got the better of!:thumbdwn:

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Na Pelejevi listi stotih najboljših vseh časov kar 125 imen

Brazilec Pele, ki ga mnogi smatrajo za najboljšega nogometaša vseh časov, je v sodelovanju s FIFA objavil svoj seznam "stotih" najboljših nogometašev v vsej zgodovini (seveda po njegovem subjektivnem mnenju). Zanimivo je, da je Pele na ta seznam uvrstil kar 125 (!?) imen… Slovencev na seznamu ni, od nekdanjih "bratov" pa je na seznam uspelo priti le Hrvatu Davorju Šukerju. Na seznamu sta, zanimivo, tudi dve ženski - obe prihajata iz ZDA. Celoten Pelejev seznam izgleda takole:

ARGENTINA: Alfredo Di Stefano, Daniel Passarella, Diego Maradona, Gabriel Batistuta, Hernan Crespo, Javier Saviola, Javier Zanetti, Juan Sebastian Veron, Mario Kempes, Omar Sivori; BELGIJA: Franky van der Elst, Jean-Marie Pfaff, Jan Cuelemens; BRAZILIJA: Cafu, Carlos Alberto, Djalma, Santos, Falcao, Milton, Santos, Junior, Pele, Rivaldo, Rivelino, Roberto Carlos, Romario, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Socrates, Zico;
BOLGARIJA: Hristo Stoichkov; KAMERUN: Roger Milla;
ČILE: Pablo Figueroa, Ivan Zamorano;
KOLUMBIJA: Carlos Valderrama;
HRVAŠKA: Davor Šuker;
ČEŠKA: Josef Masopust, Pavel Nedved;
DANSKA: Brian Laudrup, Michael Laudrup, Peter Schmeichel; ANGLIJA: Alan Shearer, Bobby Charlton, David Beckham, Gary Linekar, Gordon Banks, Kevin Keegan, Michael Owen;
FRANCIJA: David Trezeguet, Didier Deschamps, Eric Cantona, Jean-Pierre Papin, Just Fontaine, Lilian Thuram, Marcel Desailly, Marius Tresor, Michel Platini, Patrick Vieira, Raymond Kopa, Robert Pires, Thierry Henry, Zinedine Zidane;
NEMČIJA: Franz Beckenbauer, Gerd Mueller, Jurgen Klinsmann, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, Lothar Matthaus, Michael Ballack, Oliver Kahn, Paul Breitner, Sepp Maier, Uwe Seeler;
GANA: Abedi Pele;
MADŽARSKA: Ferenc Puškaš;
IRSKA: Roy Keane;
ITALIJA: Alessandro Del Piero, Alessandro Nesta, Christian Vieri, Dino Zoff, Francesco Totti, Franco Baresi, Giampiero Boniperti, Giacinto Fachetti, Gianluca Buffon, Gianni Rivera, Giuseppe Bergomi, Paolo Rossi, Paolo Maldini, Roberto Baggio;
JAPONSKA: Hidetoshi Nakata;
LIBERIJA: George Weah;
MEHIKA: Hugo Sanchez;
NIZOZEMSKA: Clarence Seedorf, Dennis Bergkamp, Edgar Davids, Frank Rijkaard, Johan Neeskens, Johan Cruyff, Marco Van Basten, Patrick Kluivert,Rene van de Kerkhof, Rob Rensenbrink, Ruud Gullit, Ruud van Nistelrooy, Willie van de Kerkhof;
NIGERIJA: Jay-Jay Okocha;
SEVERNA IRSKA: George Best;
PARAGVAJ: Romerito;
PERU: Teofilo Cubillas;
POLJSKA: Zbigniew Boniek;
PORTUGALSKA: Eusebio, Luis Figo, Rui Costa;
ROMUNIJA: Gheorghe Hagi;
RUSIJA: Rinat Disayev;
ŠKOTSKA: Kenny Dalglish;
SENEGAL: El Hadji Diouf;
JUŽNA KOREJA: Hong Myung-Bo;
ŠPANIJA: Emilio Butragueno, Luis Enrique, Raul;
TURČIJA: Emre Belozoglu, Rustu Recber;
UKRAJINA: Andriy Shevchenko;
URUGVAJ: Enzo Francescoli;
ZDA (ženske): Michelle Akers, Mia Hamm.

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If I am not mistaken, he was asked by FIFA to make such a list. There is a debate in Brazilian forum, if you read it that would make some things clear. I agree that some names from his list are strange, but try to compile a list of 100 best players yourself and you'll see that some of that names would sound ridiculous to some people.

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BTW, and if Pele is not entitled to make such a list, then frankly I don't know who is.

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OK if he was asked, my bad. Still it sounds ridiculous to even make shuch lists, very ungratefull work, and of course the outcome is always very subjective. I wonder who will FIFA ask next to make them shuch a list.

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What a crap list . . . No Zahovič
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What a crap list . . . No Zahovič
Yeah. And no Harry Kewell...

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Yeah. And no Harry Kewell...
What a nasty joke :depress: God I hate Harry Kewell :fero: :fero:
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(seveda po njegovem subjektivnem mnenju).
That and there are supposed to be only living players on the list, hence the omission of some great ones.
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BTW, and if Pele is not entitled to make such a list, then frankly I don't know who is.
I didn't say he isn't entitled to make is, anyone has the right to make it. I said it's crap! And the fact that it comes from the greatest makes it an even greater crap to me.
And that one with only the loving players is absurd. What the players that died allready weren't good?

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I didn't say he isn't entitled to make is, anyone has the right to make it. I said it's crap! And the fact that it comes from the greatest makes it an even greater crap to me.
And that one with only the loving players is absurd. What the players that died allready weren't good?

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You meant living (not loving) players, right?
I understand your point, but I think Pele is not the one to blame here. If I am not mistaken, he had to chose players from a bigger list that was already prepared from FIFA. FIFA morons are the only ones guilty in this case, IMHO.

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FIFA are always faking things up ey
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You meant living (not loving) players, right?
I understand your point, but I think Pele is not the one to blame here. If I am not mistaken, he had to chose players from a bigger list that was already prepared from FIFA. FIFA morons are the only ones guilty in this case, IMHO.
Living yes!

Well in that case than I blame him for even geting involved in this .

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You know what is really ridiculous? If you look at this news in TV Slovenia teletext, it is said that the list is "(zal) brez Slovencev".

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"(zal) brez Slovencev".
But it is without Slovenes, isnt it
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But it is without Slovenes, isnt it
Yes, it is, but they seem to be implying that there should be some.

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Yes, it is, but they seem to be implying that there should be some.
I would agree with them
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Oof, at least Ceulemans and Van Der Elst are in there.

But you obviously have to start picking. These lists are always a bit of kill your darlings, I guess. I mean, Pfaff being in there is only normal, but Preud'homme wasn't the least bit less than him and he's not. So should ZZ be in there? Maybe, but then you'll have to take out someone else who deserves his place just as well.

Besides, in 5 years Pele'll make a new list and that one'll feature Nastja Ceh.
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Besides, in 5 years Pele'll make a new list and that one'll feature Nastja Ceh.
Lets hope he isn't so stupid as too leave Ceh out again
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Guys, please let's be realistic here, Nastja has a very very long way to go to come even close any serious list like this. By his achievements so far, he is not even close to Zahovic, let alone the top 100 of the world ever.

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You are spot on OAnimal! If we do look at who of the Slovenian players would deserve the most to get on shuch list I'd say Oblak. Of all our succesfull players I belive he was the most influencial player on any team he was.

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